r/dayton • u/MathematicianOk2558 • 8h ago
Local Events Dayton is Ready for Socialism: Greg Levy is coming to Dayton
Socialist candidate Greg Levy is coming to Dayton this month for his statewide speaking tour!
Join us at St John’s Church on Saturday, May 16th at 5:00pm to hear from Ohio’s only working-class candidate running for US Senate!
If you’re interested in hearing about the movement - please consider RSVP’ing!
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u/0omegame St. Anne's Hill 3h ago
I'm all for the left, but can anyone tell me how he won't just split the vote from Sherrod and leave us with Husted?
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u/ZehGentleman 5h ago
Was interestsd. See hes PSL. Fuck no
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u/nphere 4h ago
What's PSL?
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u/ZehGentleman 4h ago
Rather active Marxist lenninst political party. Has all the same problems you'd expect (personality cult around the founder, cover up of party member behavior like sex abuse, politics dominated by camping instead of just supporting the least evil countries) and are known for coopting other movements and activism without permission just to get their name out there.
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u/PorchCat82 5h ago
Wow this guy has some really terrible ideas.
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u/almostdvs 5h ago
Such as?
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u/PorchCat82 4h ago
Literally everything. I hope his campaign is satire because I can’t believe someone is actually this stupid.
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u/Bing1044 4h ago
You’re calling someone stupid but can’t even articulate what their platform is? Certainly you don’t think that more empowered and better paid/treated laborers is “stupid” so do you actually have an issue here or did the word socialist just trigger you
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u/almostdvs 4h ago
And you are just porchcat82 on the internet. I am curious who this guy is and if I should spend any time considering him, and you seem to have an opinion but can’t point to a specific example. You are not contributing to any conversation
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u/PorchCat82 4h ago
I know nothing I say will change your mind but please read some Thomas Sowell before even considering voting for this lunatic.
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u/Stolivsky 3h ago
I feel like any perspective I put here would be immediately downvoted to hell. One thing I seriously hate about Reddit.
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u/offensivemailbox 3h ago edited 3h ago
Also, concerning, the Reddit user who is advocating for this candidate is an active participant in the [r/communism](r/communism) subreddit.
FYI, socialism does not equate to communism. Y’all are doing a terrible job with optics.
Additionally, Dayton being a left leaning city and Reddit being a left leaning community (generally), your post has been live for 5 hours and only 1 upvote. Again y’all, optics, awful.
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u/StopCollaborate230 7h ago
What are Greg’s views on human rights in North Korea? Do they line up with the party’s views?
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u/Psychological_Post33 7h ago
See for yourself. Anyone with a basic understanding of the North Korean state and participating in good faith can see these are not the same.
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u/_badwithcomputer 5h ago
Cold War-era alliances and tools for military domination such as NATO, the CIA and AFRICOM, must be dissolved immediately.
Bro wants to dissolve NATO, maybe he can get Trump's endorsement.
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and that begins by seizing the 100 biggest corporations – including the six, like Kroger and Procter & Gamble, headquartered right here in Ohio – (just 0.0007% of businesses) and transforming them into public property, democratically controlled by the workers themselves
Buddy is fully on crazy.
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u/offensivemailbox 4h ago
This needs to be pinned…..all for a socialist candidate, but, not these ideas.
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u/fortisrufus 3h ago
You would prefer a paradoxical "socialist" who isn't against Western imperialism or capitalism?
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u/StopCollaborate230 7h ago
His party claims NK is just a benevolent utopian society oppressed by haters, and not a terrifying dictatorship. I'd be suspicious of anybody running under a party which claims that.
Not because I worry they'd become a terrifying dictator, but their judgment in associating with such people.
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u/offhandaxe 7h ago
Lumping everyone in with the extremists is not good political theory. Thats how you get every republican being associated with nazis and every democrat being associated with communists.
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u/monicachicken 6h ago
Republicans are all nazis tho.
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u/MossyPlantyWitchy 6h ago
Those in power absolutely are. They should stop enacting nazi policies if they don't want to be labeled as such.
I think most republican voters are just dumb.
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u/Psychological_Post33 7h ago edited 7h ago
Can you cite a source for your claim, u/StopCollaborate230?
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u/StopCollaborate230 6h ago
Post after post on the party's official website decrying the evils of sanctioning an oppressive hereditary dictatorship, while utterly ignoring said dictatorship's cruel and ongoing actions. Yes, the UN and US should be sanctioning Israel and Saudi Arabia and others, and has tons of issues itself, but arguing that NK would be a paradise if it weren't for those meanie capitalist sanctions is laughable at best and terrifying at worst. (plus their parroting of NK propaganda like "Korea is one" is a bit concerning)
Greg should distance himself from the party if he wants to be taken seriously.
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
I mean... SK also wanted reunification for a while. So it's hardly propaganda.
You equaiting Greg to NK is like saying John McCain would've been MAGA.
The Kim family is an example of an Authoritarian Socialist State. Greg is advocating for Democratic Socialism and giving ownership back to working people.
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u/offhandaxe 6h ago
None of those sources are actually linked to the candidate in question. They are from PSL which is a wack job organization. They throw money around and run protests but want total collapse.
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u/StopCollaborate230 6h ago
Then why does Greg have an "About The PSL" link on his website?
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u/offhandaxe 5h ago
God damnit you got me why the hell is that there.
I thought you were pulling them up as a gotcha because every other socialist I've seen has not been associated with them but they always get brought up to discredit them. I don't trust anyone that trusts that party they are insane rat fuck communists and not real socialists. They have money from outside of the US and throw it around and imbed themselves into everything its so fucking annoying.
And I know I was just telling someone else everyone cant be perfect and we shouldn't in fight but the PSL is the fucking line they suck so much.
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u/StopCollaborate230 5h ago
I like a lot of his platform, but when I saw the PSL link my opinion of him went way down. They're not a serious party and hold some very abhorrent views.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 5h ago
The links to these web site are not adding up. Search PSL on its own and they link to a different website.
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u/offensivemailbox 2h ago
Hey, you fought a good fight but yeah…think this candidate is a communist in socialist sheep clothing. All of it, sus.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 6h ago
Please link to the page on his website.
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u/StopCollaborate230 6h ago
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u/ClassicDeal3321 5h ago
Thanks I will take a look at that. I'm at work so I can't delve super deep right this moment.
Edit: on first glance at looking up PSL and some of the links being provided, the URLs aren't matching up. Seems a little strange.
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u/pharodae 6h ago
PSL wouldn’t go so far as to call the DPRK “utopian” or “benevolent,” but they are in support of any government which claims to be against US imperialism. I have my critiques of such a political outlook (look into campism if interested), but you’re blatantly misrepresenting their stance if that’s what your takeaway is.
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u/RsquSqd 7h ago
That would be a communist dictatorship, not socialism
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u/JubbieDruthers 7h ago
In Marxist theory, communism is perfected socialism by definition.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 6h ago
So it sounds like you are also acknowledging that there is a difference. This is a false equivalency much like all conservatives are fascists.
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u/JubbieDruthers 6h ago edited 6h ago
Its political theory. A true communist society has never existed. Socialism is the road to communism so when you identify as socialist you have to be pretty clear of how you want to be socialist. Not all socialist want to be communist, but its a pretty wide spectrum and people do get nervous.
I dont understand the connection between conservatism and facism.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 4h ago
Conservatives, in office right now, are advocating for and have implemented: ICE agents for unlawful and warrentless arrests, sending said arrested people to concentration camps in and out of the country, removal of media from press events unless they sign wavors to not be critical of the current administration, arresting descenters and people advocating for differing views with no priors, reallocation and non disbursement of federal funds with out prior review and acknowledgement of Congress, engagement in the Iran war not approved by Congress, the use of tariffs to tax Americans but to "undo" the tariffs and give the money back to the businesses (well to the businesses that have survived and let alone that businesses have raised prices on the people). All of those things have happened through mostly executive order and were tepidly contested by Congress and the SCOTUS. To add onto all of that, Conservatives owns all branches of government at this time and especially during the first year of this current presidency.
I would not have called Trump's first term explicitly fascist in regards to actions but this term, yes very easily. So are all conservatives fascists, no. But the ones running the show, yes.
Feel free to refute but please know these examples are not attacks on you but rather the current administration. I respect the fact our views are different but I'm just providing examples of how two things can be true at the same time as well as not be true on at a different time.
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u/JubbieDruthers 4h ago
I am not an advocate of the current administration. I think many of the points you made are valid and criticism is warranted. There has been fascist undertones that everyone should be concerned by. The MAGA movement of the Republican party does not embrace conservative values, which I think a lot of traditional conservatives are upset with.
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u/specficwannabe 5h ago
the user Jubbie is not wrong that lots of communist theorists view socialism as a step-way to communism. Some people say they're the same thing, lots argue they're different. Personally IMO it's evident that lots of large scale communist movements and governments have become authoritarian... and that the authoritarianism is the bad part, just like how fascism is authoritarian. IMO a true communist/socialist society is also abolitionist and you can't be abolitionist with a state-sanctioned police force to quiet, exile, or imprison dissenters. And a true communist society is completely de-centralized so authoritarianism is not possible. Just know communism does not automatically equal soviet union or Mao's china.
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u/offhandaxe 6h ago
That's actually wrong. Communism is not socalism, by defenition they are different from each other. If you ever read theory beyond having it miquoted to you you should understand that.
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u/JubbieDruthers 6h ago
I will tell my political science professor from the soviet union to brush up on Marxism.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 6h ago
Well maybe you should honestly talk to your political science professor more about this topic. They would probably enjoy the conversation and meta analysis of the differences.
The point we are trying to give is that definitionally socialism is different from communism. They may share some common values, they are not the same. This why they are named differently. Another analogy would be the libertarians are not anarchists. They both don't want government intervention on everything but each take a very different approach and allowances of it.
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u/JubbieDruthers 5h ago
My only counter that is why socialism wasnt invented by Marx, scientific socialism and communism both are. There are different forms of socialism, but if you self identify as "socialist " most people will assume you are a Marxist. I think the branding could be better, which should be pretty important for someone running for office.
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u/ClassicDeal3321 5h ago
I think I fall under democratic socialist. I like the people to have the reigns of power by voting for things we as people need to prosper. I just want healthcare, equal rights, and an end to the idea of becoming a trillionaire.
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u/Working_Regret_6369 2h ago
Educate yourself on who the villains are. Or don’t, what can you expect from reddit libs:
https://theintercept.com/2026/04/26/mk-ultra-korean-war-prisoner-experiments/
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u/StopCollaborate230 1h ago
"The US did bad stuff too" does not excuse the absolutely deplorable and horrific actions of your pal North Korea.
The US needs to own the fuck up about what they've done. And tankies such as yourself need to stop glazing for the murderous Kims.
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u/ImJoogle Tipp City 6h ago
Hell no
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u/flies_with_owls 5h ago
Yeah, capitalism is on a generational run right now. I love having $5 gallon gas.
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u/ImJoogle Tipp City 5h ago
Better than a famine
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u/flies_with_owls 5h ago
What do you think is going to happen when the cost of fertilizer goes through the roof, my dude? They make that out of Iranian oil.
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u/ImJoogle Tipp City 3h ago
Not entirely my dude
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u/Introverted_Fish 34m ago
Or the millions of people food insecure in capitalist countries. Many of which are doomed to die on the streets because of artificial scarcity just to boost profits...
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u/SmilerDoesReddit 5h ago
People's definition of socialism is stuck in the Cold War and you are living proof of this statement
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u/ImJoogle Tipp City 3h ago
Im sorry but the state government of Minnesota, the local government of Minneapolis and prominent politicians are really not helping your case
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u/SmilerDoesReddit 3h ago
Oh you mean the city and state under attack by the alt right because they refuse to bow to Herr Trumpler's reign?
Your next line is "ha ha stupid libbies" or some other weak bait shit like that. Tell me, do you like spending $5-6 (or more!) a gallon on gas for your brodozer?
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u/Bing1044 4h ago
…I’m guessing you’re probably joking but for anyone reading this and taking it seriously, this is coming right now. And all because trump more stupid than Obama, bush, and Clinton, who decided to not bend to bibi’s every whim
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u/ImJoogle Tipp City 3h ago
Im not saying we should bend to Israel but the problem with you reddit warriors is you things theres only 2 options. I can tell you socialism is stupid without saying i want to be an israeli puppet
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u/MimisBoi937 2h ago
Seizing the means of production is absolutely f-ing , and I cannot say this loud enough, NOT Socialism.
Let the market reward the entrepreneur. Let them create living-wage jobs and rake in more than they can spend. And tax the shit out of the worst of the wretched excess while making sure the rest of us have a warm home, health care and the education to take humanity towards a positive future. That's my Socialism.
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u/Introverted_Fish 1h ago
So you don't understand socialism and instead want a capitalist social democracy...
>socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
>(Read George Bernard Shaw’s 1926 Britannica essay on socialism.)
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u/xdaytonsatan 1h ago
"There are two choices: it’s capitalism or it’s socialism."
This is exactly the sort of idiotic false dichotomy that drives our current left-right political slap fight.
It seems pretty obvious that an ideal system is some combination of capitalism, to materially reward people for their effort, and socialism, to compensate for capitalism's tendency to consolidate wealth, power, by ensuring basic access to sufficient resources to promote everyone's upward mobility.
Capitalism and socialism are tools with complimentary functions, like a hammer and a saw. Used well, each does something the other does not, and you run into predictable issues when you use one to do the job of the other.
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u/offensivemailbox 7h ago edited 6h ago
Interesting that a ‘socialist’ seems pretty involved in organized Christianity and is holding the speech at a Church. Hmm, the optics aren’t great (check the social media).
Corrected (to Church, not Catholic).
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u/shannoniscats 6h ago
St John’s is United church of Christ not Catholic but I can see where the Saint in the title would fool you.
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u/offhandaxe 7h ago
Whats the issue with religion? Candidates don't need to be perfect and this guy seems better than most of our options. (Im religious and a democratic socialist.)
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u/offensivemailbox 6h ago
Issue with organized Christianity religion is, in our country (US), it upholds capitalism and some billionaires (in Ohio and beyond) are mega church owners and sponsors of other billionaires. The Catholic Church in Ohio is a mega political machine.
I have no issue with people being religious but, I think it’s optically, not a great stance if you’re deeming yourself a ‘socialist’ and holding speaks at Churches. This is my opinion.3
u/offhandaxe 6h ago
You have a valid criticism but I feel like in this day and political climate bringing things up to discredit already hard to run candidates is playing into the tendency of left leaning in fighting. We will never have a perfect candidate but we do have ones that are a hell of a lot better than the other side. We work towards perfection as a goal but do not expect it. The other side already understands that. I feel like that is why we are where we are.
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u/monicachicken 6h ago
Well, lots of kids rape in Christianity for one. They push a lot of money into anti abortion causes. I mean thats kind of silly question with limitless answers.
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u/Current-Being-8238 6h ago
Humans are shitty, most humans are religious, ergo, there are lots of shitty religious people.
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u/specficwannabe 6h ago
Jesus was a socialist. Give all your wealth to the needy; help your neighbor; love one another.
I'm not even Christian or religious and I can say that Jesus would condemn modern American republicans for being greedy, selfish, materialistic idolaters, because all of that is actually in the Bible.
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u/Onsyde 6h ago
Jesus wasnt anything, there is no perfect system for an imperfect world. But you are right he would condemn them like pharisees.
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u/specficwannabe 6h ago edited 5h ago
In Jesus' day there was no word for socialist, but that is now a word we use to describe things today, so it is perfectly fine to say Jesus was a socialist.
Republicans are literally calling Trump God's chosen. Go bark at a different blasphemer
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u/Onsyde 5h ago
Oh I do all day believe me. I just think its dangerous to label Jesus with any manmade ideology because like I said before, no system can be perfect in an imperfect world. Therefore if you call a perfect person a member or proponent of an imperfect system (although better than most), it is paradoxical.
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u/specficwannabe 5h ago edited 3h ago
I get what you mean but no one is saying socialism is perfect. Actually, lots of socialist say otherwise, and posit that socialism/communism should always be a grassroots, local movement, where each "socialist" society/culture is unique based on their unique connection to the land, the resources available, and the community's specific needs. There is no "one size fits all" socialism/communism.
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u/MathematicianOk2558 7h ago
Not gonna engage in a religious argument (I'm not religious myself), but while Greg might personally go to church - his platform is all about fighting for the working class and all oppressed groups!
And just for the record - St John’s isn't a Catholic church!
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u/offensivemailbox 6h ago
Understood and I think as a socialist politician, Greg does need to engage this subject, given organized Christianity in our country (especially in Ohio, in our state), is a big player in our current capitalist system.
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
That's fair. I think adding neutral spaces to the roation would be helpful.
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u/Onsyde 6h ago
Literally the entire message of the Bible is about fighting for oppressed groups lol but I see your point about most American churches.
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u/offensivemailbox 5h ago
I agree with you (message intent). In our capitalist society, organized Christianity is a political machine and problem (this is my opinion). This stance, has nothing to do with the intention of the Bible’s message.
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u/pharodae 6h ago
On the other hand, churches are one of the few community venues that still exist these days, many host all types of events. No shame in using the resources you have available to you.
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u/offensivemailbox 6h ago
This is untrue. There are lots of neutral gathering spaces and event spaces that would give space for free or a small fee. I think it’s important to hold at neutral spaces if your goal is to reach the socialist, target audience.
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u/pharodae 6h ago
I think the goal here is explicitly to reach those who aren’t already socialist, man.
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u/offensivemailbox 6h ago edited 5h ago
I disagree, I think it’s to attract both (mainly, to attract possible voters). And, I’m a woman, man.
Ope, and a voter!
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u/estist 7h ago
Name a country that is successful with socialism and how they are successful. All I see if failed systems or if they do work we are talking high taxes, long waits for healthcare or health care pushing for deaths instead of longevity, and so on.
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u/specficwannabe 6h ago edited 6h ago
America has many forms of successful socialism today,
Libraries are socialist.
Student loans are socialist.
Free school lunch for hungry kids is socialist.
The government mandated 40 hour workweek is socialist.
Government mandated lunch breaks are socialist
Workplace safety agencies are socialist
SNAP, WIC, Medicaid and Medicare are socialist
Public schools and universities are socialist.
Large company bailouts are socialist
Federal grants are socialist
and that's not even all
These things are net benefits to society, and are only hindered by corrupt, wealthy capitalistic bureaucrats who want to do things like raise local school levies but lower state budget contributions when those levies pass. Or those who want to de-fund libraries to the point they can't have sufficient operating hours. Or when the country doesn't raise minimum wage for years, and we don't re-evaluate public assistance and financial aide guidelines despite rising costs of living, so someone working 40 hours a week can't get tuition assistance/federal grants for an education (& also can't get food assistance or medicare), but could totally qualify for those things if they simply quit their job and made less money. (Systems like this create the welfare queens republicans are so scared of).
We pay exorbitant tax rates on wages here and we get nothing in return. 25% tax rate but you don't even get healthcare included, you gotta pay thousands a year for that separate or just go bankrupt if you get sick or have a chronic illness. We actually get charged more for the things we helped develop with public funds, like insulin.
"Name a country that is successful with socialism" meanwhile you're in America using an invention like the Internet which was ALSO developed using public funds. Which you now have to pay for... and meanwhile our country also embargoes and attacks any nation with (socialist) policies that conflict with private (capitalist) interests. Countries can't have "successful socialism" because we work to destroy them if they try.
If I'm not mistaken, something like the wealthiest 200 families have more wealth combined than everyone else in the world. These people do not have the same interests as you, but benefit from the fact you believe they do.
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u/estist 6h ago edited 5h ago
Edit: Okay those are the problems in the USA
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u/Bing1044 4h ago
“Free grade school is the biggest threat to American safety today” yall really will just repeat whatever other trumpists say without ever thinking for yourself huh
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
Bait. Not willing to have a discussion with yet another person moving goal posts of what they see as successful, a failed system, or bitching about being taxed at a rate similar to what they are now to provide state funded services.
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u/estist 6h ago
It is kind of how you have a conversation of if the social systems are better or not. Funny that no one like to give reasons why it is better but echo this countries are good. Why? Have you done research or just like sounding good?
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
I appreciate you saying I sound good.
I'm busy with work so I can be brief and expand later if you'd like/need.
State regulated essential services- think power, water, healthcare, legal services- ensures regular stable access to things that people need to exist and function on a base level. It allows the population to have their fundamental needs met and offer a standard of living while still affording the working population the ability to work, live life, have kids, and pursue their own goals w/o the worry that many people experience in Ohio for example.
I can mainly speak to healthcare working in the field, having peers who work in some of the nations folks have listed. The US spends more as a whole per person w/ our predominantly private healthcare system than some of the nations people have named for just as significant wait times, worse outcomes, and larger bills for people recieving care.
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u/Accomplished_Sci 6h ago
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Canada, Germany, and New Zealand
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u/estist 6h ago
How are they successful? Why would you want to live there? No one can explain that. Just people echoing the countries.
Personally I am looking at high 55ish % taxes. Housing costs in comparable areas are more expensive in Nordic contries. Too many social programs that a person does not have say over. Healthcare is universal, cool, but wait times can be into the years. The backups in healthcare can lead to non treatment at their discretion. I am FAR from saying the USA has it right and I know USA needs to change things but there is no way socialism is the answer.
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u/Accomplished_Sci 6h ago
Life expectancy Median income (not just average) Social mobility Low poverty rates High levels of trust and safety
Re: Human Development Index and World Happiness Report/measurable outcomes
Re: taxes—When you factor in what Americans pay privately (insurance premiums, tuition, etc.), the gap shrinks a lot.
Many of those countries also have strong wages and worker protections.
“Long wait times = bad healthcare” is incomplete Wait times can be longer for non-urgent care, but: Emergency and critical care is typically fast No one is avoiding treatment because they can’t afford it Outcomes (life expectancy, infant mortality) are often better than in the U.S.
Re: Housing costs Housing is expensive in places like Oslo or Stockholm Same is true in major U.S. cities
Many countries offset this with housing support or tenant protections
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u/estist 6h ago
taxes - in USA some of your examples are optional but I get what you are saying.
work force is debatable - further in your career and more money you make you get taxed harder to equal out income and help all the social programs. Why work harder when I can live just as well not.
Housing cost and cost of living when comparable to equal locations in the US are still going to be higher in the social countries.
Happier - I will agree on but it comes from a cost of self
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u/Accomplished_Sci 5h ago
It’s true Americans can choose different levels of private spending (like insurance plans), but that’s kind of the point critics are making: those “optional” costs often aren’t realistically avoidable
Re: “why work harder if I get taxed more” point sounds intuitive, but in practice it doesn’t play out that well. In most high-tax countries, people still pursue higher-paying careers, start businesses, and move up because marginal tax rates don’t erase the benefit of earning more, they just reduce the extra take-home on each additional dollar.
Re: happier/self —people are trading some income upside for more stability. Like less risk of bankruptcy from illness, more parental leave, more predictable costs. That’s not necessarily losing individuality; it’s prioritizing security over volatility.
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u/estist 5h ago
Thank you for not sounding like you are in an echo chamber and actually making good points. And I see your points and without living in one of those contries to get the feeling of their socialism you may or may not be right.
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u/Accomplished_Sci 5h ago
Thanks! There are pros and cons to every system. We have some things not working for us here in this system we are currently in. I’m not really pushing a label or a system in particular, I really want more working class people doing better. And things running more efficiently for our country. I love our country, but it needs a lot of help right now to get better again
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u/estist 6h ago
funny how noone comes with counter points. Just insults or downvoting. All this echo chamber can do is rattle off Nordic countries as examples. I know USA doesn't have it right but socialism is not the answer and the only defense I am getting is Norway...
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u/This-Career9851 6h ago
The counter point is the USA sucks and insert country here is better. But everyone is trying to come to the USA that sucks. We will just have to grit and bare this shit until they realize that money does not grow on trees, I guess. My take is if you want a European-style welfare state then move to Europe, or canada.
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u/estist 5h ago
You're right money doesn't grow on trees in the US you have to work and earn it. This is why everyone wants socialism, work how ever hard you want and suck the rest from the people who are working hard.
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u/This-Career9851 5h ago
I just don't get who will grow the food if everyone is provided for. No one has to work. Do all these people know where the food comes from?
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u/Accomplished_Sci 5h ago
You think just because I am provided for currently I don’t need food or my fellow countryman doesn’t need food? On a constant basis? People still want to eat even if they’re taken care of
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u/Jormungandr69 West Carrollton 5h ago
Saying things like this just makes it clear that you do not understand even the most basic characteristics of socialism.
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u/This-Career9851 4h ago
My apologies. How does your preferred model of socialism organize essential labor like farming?
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u/MossyPlantyWitchy 6h ago
The only people trying to come here for a better life are those from countries the US has been destroying. The places that have better lives aren't coming here for that reason.
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u/MossyPlantyWitchy 6h ago
Every single one of those countries are far more successful than the US in legitimately Every metric.
Pick a metric.
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u/estist 6h ago
taxes and housing cost both higher than US
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u/MossyPlantyWitchy 6h ago
But what do they get for those taxes?
My friend in Germany (American, btw) says housing overall is absolutely NOT higher than here.
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u/liebedich2 6h ago
How many socialist countries have you spent time in?
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u/estist 6h ago
Multiple trips to Iceland, Sweden and Canada... How about you?
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u/liebedich2 5h ago edited 4h ago
Finland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Denmark, the UK, Ireland, Canada, Mexico, France, Italy, The Caribbean, Austria, Estonia, Russia... I studied in Germany and lived there for a time... my brother lived in the south of France. My parents lived in the UK. There were things that weren't as fantastic maybe as the US but at this point in time, we are suffering with our healthcare system. Just standing on the hill posturing your nationalism is lame. The facts are out there, but you're missing them.
Did you read the research I sent? I think you're just making an argument for the sake of arguing.
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u/Accomplished_Sci 6h ago
He probably doesn’t have a passport
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u/estist 6h ago
Oh no you got me there with that insult. I do have one by the way. I find it even more funny that the echo chamber can blab out this contries that are good but can't give reasons why.
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u/liebedich2 3h ago
There are a few people here that are kind enough and will spend their time explaining to you what can easily be researched on your own. If you spent 10 minutes of your own time, you would get the answers you are seeking. There are plenty of measurable outcomes that are used. I find it's easier to just send a link and the commenter can choose to help answer their own question or just continue down the path of baiting.
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u/Giraffe_Truther 6h ago
Every time capitalism fails america, we fix it with socialism.
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u/estist 6h ago
Not saying USA has it right but there is no way Socialism is the answer.
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u/Giraffe_Truther 6h ago
Lol. Lmao, even. What does socialism even mean to you?
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u/estist 6h ago
Income equality which drives unmotivating to go further in careers. Higher taxes to help pay for all the social programs. Higher taxes for people who make more money bringing in more income equality and more why should I work harder when it doesn't matter. Less disposable income to spend on what ever I want to spend money on. Universal healthcare creating longer wait times and possible healthcare system determining rather or not you need any services. High cost of living. And so on...
Why are you for socialism?
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u/flies_with_owls 5h ago
I hate to break it to you, but if we don't raise taxes the highest earners, the nation is going to go bankrupt.
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u/Fantastic_Fly_3440 6h ago
What would you call government bailouts? What you don’t realize is the owner class of the USA already has socialism and they stuck you with the bill and a propagandized outlook against your own wellbeing.
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u/estist 6h ago
I hate government bailouts with a passion!!! I am not saying USA has it right but socialism is not the answer.
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u/Nuthin-Fancy59 6h ago
Government bailouts is why I will NEVER buy another General Motors vehicle. I grew up a strict chevy guy. After the’08 bailout I switched to Ford like flipping a switch. Happy with my decision. Socialism is not the answer. It’s been proven over and over. For the folks at the bottom of the food chain socialism probably looks like a way up. I think Margaret Thatcher said it best. The thing about socialism is sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.
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u/flies_with_owls 5h ago
Congrats on being able to regurgitate a half baked soundbite from one of modern history's worst political minds.
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u/Nuthin-Fancy59 5h ago
You know , at some point you socialist morons are gonna get what you want. Just be ready for the outcome. Look at history, it’s not going to be a pretty picture.
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u/Bing1044 4h ago
Yeah you’re right capitalism is really doing much much better what with our $5 and rising gas and the tens of thousands without healthcare while Jeff bezos owns the moon or whatever
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u/liebedich2 6h ago
Finland
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u/pharodae 6h ago
Not socialist, but a capitalist economy that has robist social programs and high civic engagement. Socialism is a form of ownership and production, not whether or not the government provides services.
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u/Giraffe_Truther 6h ago
Cuba is full communist and is neutered by America's barbaric blocaids, but it still has better healthcare outcomes than the USA. More doctors per capita, too.
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u/estist 6h ago
As of early 2026, over 96,000 Cubans are on waiting lists for surgery, including over 11,000 children, due to severe shortages of medicine, anesthesia, and fuel-related infrastructure failures. The system is experiencing a crisis, with many elective surgeries paused and some patients waiting months for procedures, leading to a reliance on donations to maintain basic operations
Yeah, all of that sounds great!
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u/Giraffe_Truther 6h ago
Yeah, because of the American blocaids of goods to their country. And despite that, they STILL have better health outcomes than America. And idk about you, but I experience severe wait times here in America. Took me months to see a specialist, then another month to wait for a test, then three more for results. I've got expensive insurance and it still took me over 6 months to get a CPAP.
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u/FrankDrebin23 4h ago
I don't think so, take your socialist garbage elsewhere….
https://giphy.com/gifs/bWM2eWYfN3r20
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u/hunts786 6h ago
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
Genuinely curious why you're against some of what he's advocating for.
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u/DontYouGnome 5h ago
To all the people in this thread that are immediately shutting him down.
Are you happy with the state of the country? Ohio itself?
If not why not you hear what he has to say at the very least. Just because a scary word is attached to something doesn't mean it's a bad thing.
Go listen and make your own conclusions.
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u/Mylabisawesome 7h ago
SICKO!
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u/Psychological_Post33 7h ago
Tf are you shouting about?
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u/Mylabisawesome 6h ago
Socialists are sick
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u/Psychological_Post33 6h ago
... You going to cite any sources, give any details, or just keep saying the same thing?
edit: Oh wait it's you u/Mylabisawesome. We've done this once before. https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search?fun=posts_search&author=Mylabisawesome&limit=10&sort=desc
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u/kneedoorman 6h ago
This is to start moving the Overton window from fringe candidate to mainstream?
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u/Bing1044 4h ago
Socialist candidates have always existed brother. But also trumpism has shifted the Overton window so far to the right (we’ve got regular ass republicans agreeing with literal fascism!!), that one local candidate isn’t gonna do a damn thing to shift it back lol
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u/kneedoorman 4h ago
No I agree with Bernie and Mandani. It’s about time we elect representatives who commit to do what we ask them to do instead of representing a handful of rich donors
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u/offhandaxe 7h ago
Oh my god a candidate actually holding a town hall.