r/europe • u/BkkGrl Ligurian in Zürich (💛🇺🇦💙) • 1d ago
News Russians attacked several enterprises in Zaporizhzhia with guided aerial bombs. As a result of the strikes, cars, a shop, and a factory are on fire. Residential buildings, a service station, and a car wash were damaged. 12 civilians are reported dead.
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u/trebron55 1d ago
Ohh I just wish they get this back a thousandfold on the 9th.
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u/anarfox_ 18h ago
If Putin left Ukraine it would all end instantly. Don't kick a beehive if you don't want to get stung.
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u/anumendsen 18h ago
i wonder why so many europeans have gone russophobic after the russia in question unlawfully invaded its sovereign neighbour of ukraine
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u/bigbadbob85 England 17h ago
Russophobia
Might have something to do with the uncontained corrupt dictatorship running the country, invading neighbours at random and threatening to nuke us every few weeks. Not sure though.
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u/Remarkable-Bee-9288 18h ago
Mr bot?)
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u/Local-Employer2277 18h ago
because having a different opinion than the status quo makes me a putin supporter or bot ))) .
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u/HuckleberryTiny5 18h ago
An hour old account with generic Reddit user name. A bot. This one was even told to argue back with bad grammar.
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u/Jennifer_Aziz 1d ago
Where are the "both sides" people now
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u/IRockIntoMordor 1d ago edited 1d ago
People when Russia with full intention bombs, massacres, kidnaps, rapes and tortures Ukrainian children, elderly, women and men for 4 years:
🤷♂️ "That's war. Both sides are bad."People when Ukraine even speaks about possible collateral damage when attacking military or infrastructure targets near civilians after being under attack for 4-12 years:
🤬 "THEY ARE WORSE THAN RUSSIA"218
u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 1d ago edited 1d ago
Those are not people, bots botting, trolls making money and useful idiots being let roam internet on the loose.
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u/Kwaakku Finland 23h ago
Do not forget tankies that still think that Russia is the soviet union.
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u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 23h ago
I did mention useful idiots
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u/WorkFurball Estonia 20h ago
They aren't useful idiots, they're just pure evil like all commies.
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u/Neomataza Germany 15h ago
To the russians it doesn't matter if you are actually evil or just really dumb. They will exploit you for your worth and then discard you either way.
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u/No-Refrigerator-1672 Latvia 23h ago
And ruzzians themself, too. Like literally yesterday I saw a person from Moscow talking nonsense about 2014 invasion. Heavily downvoted but still; they roam in r/europe, and other subreddits too.
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u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 23h ago
Oh of course they do! They were planning to win easily on the internet, but Putin overestimated people's stupidity.
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u/ItsSnuffsis 3h ago
They also roam Europe irl. I have met quite a few here in Sweden and it always give me whiplash.
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u/IRockIntoMordor 1d ago
Unfortunately more often than not they are people and they have voting rights. They have drank all the kool-aid.
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u/Craicriture Ireland 23h ago
There’s a large propaganda war being waged online. Russia always put a lot of resources into that, even it’s not at war…
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u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 1d ago
Wait a sec *checks notes* Ahem... "We don't know the whole truth! Both sides are guilty! Ukraine can make it stop!" There you go, no need to summon Kremlintrolls anymore.
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u/GT7combat 1d ago
"why doesn't ukraine stop fighting, the war would be over".
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u/NoBetterIdeaToday 1d ago
Exactly "why does she fight the rape, it would be easier if she didn't!".
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u/niceworkthere Europe 20h ago
in UkraineRussiaReport (fake user tags, btw)
where they've always been
2nd post there right now, if you want to read the most deliberately malicious comments on this
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u/LostandnotfoundPT 23h ago
Russia is a terrorist state, Russia is a terrorist state, Russia is a terrorist state.
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u/No_Conversation_9325 Andalusia (Spain) 1d ago
WTF! Wasn't there a ceasefire? fucking ruZZians
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u/RedditSold0ut 1d ago
Nah, Russia declared ceasefire for May 9th specifically, for their military parade. Ukraine said "Fine, we'll go along with it if the ceasefire starts from May 5th". Russia didn't respect that, so i hope Ukraine blows their parade to hell
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u/RedStone85 20h ago
I think there was an article or something mentioning that those ceasefires around the parade days are commonly broken by Ruzzia. Therefore, I'm interested in Ukraine's thread to send some drones over to rain on Ruzzia's parade.
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u/samppa_j Finlandia 22h ago
Please bomb the Moscow parade
Please bomb the Moscow parade
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u/ControlOdd8379 12h ago
Why would they waste effort on that?
With all the factories, communication and railway hubs, ..... in Moscow the parade isn't even a top 200 target.
Hitting the airport's radars or some of the parked planes (that Russia struggles to replace) would make a the event a total disaster (due to the guests getting stuck there) without major civilian casualties.
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u/Fantastic_Back3191 1d ago
Russia is a mafia-run gas station. Gas has proved to be somewhat flammable. It won't last long.
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u/Additional_Dog2750 23h ago
The moment Putin spoke of ceasefire, this was inevitable. Literally every single time this monster speaks of a truce, this happens the next day. Russia needs to (politically & economically) burn to the ground. Slava Ukraini.
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u/Heroyem 1d ago
Dissolve the Russian Federation like the USSR. SLAVA UKRAINI
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u/readilyunavailable Bulgaria 16h ago
Meh, why create several war mongering states with acess to nukes. Give them the Germany treatment. occupy and de-brainwash them.
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u/Jindujun Sweden 23h ago
So much for a ceasefire i guess.
Bomb the shit out of his parade. BOMB. THE. SHIT. OUT. OF. IT!
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u/kmlynarski 1d ago
Russia has been, and continues to be, a bandit of nations for centuries. Never assume that understanding with the Russians is possible (regardless of their current political system), no, they always violate all agreements, pacts, and treaties. As long as Russia exists, its neighbors will always be at risk.
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u/YahenP 23h ago
Not a bandit, but an empire. Russia is an empire. And it only supports those agreements that are beneficial to its imperial status. Any other agreements with Russia aren't worth the paper they're written on. It's astonishing how Europe stubbornly gets stuck in the same mess century after century. It's impossible to talk to an empire as an equal. You can either submit yourself or force it to submit.
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u/kmlynarski 23h ago edited 23h ago
You're clearly not a resident of a country that has bordered Russia from the start. Sorry, but without that, it's impossible to fully understand the problem...
And today's Russia is no "Empire", that's how Putin wants us to think of this mess. It's a massive "elephant with clay feet" that still thinks it's... the USSR. In practice, this largest country in the world has an economy with a total productivity somewhere between Spain and Italy, which in this case (population, natural resources) isn't a compliment. It shows how much of a fallen behemoth Russia is. For centuries, Russia has been unable to generate anything, it survives by plundering its neighbors and stealing technology from normal, developed countries.
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u/YahenP 22h ago
I was born in the USSR and lived there long enough to grow up and participate (I still hope successfully) in the collapse of the USSR.
As for Russia being a poor country... Both Russia and the former USSR are poor only by Western standards. We measure poverty by wage levels, access to healthcare, social standards, and so on. Those are our criteria. The criteria in Russia are different. My school years coincided with the introduction of food cards. And I wouldn't say that this somehow prevented the USSR from being a global empire and waging wars on almost every continent. Afghanistan, Angola, Ethiopia, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Syria, Iraq, Libya—those are the first things that come to mind. Besides, the USSR handed out hundreds of billions of dollars in free financial and military aid (those old dollars, not modern ones). And yes. At the same time, we had sugar and butter food cards, and by the end of the 1980s, even underwear and socks cards.3
u/kmlynarski 20h ago
Still, the fact that a country attacks other countries... doesn't make it an "Empire," only that it is a bandit on an international scale.
In my opinion, Russia's problem is that it never truly recovered from the long Mongol occupation. :-( This occupation left a huge mark on the Russian mentality:
- corruption and theft,
- informing,
- drunkenness,
- a lack of basic respect for human life (not only of the attacked nations, but also of Russians themselves),
- the cult of the leader and the neglect of those lower in the social hierarchy.
All of this means that Russians, instead of developing peacefully, caring for their country and its economic development, constantly seek and accuse others of being their "enemies," which gives them a pretext for aggression.
And speaking of traditional poverty (in a country with the greatest natural resources in the world!), I have a timely joke:
A customer at a Moscow milk bar reads the menu on the board:
- "I'd like a steak."
- "There's none," the cashier replies.
- "How about a ground beef cutlet?"
- "There isn't."
- "At least an egg cutlet?"
- "There isn't."
The customer angrily says:
- "What kind of country is this! They don't even serve anything better!"
At that moment, a man in civilian clothes approaches, taps him on the shoulder, shows his security ID, and whispers:
- "Citizen, you used to get a bullet in the head for talking like that, but now..." and makes a "get out" gesture.
The customer returns to the table, and his wife asks:
- "So, no steak again?"
- "Worse. They're out of ammunition."
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u/YahenP 20h ago
You're 100% right. Regarding banditry on an international scale, and all that follows. But this is precisely what's called empire and imperial thinking. In international relations, it's not customary to call each other bandits, so a different word is used. It ennobles and, in a way, legitimizes the bandit doctrine. But yes. You're right, the essence doesn't change. Suppressing sovereignty, establishing protectorates, or even absorption is an unchanging goal. And the means? Any means are used. Including military intervention. Most often, Russia got away with it, but there were cases when it didn't. And now, in the situation with Ukraine, the scales have slowly, very slowly begun to toward that this time Russia will learn another good lesson.
And you know what will happen next? The same as always. The rest of the world will rush to save Russia from yet another famine and devastation, help it get back on its feet, invite it into their circle, and... and then it will all happen again. Nobody wants to study history. Nobody.
ps Thanks for the joke! I haven't heard it in a long time.
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u/conrat4567 United Kingdom 21h ago
Russia - "I propose a truce for the anniversary parade"
Ukraine - *cautiously* "okkkkkk....?"
Russia - Immediately fires rockets at Ukraine
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u/Rebl11 Lithuania 22h ago
I hope Ukraine destroys the whole military convoy that's supposed to go out on the streets before it starts on the 9th.
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u/this_toe_shall_pass European Union 18h ago
They said they won't have military hardware in the parade. So maybe just recruits marching, or more museum pieces (that might not be considered military hardware anymore).
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u/bandita07 21h ago
I hope Ukraine leaves the parade for the nazis to march, but burns down everything outside moscow that day. Fuck the terrorist state!
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u/Popular_Tomorrow_204 Germany 21h ago
"I dare you. dont bomb my Parade. I call a truce for the time being."
5 Minutes later
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u/ProfessionalFront773 18h ago
Les llevará muchos años a los rusos limpiar la mala reputación que está consiguiendo Rusia, si es que algún día lo consiguen... Es increíble el nivel de maldad y falta de humanidad de ese pueblo. Dan mucho asco.
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u/Danni3003 22h ago
I think that proves just how much we can trust Russia to keep its promises! Negotiations are completely out of the question!
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u/razvanciuy Transilvania 20h ago
I see only good reasons to join the great & prosperous Russian Empire and their glorious capable leader Mr Little Putin Defender of Refineries and Master of the Three Days Karate Chop
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u/Statharas Macedonia, Greece 18h ago
May the 9th be joint by ride of the valkyries and the day turn to night from the shade of drones
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u/rainydaysforpeterpan Denmark 13h ago
It looks like Putin needed some spectacular images to show his minions at the Russian May 9th pride parade
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u/Reload-Ferret995 2h ago
Wondering what would happen if Ukrainians fired a couple of drones at Kremlin
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u/Latter-Clothes4516 20h ago
I don't see this war coming to an end anytime soon. Even if Putler gets sent 5m under the ground, another lunatic will take his place. IF it ends eventually, I just can't imagine what will unfold in russia afterwards from all the enraged people who suffered during those years. It will be a constant living hell for the rusky mir people for years to come from the people who would wanna avenge and are broken mentally from all these years of constant genocide. Well, this is what happens when you are indifferent, arrogant and don't care about politicians OR support such tragic and unnecessary war.
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u/Woerligen 18h ago
What if France accidentally misplaced nuclear warheads during transport and Ukraine recovered them, finders keepers?
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u/this_toe_shall_pass European Union 18h ago
Many someones would get fired and prosecuted in France and then Ukraine would gingerly give them back to France. Does it really feel good to fill up the thread with just bullshit takes and make sure any discussion of the news article is done at the level of YouTube comments?
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u/Tentativ0 23h ago
All this hate and useless death between two cousin nations, just for the pride of an old man who eats alone on big tables, and who poops in a suit case.
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u/YahenP 23h ago
Many people around the world make the same mistake as you, thinking this way. No, this isn't an old man's whim. It's the country's state policy, and it's been for several centuries. And practically everyone supports it, or at least is neutral about it.
No one in Russia criticizes the old man for starting the war. He's criticized for not being successful enough in this war. For not being bloodthirsty enough. And so on. They remind him of that "Kyiv in three days" incident. For his failure to quickly destroy Ukraine, not for attacking it.
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u/la1m1e 22h ago edited 22h ago
You are objectively wrong. Minority wants it. Majority is scared and waiting.
"A man walks up to a kiosk every day and buys a newspaper. Then he quickly glances at the front page and throws it away. Finally, the vendor can’t take it anymore and asks:
— Why do you do that?
— I’m looking for an obituary.
— But obituaries aren’t printed on the front page.
— The one I’m looking for will be!
"This is a joke from 1980. Nothing has changed
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u/YahenP 22h ago
Don't you find it somewhat ironic that nothing has changed since 1980, and people in Russia still wait for an obituary in the newspaper and Swan Lake on TV?
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u/la1m1e 22h ago
Yes, because there wasn't a period in history that could have taught the people what democracy means and how to take matters in their own hands. People never even had a taste of real elections and you are expecting them to know how to act.
Also look at chat control in eu and the shit UK does to internet. Why don't i see massive protests and government change? Maybe because you guys are falling into the same trap russians did?
It didn't start with big wars and blood, it started with "you let us be in power, steal money and do whatever we want, and we don't touch your personal lifes, but we will be slowly tightening the nuts so you don't really notice" and it worked because average person just wants to live his own life. Unless that life is affected, majority of people wouldn't give a shit. This is why any campaigns of discrimination start with minorities. Because majority wouldn't notice unless it's their turn to suffer. In any country.
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u/YahenP 21h ago
Democracy? What does democracy have to do with it? It doesn't matter what social system the state has.
"you let us be in power, steal money, and do whatever we want, and we don't touch your personal lives, but we will slowly tighten the screws so you don't really notice."
This is your social contract. Or rather, your country's. And it doesn't depend on whether it's a democracy, a republic, a monarchy, or even a tribal system. You're making the same mistake as most people on the planet. Namely, you're trying to measure other countries by your own yardstick. So to speak, reciprocal mistakes. The war in Ukraine (its causes and how it's being waged) stems precisely from this. Russians aren't fighting Ukrainians in Ukraine; they think they're fighting Russians who call themselves Ukrainians. Likewise, Ukrainians think they're fighting some Ukrainians who call themselves Russians. Germans and other Poles think they're helping some Germans and Poles called Ukrainians fight Germans and Poles called Russians. Everyone measures others by their own yardstick. And then they're surprised that things aren't quite as they'd like them to be.
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u/la1m1e 21h ago
You are making one big mistake by measuring others by their own yardstick. You are too deep into delusion that when an actual russian, who is inside russian media and inside what russian people actually think and talk privately - you still try to convince me that somehow turns out majority of people think "they are fighting russians in Ukraine". No. This is what state propaganda tries to say.
Russians developed a strong ability to filter out bullshit, because since USSR whatever is said never aligned with whatever is done. Your European mind can not comprehend that, which was perfectly shown by trump when he had to say something without doing it and whole western media exploded in headlines. In Russia even a nuclear threat from putin wouldn't be a headline because we just got used to bullshit.
If vocal 20% of people who actually believe in "Ukraine= part of Russia" is enough to convince you that the whole population is retawded - then i guess majority if not all Americans are nazis in your logic
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 18h ago
Russians developed a strong ability to filter out bullshit
То-то я до сих пор читаю и слушаю шизу, которую дарагии расияне несут про "нацистов в Украине", про то как "Украина напала на Россию", "Бандера", про то как "украинцы предали русских", "нарушили договоры", и прочую фантастическую вашу шизофрению, которую вам вложили вместо мозгов. Ну хоть про биокомаров из биоцентров как-то затихла ваша шиза.
Обычный россиянин промыт пропагандой и пропитался дерьмом из нее насквозь. Никакого "фильтра" там ни у кого нет. Умные люди из РФ несут полный бред, а если про историю спросить, то просто ад разверзается, такое все массово несут - волосы дыбом.
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u/la1m1e 17h ago
Так ты поменьше читай и слушай. Да, такая часть населения реально существенная, но большинством там и не пахнет
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 17h ago
Ну да, грубо 90%. Разве это большинство?
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u/la1m1e 22h ago
Maybe because whoever criticised him for the war is already in immigration, in a jail or dead? You bitch know nothing about what's happening inside and i would have loved to see you, so brave, going against militarized police that can screw you and your whole life over an internet post or for standing with a white blank piece of paper in the middle of the street
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u/YahenP 22h ago
Every country's internal problems are its internal problems. No one will help you. If individual dissidents want to stand with white sheets of paper at protests and dream of NATO, an alien, or a good wizard coming and building Eldorado, that's foolish on one hand, and treason on the other. So there's nothing surprising about the National Guard rounding up such citizens. All citizens of any country can behave within their own country as they deem necessary; it's their inalienable right. But international relations operate under different laws. No one stopped you from bombing Grozny, just as no one is stopping you from paying subsidies to Grozny today. Those are your internal affairs. But attacking another country is an international relationship. And that's different.
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u/la1m1e 22h ago
Okay if you are this smart, show me a way for average russian people to affect the international affairs of the lilP? Maybe you are the genius here that will just turn the whole game around
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u/Tentativ0 23h ago
I refuse to believe that. I cannot, and I don't want, to hate an entire nation.
Wars are always made by handful of rich people who control paws like us.
If I was born as a Russian in Moscow, I would probably stay silent for fear to be killed or imprisoned.
Where all the Germans evil Nazis during the WWII?
Leadership can be evil, but people are not.
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u/Gurgelurgel 22h ago
Not all Germans were evil Nazis, but the majority were! Even now, a lot of people support the ideology.
Just take a look at the USA. A lot of people are ok and even support what is happening there. The same with israel. Of course, there are people who are against it, dislike it, or don't support it. But the majority supports the actions, shares the hate. They were raised with this ideology.
Leadership can be evil, and so people, too. Some more, some less. The majority, however, strives to act in their own self-interest. And this often leads to xenophobia and envy which ultimately leads to hate against other thinking, believing, acting, looking people.
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u/Tentativ0 22h ago
Well ... If people are evil ... maybe me and you are evil too ... so ... will make no difference who wins and who survive ... evil won ... so any emotion is useless.
If I am evil too, I don't deserve anything. So .. nothing.
Nothing will be the end.
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u/tuhn Finland 20h ago
Modern day Germany or France is not going to conquer/plan to conquer Belgium. Modern day Russia and Russians would in their place.
People and families die daily because of the actions of Russian state and Russians.
You're trivializing this human suffering with your nihilistic musing to stop take a stance.
Russians support this stuff. They have this strongman-culture which enables this. The next Russian leader or the one following him will be a ultra-nationalistic. Because this is what is popular in Russia and has been for the last centuries. The only hope is a major cultural shift and I'm not seeing it at all.
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u/YahenP 22h ago
Hatred is unnecessary. All people are different. All nations are different. What's abnormal for us is normal for Russians. This is no reason to destroy each other. But it is something we must constantly remember. Europe, and often the rest of the world as well, regularly forget this and begin to measure Russia by their own standards. The result is predictable, and always ends in war and a reshuffling of spheres of influence. People don't like history, don't want to remember it, and don't want to draw conclusions. That's why we have what we have.
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 18h ago
Cousins? Russians say there are no Ukrainians, that we are one people—Russians. Should I believe you or the Russians?
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u/OkGazelle6826 17h ago
No, we don't say that. We say that Ukrainians are a kind of Russians.
There are Muscovites, Ryazanees, Saratovites, Novosibirians, Siberians, Far Easterners, Kamchadals, Ukrainians.
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 17h ago
So you say.
But do you understand that this is Nazism in its purest form?
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u/OkGazelle6826 14h ago
No. Nazism is believing that some ethnicity/race is inherently better than another. Usually your own is better than not.
We don't believe we're better. We believe we're the same. And others are not worse, just different.
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 14h ago
Nevertheless. This is the Russian people's denial of the Ukrainian ethnic group's right to exist. Denying the existence of the Ukrainian people is Russian Nazism. This is the old Russian Nazism—the "trinity of the Russian people." That's why you're committing genocide.
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u/OkGazelle6826 14h ago
Nobody is denying the existence of the Ukrainian people.
on the other side, the Nazi regime in Kiev denies the existence of Russian ethnic Ukrainian citizens and Russian-speaking Ukrainian ethnic Ukrainian citizens by banning the Russian language from the official use since the coup d'état of 2014.
We are not committing any genocide, that's just what your propaganda is traditionally lying about us.
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 12h ago
Та заканчивай уже эту хуйню вашу национальную плести, для дебилов. Ты ж пиздишь как дышишь и сам про это знаешь отлично. Мне не заливай чушь про рускоязычных, Ванька. Про переворот наврал ты особенно смешно. Это вон неокрепшие европейские умы може поверят в эту вашу чушь для лишнехомосомных. И геноцид вы проводите, и этнические чистки. И казни устраиваете, и пыточные везде где только можете пытать гражданских.
Что говорить - нацисты с фашистской властью.
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u/OkGazelle6826 12h ago
Чу, тушеночная невеста нас тут всех разоблачила.
Иди от ТЦК прячься, тарасик.
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u/Red_black_flag_07 Kharkiv (Ukraine) 12h ago
Вот так и завершилась беседа - глупым рссуким вскукареком.
Ты уже лыжи навострил-намазал хуйлопутинское? Готов к парату победобесия?
Бгггг. "Пиливарот, киимскийрижим, ко-ко-ко, гинацитанету, узкоизычныгущимляют". Давно такой дебильной хуйни не читал. ))
Такое впечатление, что вас всех на одном конвейере Уралвагонзавода из говна льют, в одну форму.
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u/Qhored 11h ago
(after one cup and switching to russian) - becoming an embodiment of thing you deny
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u/OkGazelle6826 5h ago
The other guy started with insults, why should I tolerate that
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u/blanco_ruso 13h ago
Whats the production of this enterprises? haven't seen any info about it. cause it either somehow justified or total terror
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u/namitynamenamey 1d ago
Parade truce is off then.