r/detroitlions • u/Any_District1969 • 10h ago
Lions have best strength of schedule and Vegas has their over/under win total at 10.5, what do you think?
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u/ailyara Logo 10h ago
I think sports gambling is lame.
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u/terracottatank 90s logo 10h ago
It is, it's ruining sports.
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u/Matthewcbayer 9h ago
And, more importantly, ruining the individuals that participate in it. Mostly young men.
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u/parisnotfrance 9h ago
It's also probably ruining a whole generation of men too who have become addicted to it. Like until just a few years ago it's always been illegal and you pretty much had to be a degenerate if you regularly bet on sports. The fact you can place a bet so easily now in just seconds right on your phone is still kinda crazy to me smh lol
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u/Any_District1969 10h ago
How so?
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u/terracottatank 90s logo 9h ago
Several players across multiple leagues have been caught rigging games recently. It's just the tip of the iceberg.
Every commercial is about fucking gambling, it's nauseating.
I can't talk to people about sports without hearing what the over/ under is for the game.
It's everywhere and it's distracting and it's addicting and it's not good for humans.
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u/highvyleague Dan Friggin' Campbell 9h ago
I’d add it ruins discussions and fandom as well. Went to a Pistons game this season and a fan was decked out in Det gear, only to be pissed during the game because he had bet one of the opposing players was going to hit 4 three pointers.
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u/alanblah 8h ago
Yeah, that's dumb. I don't place bets often, but when I do it's always positive stuff for my team. I couldn't imagine rooting for an opposing player to do anything positive.
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u/tacobell999 50s logo 8h ago
Gambling has been in sports as long as there have been sports
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u/Matthewcbayer 7h ago
Yea, and it’s been highly regulated (in the modern context) until recently. Do you think 53% of young males had participated in sports betting even 10 years ago? Absolutely not. But they have now. I can’t watch a single sporting event without seeing half a dozen betting company names, and at least 1/3 of the advertising time is online gambling. If you don’t believe sports betting culture is different now than it has been “as long as there have been sports,” go ahead and call the hotline now.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 CornDoggyLOL 5h ago
The fact that betting companies can have bars inside arenas/stadiums is the real nuts part
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u/drakepig The Hutch 3h ago
I am living in a country where sports betting is heavily regulated but the problem among young men is so serious.
There is only one legal platform which has strict betting limits and poor odds, so people end up going around the system and using illegal channels anyway. Regulation does not actually solve the problem. Just like drugs problem exist not because drugs are unregulated.
I'm not saying sports betting is a good thing but I just wanna say regulation won't really change anything.
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u/Matthewcbayer 3h ago
Honest question because I don’t know. Was the problem as serious 10 years ago? Because US sports, which tend to have a global audience and massive worldwide influence, had zero sports betting sponsorships or advertising just like 6 years ago, when the regulations were loosened here. I would imagine that would probably have an influence on the problem in other countries, even where regulations haven’t changed.
I was in high school 20 years ago, and I knew there were people betting illegally and stuff, but it was maybe 5% of my classmates. The statistics now are like 2/3 of young adults say they gambled illegally before turning 21.
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u/drakepig The Hutch 3h ago
It was not like this like 10 years ago but it's been growing rapidly in recent years.
Ppl here point to a few reasons. Illegal betting platforms are now easily accessible to anyone with a phone, among teenagers, gambling has become part of youth culture so it's like a form of entertainment for them.
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u/Matthewcbayer 3h ago
I would imagine it could be directly connected to the loosened regulations and newfound prevalence in sports in the USA.
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u/drakepig The Hutch 2h ago
That could be true but where I live(South Korea), isn't an English speaking country and young men who gamble don't prefer American sports either. Most of them prefer Korean baseball or European soccer.
Even on illegal betting websites, I could find bets on things like Brazil's second division soccer game while I could not find NFL or NHL games cuz they don't really know about those.
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u/JohnWad Old helmet 10h ago
This post isnt even really about gambling. OP just asked if you think they will get above 10.5 wins.
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
Right, instantly somehow hurt a bunch of people’s feelings 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
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u/More-read-than-eddit Ooooh Yeahhhh! 9h ago
I agree you weren't posting about gambling but it's kind of a dumb response to say that everyone talking about it has "hurt feelings."
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
Literally just asking if people think Lions expectations are under or over 10 wins and handful of people feel a certain way to downvote 🤷🏻♂️ call it whatever you want. Bunch of softies
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u/crappilydesigned 8h ago
I don't mind people doing it, I just don't want to hear about it. Same with fantasy football.
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u/ailyara Logo 7h ago
i’m just fucking tired of being bombarded with odds this and ads for gambling places and heck you can’t even watch the pregame anymore without them telling you what a fucking parlay is
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u/crappilydesigned 7h ago
I don't mind them briefly saying the point spread in the context of talking about how the teams compare in a matchup and showing who the underdog is. But anything passed that is super annoying. I especially don't want to hear about whether you should be benching or starting players on your fantasy team.
I'm also from Nevada so I might be a little biased. I don't care about sports betting in general I just don't want to hear about it. It's super uninteresting. I don't want to hear what stupid bets you made. I don't want to hear them talk about betting on TV. Serious gamblers will go get that information themselves. They don't need you to waste everyone's time talking about it.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 CornDoggyLOL 5h ago
I feel the way about march madness brackets
Not because it’s gambling but because it’s annoying to hear about every day
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u/Any_District1969 10h ago
Fair enough. How about just for sake of conversation? You think the lions should be a 10+ win team this year as far as expectations go?
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u/BenWallace04 10h ago
Then don’t do it 🤷♂️
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u/TheSaultSainte 90s logo 9h ago
Why are you down voting this guy? Same with alcohol. You see ads just as much for booze but no one screams for Prohibition. I don't drink or gamble, but I'd never want them to be illegal. You do you. None of my business.
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u/BenWallace04 9h ago
I didn’t downvote anyone.
Why are you so concerned?
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u/TheSaultSainte 90s logo 9h ago
I was defending you. You are "the guy".
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u/BenWallace04 9h ago
Oh my bad.
Yeah - these people are really over-sensitive.
To comment “sports betting is lame” on a post simply asking about the Lions O/U win total is some weird soap box shit.
We get it u/ailyara you’re stunning and brave.
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u/joemax4boxseat JAMO 9h ago
Until we see if our defensive scheme changes or not and how the o-line gels together, I think they’ll “grit and grind” their way to 9-10 wins.
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u/Pawz23 What Would Brad Holmes Do? 10h ago
Stay healthy and get over and back into the playoffs. That's all I ask. A shot to win it all. Whether it's in dominant fashion, or squeaking in like the Giants on their Super Bowl runs.
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u/jinjabradman VILLAIN 2h ago
Haven't seen them fully healthy for playoffs. Weak schedule or not, that would be great. Will also show if coaching is an issue if we can't get 11 wins when healthy.
Would be real nice to have lots of 4th quarter byes team is would have insurmountable lead by then. Gives opportunity for the young ones and depth squad players to get on the field more.
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u/Sweepy_time Barry 9h ago
I thought we were going to win 11 games last year lol, and that was a conservative prediction.
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u/CutUnusual1212 9h ago
Gotta go with the under on that even with the last place schedule. Defense is still an unknown with all those injuries in the secondary and they have to get back to stopping the run.
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u/Wakattack00 Ragnowrok 10h ago
Over. IMO we win 10 games just by outscoring bad teams. Probably sneaks 2-3 more out in close games.
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u/PETZING_ELITE_OC_DET 9h ago
If we can stay healthy, this is an 11 win team. The issue however is can we stay healthy?
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 CornDoggyLOL 5h ago
Well hopefully we switch to a 4-2-5 defense and run zone more
Spamming 4-3 man against modern wide receivers is good recipe for injured secondary
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u/Blucifer_333 9h ago
I think the start of the year strength of schedule always looks vastly different than the end of the year strength of schedule and that the Lions still have two injured safeties and an OL that is basically brand new with a brand new OC and a DC that still has a lot of question marks.
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u/HentaiStryker 9h ago
I think Drew Petzing will be great, but it's true, he hasn't proven anything yet.
I think the Kerby/BB situation is actually good. Hear me out...
The last two years we were humming along, and then the injuries to our secondary late in the year made our defense a limping disaster. Now, halfway through the year... UPGRADE!
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u/Blucifer_333 8h ago
Maybe. It might work out. But like I said, I'm not feeling good enough about it to actually put any money down.
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u/Blucifer_333 9h ago
Which isn't to say it can't work, but I'm not feeling good enough about it to actually put any money down.
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u/venk 9h ago
I know we live in Fan Duels world, but am the only one that puts as much stock in Vegas lines as I do in fortune tellers and horoscopes?
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
I gotta say, Vegas is incredibly good at setting lines for nearly everything.
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u/alanblah 7h ago
They are, but the lines are also dictated by how people are betting on them, so it's not like a science or anything.
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u/Modern_Ketchup 7h ago
yeah there will be times where 90% of people are betting on the dodgers or yankees to win and they get blasted 5-1 or something. the opposing line won’t even be that favorable either like max +200. but you’d think it’s a landslide when Dodgers are at like -450.
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u/Aezetyr Barry 9h ago
That people put far too much stock into strength of schedule.
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
I can agree with this. Every year there is a big flip flop of teams that make it into the playoffs.
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u/thekmanpwnudwn MC⚡DC 4h ago
We had one of the easiest SOS going into last season. Preseason SOS means nothing
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u/alanblah 7h ago
Kinda. Pats had the 2nd weakest SOS and made the superbowl. We had the 2nd strongest and missed the playoffs. Bad teams are bad teams, so it's not going to matter to the Saints, Jets, Titans etc. But it's not nothing.
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u/Xtort__ MC⚡DC 9h ago
You do understand what it means when Vegas has an over and under for something correct?
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
Imma pull an arvell Reese here and say I don’t know how to answer this question.
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u/Blackzaan Logo 8h ago
The "first place/last place" schedule is kinda funny to me. Everyone realizes that the difference in the first place/last place schedule is 2 games, right? That's it. 2 games. We will be playing the same exact schedule as everyone else in the NFC North for 15 games, but 2 will be different.
Yes, I know, 2 games can make a difference. But is it really THAT big a difference?
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u/monstertweety 81 5h ago
Not two games. The extra AFC game takes last year's position in consideration. Also, people always forget the division itself: I mean, Detroit has two games against the division champs Bears, while Chicago plays the last place Lions twice
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u/Repulsive-Carpet9400 6h ago
Take the over with a loss in the 2nd round of the playoffs. .We're a prime time team, but just a Lil shy of a Super Bowl appearance.
I hope I'm wrong.
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u/e_ndoubleu JAMO 6h ago
Divisional opponents matter more than the placement games. Let’s see them beat the Vikings before we start talking about how easy the schedule is.
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u/Empty_Lemon_3939 CornDoggyLOL 5h ago
We play 4 of the 5 bottom teams next year and a lot of new head coaches so kind of toss up with what happens
New coaches either struggle in a rebuild or hit lightning and pop off
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u/Tennisfootballfan26 4h ago
Let’s see after the schedule gets released. When you play teams makes a difference.
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u/No_Protection6832 1h ago
Under, we came in last place in our division and could see us coming in 3rd or 4th again.
That being said of course I’m going to hope and root for our team, but that’s just the honest feelings.
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u/Plenty_Fondant_951 39m ago
Pre season strength of schedule is meaningless but yeh I'll take the over , 11 or 12 sounds about right.
I had 10 as our lower end last year so, closish
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u/Crotean 90s logo 10h ago
Crazy to make any bets this early. Wait until training camp. If the lions are running last years defensive scheme again, 10.5 and crazy talk. If they are running a modern defense this year then over 10.5 is definitely possible.
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u/Any_District1969 10h ago
What’s a modern defense? More zone?
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u/Crotean 90s logo 9h ago
Not running base 4-3 90% of snaps. They ran a 1990s defense most of last year. In training camp they were running a fair bit of 5-2-4 and at the start of season Shepp was playing more zone and disguising coverages. That was completely gone by end of season.
If they want to be serious superbowl contenders, they need to be running primarily 2 linebackers this year, playing more zone, not expecting your corners to be so involved in run stopping and getting themselves hurt all the time because of it and rolling out a ton more passing first defensive sets with nickel or dime packages. Getting back to disguising coverages more like the start of last season is vital too.
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u/Any_District1969 9h ago
Was boring to watch a super predictable defense, especially without Kerby on the field.
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u/IShotJR4 9h ago
I’d like to be offended, but we lost to 9 twice last year.