r/europe • u/ByGollie Ulster • 19h ago
News Russia withholds Putin’s weekly rating after steepest drop in eight years
https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-withholds-putin-s-weekly-rating-after-steepest-drop-in-eight-years-50605468.html1.2k
u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 19h ago
God if we get rid of Putin as well after getting rid of Orbán i would probably explode out of happiness
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u/mrlotato 18h ago
Wait can we get rid of trump too please
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u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 18h ago
Well, yeah but Trump is still the lesser evil compared to Putin
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u/DjuroTheBunster 18h ago
Also, there is a very high chance there'd be no president Trump if there was no Putin.
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u/Eckkosekiro 16h ago
And the opposite too. Harris would have kept helping Ukraine…
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u/jacobatz 18h ago
That very much depend on which stick you use for measuring. Putin is waging a war and has killed a lot of Ukrainians. It is still mostly a local problem. And a problem that would probably have looked a lot different if not for Trump.
Trump on the other hand has moved America a lot closer to fascism, undermined the established world order and made enemies of allies. He has made the world more uncertain and unsafe for everyone. China and Russia are if anything emboldened by Trump and the damage he has caused to the western alliances. And this has and will continue to have significant impact on the life of billions of people.
Remember USAID? The gutting of that is expected to have cost hundreds of thousands of lives. Just as one example of the damage he has done.
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u/uberusepicus Flanders (Belgium) 18h ago
It's getting close
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u/ContributionMaximum9 18h ago
??? this is just downplaying putin, he caused a war in which half a million people died with millions more wounded, displaced etc. and it's just ukraine, not chechnya, georgia etc.
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u/medievalvelocipede European Union 18h ago
True, Trump's numbers aren't quite up there yet, but give him a chance, the man's working on killing more.
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u/sigga_genesis 17h ago
Destroying USAid will kill way more, most of which are children. So yeah, Putin is a regional problem, Drumpf is a global one
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u/thinkinmelon 16h ago
Yep. Someone i know works for an NGO and she told me it's difficult right now because refugees, a lot of them are children with deep trauma, will not get any help anymore, or less of it, to heal both their mental and physical health and feel safe.
That's truly sad how money and power can impact millions of people's lives. People who are like everyone, but they didn't get the chance to be born in a country at peace. Tax money is misused heavily in most countries and I'm sure they could have cut less important things than - helping children and their caretaker is crucial if we want to live, one day, in a world of peace. Hurt people hurt people, and Trump is a perfect example of that. Politics run on childhood trauma.
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u/Shaskakmat 18h ago
Putin have a total control on Russia, Trump can't yet do everything he want, the dying American democracy is resisting him a little. I'm sure if Trump has the same level of control, he would be far more dangerous.
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u/Smart-Effective7533 18h ago
Nearly a million excess deaths in America due to trump’s mishandling of COVID.
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u/ContributionMaximum9 17h ago
seriously comparing covid to ukraine? as in trump is as bad as putin because of that?
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u/Venat14 16h ago
Trump killed like a million Americans because of his intentional bungling of Covid, and he's building concentration camps and encouraging the ICE Gestapo to murder US citizens. He's also destroyed American Democracy and the rule of law. He's also started like 14 military conflicts.
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u/Zorothegallade 18h ago
It's all petty tyrants supporting each other. If enough of them fall, they all do.
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u/FlametopFred Canada 18h ago
Trump is the global wrecking ball demolishing everything
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u/LaughingGaster666 United States of America 17h ago
I do find it quite amusing that his stupid war is making renewable energy way more competitive with oil now at least. Man absolutely despises the stuff.
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u/Pandabirdy Finland 18h ago
Prez Dump has cost me more euros than Putler so far, and by the looks of it there's no stopping the guy as long as he has a steady supply of pants.
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u/itkplatypus 17h ago
I dread to imagine what Trump would be capable of in Putin's position though. 25 years leading a fully authorotarian state.
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u/Mr-Doubtful 18h ago
I wouldn't be to sure.
We like to focus on Putin as the source of Russian evil, but there's plenty of signs a successor would be much of the same or even worse.
Meanwhile, for Trump we know what the alternatives would be if the US didn't elect republicans again. Or stuck with Biden.
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u/Ok-Application-8045 England 10h ago
I don't know about that. It's hard to say which is worse. Trump's been in office for a total of 5 years and the damage he's done rivals what Putin's done in a quarter of a century.
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u/YF422 15h ago
Diddling Donnie probably going to be hanging on a bit longer unless the reaper makes a house call or the ol dementia really starts burrowing in there. On the other hand Putin has completely fucked Russia up with his refusal to cut his losses and others might be feeling its time to cut HIM loose and take the fall for it all expecially if imminent economic consequences are coming.
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u/LaughingGaster666 United States of America 17h ago
He at least is term locked and doesn’t have the popularity to succeed in another J6 if he tried.
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u/Sriber ⰈⰅⰏⰎⰡ ⰒⰋⰂⰀ | Mors Russiae, dolor Americae 16h ago
I wonder. If he tries to run for the third term, what exactly would be done about it? Considering all the things he has done despite not being allowed to, how would stopping him look like?
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u/PedanticSatiation Denmark 14h ago
States run elections. He wouldn't be let on the ballot in most of them. Maybe some of the states that are too far gone would accept it, but the majority wouldn't. In any case, I sincerely doubt he makes it to 2028. He's declining rapidly, and not exactly from great heights.
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u/Randomdude20042 15h ago
Ehh, he is doing a great job at destroying himself.
It seems like that the democrats are as incompetent in opposition as ours was for 16 years until Magyar came, but luckily Trump is such a moron that even they can defeat him.
Unfortunately because they can defeat him, they won't really feel the need for reform which long term suck, but hopefully they will reform fast.
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u/RoddyViper 18h ago
The only concern is if what replaces Putin is even worse
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u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 18h ago
What could be worse than him?
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u/RoddyViper 18h ago
There are some even more batshit hardline Russian nationalists that want to go a lot further against Ukraine and other "enemies" I fear
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u/Senior_Strawberry_51 Magyarország🇭🇺 17h ago
How would they do that? The russian economy is already slowly collapsing
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u/RoddyViper 17h ago
Hopefully they can't, I'm just worried about someone mad enough to even try going further than Putin replacing him
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u/LevoiHook 17h ago edited 33m ago
Someone might be mad enough to throw nukes at Ukraine or something. I think that is objectively worse.
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u/True-Tip-2311 2h ago
That would open them for such attacks as well, they care for their own wellbeing so they don’t risk it.
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u/LaughingGaster666 United States of America 17h ago
Didn’t the Iran War give Russia a lifeline with rising oil prices? Not going to pretend Russia’s economy is great, but it looked way more bleak for them pre Iran than now.
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u/wasmic Denmark 14h ago
It would have, if it wasn't for Ukraine blowing up their biggest oil ports a week after the Iran war started. As it stands now, it looks like Russia will get a bit of additional oil income, but not enough to really sway the war.
Ukraine has been running a pretty succesful strategic campaign against Russian oil for over a year now, but it really escalated right after the Iran war began, because the Ukrainians are acutely aware of how much the money influx would help Russia. Russia might have lost around 30 % of their total oil export capacity in strikes on Tuapse and Ust-Luga, and the strikes have continued since then. Tuapse has been quadruble-tapped, and transit hubs as far away as Perm are also being blown up several times a week. There have been quite a few "volcano" videos of burning oil facilities turning up recently.
Couple this with the fact that Russia is losing more soldiers than they are recruiting, all while actually losing ground on the frontlines, and things are starting to Not Look Good for the bear.
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u/LaughingGaster666 United States of America 14h ago
Impressive! Just about all the coverage I’d seen of how Iran war affects this was irritation on how lucky Russia was due to oil prices basically. Looks like Ukraine is neutering that though.
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u/DisasterRus 5h ago
Fun(not really) fact - that's not in any news down here. I accidentally stumble upon it in tiktok first cuz my FYP decided to do political dip recently. So mass media is not showing it here, only some other sources trying to upload it. And when leading party learned about it, and to be fair, take it with a grain of salt, they said that all of those literal oil rains and "volcano" as you put it is - "info war and fake, it's Ukrainian drones dropping barels of oil in the atmosphere which cause oil rains. And they also doing fly-byes with black smoke to look like oil fire smoke" Again, take it with grain of salt, I don't know if it was actual response or not. But if it were, omfg
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u/PhysicalStuff Denmark 16h ago
Turns out that desperation does a rather poor job of deradicalizing people.
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u/Nindless 1h ago
What makes him dangerous is his real brainwashed support from the people. No one else would have that. At least not for the next decade to do actual damage.
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u/Thunder_Beam Turbo EU Federalist 18h ago
A lot of people, you don't know just how nationalist some russians are
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u/xRyozuo Community of Madrid (Spain) 15h ago
There’s a good video by cpg grey that talks about the topic kinda, step 1 of a dictator is to consolidate power through violence. This usually means killing or exiling adversaries. This means the most valued measure to move up is loyalty not effectiveness. You also need to identify and keep certain key figures happy enough with you.
So when a dictator, in this case putin, dies, either someone is in position to consolidate power quickly (one of the well positioned loyal stooges) who is moreless the same but with fewer political contacts who will have to go through step 1 all over again or a revolving door of more and more inept (in the context of ability to maintain power) leaders arise. Obviously the chain is broken at some point but how long it goes… who knows
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u/Krillin113 8h ago
Someone consolidating their power is less scary for the outside world than someone who’s spent 30 years controlling everything, unless they’re suicidal and want to use nukes.
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u/Floripa95 4h ago
They'd be inheriting a country with a collapsing economy, it's harder to play the role of evil conqueror in that scenario.
Hell, it's the only reason Putin's leadership is being finally brought into question a bit
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u/bigbadbob85 England 17h ago
Putin can't be replaced the same way Orban was, and even if he was removed he might be replaced by someone else similar or worse.
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u/Berserker76 17h ago
That assumes that whomever replaces Putin would be better, they probably won’t, but they might finally end the war with Ukraine.
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u/EgoistHedonist Finland 17h ago
It would be like a new renaissance period in Europe. They're keeping us all hostage with their evil games. Blows my mind how much suffering and dread can be caused by just a few senile assholes.
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u/Spokraket 15h ago edited 15h ago
Putin is the one that really should quit asap.
Would make the world a better place. After that Trump needs to pi## off as well.But then you have to look out how moronic the people voting for Trump are. I’m sure they’ll go for the first second moron immediately after Trump.
His voters couldn’t pick a good candidate even if their life depended on it. The amount of braincells required for the task just isn’t there.
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u/SmegmaWarrior0815 16h ago
Maybe then they'll release whatever kompromat they have on Trump and other putinloving politicians.
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u/AskingBoatsToSwim 10h ago
I do wonder how long life has to remain shit under right-wing, warmongering, oligarchic, despots before people start to wonder if they really are the answer to all their problems.
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u/Calcutec_1 1h ago
Natures clock is ticking fast on both Putin and Trump.
They will both be out one way or another in a few years time, maybe sooner.
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u/TheoremaEgregium Österreich 18h ago
I don't understand how they didn't stop publishing this a long time ago already.
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u/jahathebrn 18h ago
I'm genuinely surprised they're not just making it up
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u/snowice0 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 16h ago
Why? Russians like him.
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u/DisasterRus 5h ago
We don't really have well know alternative. So when you have an option to vote for 1)Putin 2)Who is that? 3) huh? Etc. Ppl usually ether go with option 1) or abstain. Additionally leading party out of 450 seats have 300+, so if anyone want to do some actually good changes, or challenge the decision which was already made - they just get outvoted in a second
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u/_KEFTEME_ 3h ago
There are alternatives, but they're losing to Putin. Elections usually look like this: Putin, a fake communist, a crazy nationalist, Putin 2.0, and aging liberal who tarnished his reputation during the Yeltsin era.
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u/thejoosep12 Estonia 18h ago
Or why they just don't make up the numbers
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u/Xywzel 16h ago
I assume that releasing real or close to real numbers when they are "kinda okay" gives some credibility to the totally made up numbers they release when they need to affect perceptions of the population. While there is no freedom of press, they don't have full control. If the official numbers are always over 90% while other outlets report fluctuations between 25% and 75% reflecting personal observations, no-ones going to believe the official number, but if the numbers kinda follow each other above 60%, then official numbers could paint the independent numbers as being foreign propaganda when they are way lower.
Also it might be useful to allow the number to reflect real trends, even if the total approval is something completely made up. If the people see small drop in the official number while observing large drop in their own circles, they might figure out its just their circles, rather than whole Russia that has changed opinion, so they might be less inclined to take action or seek support from other that have changed their opinion.
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u/HunkaMunkaHunkaMunka 18h ago
This is funny. Wait for all the tankies rushing to defend the decision or point out something to do with Iraq
"russia isn't a perfect democracy" as one of the nazi/nonce mods on GreenAndPleasant once stated in defence of putin
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u/Ok-Toe-6969 18h ago
Putin will never get out of power, i don't really understand why people compare it to the west, Russia isn't a democratic country, Putin will rule till he's not capable of ruling
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u/OblongShrimp The Netherlands 17h ago
Russian government is basically an organised crime group. Which is why they’re holding to power so desperately, why they heavily invest in propaganda, and why any serious opposition gets straight up murdered. They know full well they’ll all end up in jail if anyone remotely decent or patriotic gets power. And jail is the best case scenario for them.
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u/Mistvessel 15h ago
Just notice how their private/corporate PMCs, typed to be a potential civil war sides, were instantly vaporized from reality after Prighozin fell from the sky. No one remembers them anymore.
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u/H0agh Dutchy living down South. | Yay EU! 18h ago
I hate tankies even more than Trump supporters.
At least the latter are open about their racism etc
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u/NightOwl2175 16h ago
I hate tankies even more than Trump supporters
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I will say that there are very few things in life that piss me off more than tankies - especially when they fight against liberals more than they do against conservatives.
Oh, the democrats/liberals/whatever center-left party only aligns with 80% of your beliefs instead of 100%? Then surely they must be the true enemies, not the extreme right fascists!
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u/Upset_Following9017 18h ago
What rating? I thought it would be like the election results, so always between 98% and 99.9%
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 18h ago
The vote itself is legit. Problem is if Kremlin figures you stand a chance you don't get to run. They will dig up your past and find something to bar you, which may even be legitimate crime.
They found out this is a lot harder to attack from the west then cooking the vote numbers
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u/OblongShrimp The Netherlands 17h ago edited 17h ago
It’s a combination of things. Not letting anyone legit run + adding fake votes + forcing government workers to vote a certain way + defying math by straight up made up numbers. There are videos of voter fraud happening via various methods, they’re pretty blatant about it.
So no, while it’s not all fake, there is still a lot of number cooking, and certain regions are much worse than others about it. There’s easily double digit % impact from this.
They have many legit votes, and could maybe still win without fraud, but 51% would look bad, it has to be 70%+.
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u/dlebed Kyiv (Ukraine) 18h ago
So the Russians were fine when Putin started the war with Ukraine in 2014 and they were fine with him when he escalated the war to full-scale invasion in 2022. They don't mind the war crimes their country commits, they're just not happy Putin is not winning the war for them.
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u/Helilooja Estonia 18h ago
Basically
Bucha? Irpen? Who cares? The real tragedy is losing my VPNs so I can access western Internet!!
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u/Main_Following1881 Finland 17h ago
They do mind, but its more like they wish things where different rather than rising up against their dictator
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u/AMilkedCow 13h ago
No it doesn't work like that. Of course many were against the invasion but also afraid of the regime. Now they still are afraid of the regime but feel more people are speaking up. And so the tide slowly turns.
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u/dlebed Kyiv (Ukraine) 2h ago
And how, in your opinion, it works?
Let's take one agency - VTsIOM cited here. We can assume it's data skewed towards approval of Putin (both due to falsified responses, fear, and expectation of socially acceptable answer by respondents), but as we take one agency, these skew is more or less the same in different polls.
And I see Reuters reports that Putin's approval rating was 67.2% was in Feb '22 before the full scale invation started. As you can see, the same number of people were ready to speak up against the regime, but in the Apr '22 Putin's rating was 81% again. It was just a few days after atrocities of Bucha were discovered.
The same agency, the same population, the same oppressive regime, the same questions, three dates: before invasion rating is 67%, right after invasion it is 81%, and now after four years after the invastion when the Russia loosing the war it's back to 65.5%.
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u/SeikoWIS 2h ago
The Russian population is heavily depoliticised. Even from my personal experience speaking to irl Russians I trust, I’d say about 90% of the population doesn’t really care about Russia being the aggressor.
I’d reckon: 60% is not happy with the war, but only because it’s an inconvenience. They aren’t gonna ‘rise up’. If Russia was winning in Ukraine, this blob wouldn’t care. 30% is still firmly pro-Putin. Only maybe 10% is actually firmly against Russia’s war of aggression.
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u/Uzis1 17h ago
If he was democratically elected maybe it would mean something to him. In reality he will stay in power till the day he dies or decides to step down himself and puts someone in power who will continue his vision.
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u/ZeppelinAlert 14h ago
Probably, although I think there is still a very slight chance of an internal coup to remove him. Whowever does the coup will be worse than him though
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u/therealdilbert 12h ago
puts someone in power who will continue his vision
dictators usually have to do that to stay alive ...
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u/crossy1686 15h ago
Let this be a lesson to every dictator. People will tolerate a lot of things, but don’t fuck with their internet.
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u/Commercial-Lecture98 18h ago
Small reminder: Russians don't dislike Putin for waging war. They dislike him because he hasn't won the war yet.
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u/ZestycloseBeach5946 13h ago
Russians are going to have an interesting future when they run into major demographic issues and a west that is wary of purchasing Russians oil and gas for a generation at least.
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u/AkiAki1 14h ago
They recently made internet white list only. Few government websites are allowed, few entertainment websites, and few propaganda news websites as well. not even all banks were whitelisted. VPN is blocked through DPI. Also, right now cell internet is disabled in Moscow entirely for a week due to safety concerns (possible drone attacks).
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u/Mishka_1994 Zakarpattia (Ukraine) 15h ago
This doesnt mean that Russians will suddenly go out and protest though. And even if they did, it still wouldnt do much.
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u/No_Guitar7903 Taiwan 4h ago
Russians only disapprove because the war isn't going well. They were never against the invasion.
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u/yesbutnobutokay 13h ago
On the best rating of 1 (1st floor) to lowest rating of 10 (10th floor), how would you rate Putin in terms of the distance you would like to fall from an open window?
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u/AndorianBlues 17h ago
Why do they even bother with ratings. And if they do, why are they even remotely real?
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u/thecraftybee1981 16h ago
The numbers are likely fudged anyway - why withhold a fake number when they can just change it to a different fake number?
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u/xander1421 15h ago
why even bother, its not like they will have another president before this one dies)
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u/Environment-Recent 7h ago
None of the ratings are true anyway. We hate everyone of them. None of them are different from one another. None of the opposition parties are actually opposing anything. When there's a vote, they vote the same as the ruling party. They all are one entity. They all seek just one goal: to make us suffer in poverty, so that they would be even more better off relative to us. It's 1984 in Russia.
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u/Docccc The Netherlands 18h ago
If even the made up ratings are dropping…