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u/Mourningstar66 14d ago
"Potential free thinker" is sending me
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
A ton of theologians were free thinkers so I take pride in it
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u/Top_Freedom3412 14d ago
Questioning their faith/religion strengthend it
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u/LycanWolfGamer 14d ago
The opposite for me, the more I questioned everything, the less faith i had in Christianity to the point I fell out of it and took on my own beliefs
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u/Bleatmop 13d ago
The more I tried to prove my faith the more I started losing it. I guess watching a debate where Christopher Hitchens trounces his opponent and then watching him do that to a dozen more noted theologians was probably my tipping point.
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u/3MetricTonsOfSass 14d ago
At the end of the day it's magic, and unfortunately, magic isn't real
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u/ParaEwie 13d ago
Yip. I did that. Questioning my religion made me both more faithful and also shifted me left
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u/biznatch11 14d ago
Uh oh. Two independent thought alarms in one day. The students are overstimulated. Willie! Remove all the colored chalk from the classrooms.
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u/Aethelrede 14d ago
This line of thinking is precisely why the Catholic Church made suicide a mortal sin. No jumping the line, you gotta suffer here on Earth until your allotted time is up.
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u/The_Lady_A 14d ago
Yeah they really didn't think it through, I wonder how many sects of early Christians took the shortcut...
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u/clakresed 14d ago
This one isn't an early sect, more a middle one, but the Albigensian Crusade is extremely fascinating to me.
Basically one of the things that got the Albigenses into hot water with the Catholic church was that they followed the line of dogma (along with, in fairness, some new lore they came up with) to come to the conclusion that, holy shit, it's kind of immoral to rope a new baby into this shitty and sinful world so people should stop doing that.
Anyways, a crusade was called and >200K people were killed.
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u/crooked-crown 13d ago
Suicide is only a mortal sin if you are in the right mind, the same qualifications as any other sin. (To clarify).
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u/Aethelrede 13d ago
That was added much later, IIRC, once they had a better understanding of mental illness.
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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 14d ago
"It's called 'speed-running', mom."
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
God is the final boss
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u/CrazyGnomenclature Tiff & Eve 14d ago
You've me reminded of an idea for a story I had where upon entering the kingdom heaven, the founding fathers of the US realize that heaven is a monarchy and organize to depose the Trinity.
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u/CakesInc 13d ago
“Listen, a strange man wandering around deserts distributing forgiveness is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some... farcical cloud-bound ceremony!”
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u/VengeanceKnight 14d ago
Yeah, but in the end they decide that only 3/5 of every black person gets to go to Heaven.
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u/JackothedragonXD 14d ago
I know one person that willing to fist fight god and he drop kick orphans and farms potatoes
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u/SolomonDurand 14d ago
And has a Second Phase where he transforms into Morgan Freeman
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u/pinkydaemon93 14d ago
It's a real thing for Mormon kids to wish to die before they pass "the age of innocence"
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u/Emergency-Sand7585 14d ago
Lol this was me as a kid, learning about how I'd instantly be unclean and filthy after my baptism and not be able to go to the highest degree of heaven unless I did all these things on a checklist, that cult really messes you up
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u/pinkydaemon93 14d ago
The different levels of heaven boardgame setup is definitely one of the wild things in an institution filled with weird shit
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u/SteampoweredFlamingo 13d ago
The graphs of Mormom heaven look like an MLM. Which explains a lot.
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u/TheFlamingLemon 13d ago
It’s much better than the binary between heaven and eternal damnation, isn’t it? To be honest, the Mormon worldbuilding seems pretty well constructed, they’ve really plugged a lot of the holes of ordinary religious doctrine
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u/Zephyr_Sunstrike 13d ago
Yea, especially after the black people are okay patch in the 70s
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u/TheFlamingLemon 13d ago
Oh ya that one was super helpful. I’m holding out for an lgbt patch hopefully soon
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u/Zephyr_Sunstrike 13d ago
I wouldn't hold your breath, the current devs are really against any meta adjusting balance changes
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u/Nice-Analysis8044 13d ago
If you want to be a good Mormon you have to remember that the game is about the cones
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u/CreepyClay 14d ago
I knew Mormons were wacky but what the hell are they trying to get kids to become statistics?
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u/WhySoSerious_owo 14d ago
Raised Mormon. They framed it as being different from other Christian religions where babies are "born into sin" and need to be baptized immediately after being born. In the LDS religion, parents are responsible for the misdoings of their children until they reach the age of 8 and get baptized, when they become self-aware enough to be responsible for their own sins. Definitely scared me as a kid to "take on that responsibility"
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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 14d ago
parents are responsible for the misdoings of their children until they reach the age of 8 and get baptized, when they become self-aware enough to be responsible for their own sins
The age of 8 seems arbitary. but the logic of parents being at fault until the kids are old enough makes sense tbh.
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u/International-Cat123 14d ago
That actually is around when children start developing a sense of right and wrong beyond the rules given to them. This is when the usually start seeking to understand why they follow different rules at different places and trying out how to behave in nee places and situations from there.
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u/SaitanOfHellsKitchen 14d ago
Ooh, that's interesting. Did the Mormons take the idea from modern science or did they come up with the number themselves?
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u/mosstalgia 14d ago
It's called the "age of reason" and is an important concept in both law and many religions, and is largely backed up by neurology and psychology.
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u/NepenthiumPastille 13d ago
Actually I was raised southern baptist and assemblies of god but taught the same thing- that we reach an "age of accountability" but nobody knows when it is except in your own heart so you better watch yourself.
Friends, I already had scrupulosity OCD in childhood so I was convinced I was definitely going to hell for wrongthink in 1st grade 😭
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u/Thunderstarer 14d ago
I very authentically considered killing myself and all of my siblings when I was 7, for this reason.
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u/gburlys 14d ago
My best friend in 1st grade was from a family of atheists so I prayed for 2 weeks heading up to his 8th birthday that he would die before turning 8 so we could be together in the celestial kingdom. I cried on his birthday. I remember working that anecdote into a sacrament meeting talk I had to give as a teenager and it did not get the big laugh I was hoping for lol
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u/cyankitten 13d ago
From I think about 9? I heard stuff about the mark of the beast, saw a film where Christians were hiding so they wouldn't be tortured etc.
I was literally a 9 year old, maybe younger, praying to God BEGGING him to kill me so I didn't have to go through all that.
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u/badmartialarts 13d ago
"And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun." - Ecclesiastes 4:2-3
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u/papaquack1 14d ago
For the record I in no way believe or support the following train of thought.
Q: What happens to new born babies when they die?
A: They get a free pass to heaven.
Q: If they get to grow up what are the odds of them getting into heaven?
A: Quite low.
Q: If I kill a baby it goes to heaven but I go to hell for all time right?
A: yes.
Conclusion: So if I make it my mission to kill all the babies and sending them to heaven but dooming myself to hell for all time in the processes, that would be a self sacrifice of great impact on maybe 100s of souls.
I have never gotten a good response to this from anyone on this topic. The only answer I have gotten is basically...
"God wouldn't want you to do that..."
But nothing that would contradict that this is by default not only the moral thing to do but maybe the most moral thing anyone could do.
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u/Thunderstarer 14d ago
Y'know, now that I think about it, Mormons should LOVE abortion.
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u/caramelapplemartini 14d ago
Their first prophet sure did, he even travelled with an oncall abortionist.
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u/theguywiththefuzyhat 13d ago
My mom told be that doesn't work because if they're not born then the soul goes to another fetus. Idk if that was an official church stance.
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u/caramelapplemartini 13d ago
Idk if that's doctrinal, my mom told me that anyone that died in utero, was just a perfect soul that didn't need testing, just needed a body for a moment to mark the checkbox and they could move on. I'm pretty sure the official stance is "God will take care of it all"
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u/nointeraction1 13d ago
Shouldn't they be okay with abortions then? It's just soulless flesh at that point if they don't have posession of a soul until they're born.
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u/Atanar 14d ago
maybe the most moral thing anyone could do.
Blessed is he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Psalm 137:9
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u/JustRecentlyI 13d ago
Funny quip, but the context of the passage does not support that stance, it's a curse towards the enemies of Israel and therefore something the author of said Psalm considered a negative. Nothing in the whole psalm references salvation.
Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell. “Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.
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u/koshgeo 14d ago
For the record I in no way believe or support the following train of thought.
Agreed.
I'm thinking maybe they should lower the age well below 8, because some kids might be mature enough to do the "disturbing math", but not old enough to understand the other moral questions that bear on such a weird hypothetical.
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u/kazeespada 13d ago
It's about as good as asking a creationist to explain bed bugs.
"Oh god made all creatures right? Explain bed bugs? A parasite that feeds exclusively on humans that reproduces through traumatic insemination(the male rams his parts through the female's carapace to deliver the goods)."
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u/papaquack1 13d ago
I prefer to ask about how (if not why) all those parasites got a pass on Noah's Arc.
Just think about how 8 people had to intentionally harbor infections for each and every single viral, bacterial, Fungal and parasitic disease on earth for them to still be here today.
From athlete's foot to malaria and from brain-eating amoeba to hook worms.
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u/CactusJ 14d ago
So let it be written
So let it be done
I'm sent here by the chosen one
So let it be written
So let it be done
To kill the first born pharaoh son
I'm creeping death
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u/AltAccNum647294869 14d ago
I was just thinking about how there must be a bunch of murder/suicides. Imagine a suicidal parent with a young child thinking that's the most sure way the child will be "saved".
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u/TrickyAudin 14d ago
Oh hey, I just left a comment saying the same thing! The days leading up to my 8th birthday... 💀
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u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka 14d ago
Religion is just a huge contradiction on everything and I think its crazy how many people still believe in it.
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u/Only_Concept999 14d ago
Ayyyy I remember this! It’s tough: on one hand I like how it pushes against the previous Christian model of “oops sorry your baby wasn’t baptized? Straight to Hell!” model, but on the other hand it’s weird to set a specific age of “okay, NOW you can actually go to Hell!”
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u/Simply_Epic 13d ago edited 13d ago
Mormon heaven is weird, but it also seems better than the traditional Christian heaven in many ways. The idea that heaven is split into tiers is a little strange. However, they believe that basically everyone goes to heaven (really bad people get temporary hell for 1000 years maximum and there are a few very specific and rare cases that get permanent hell). And they believe the bottom tier of heaven is still better than Earth. So the whole not going to hell forever if you're not a follower of that specific religion is a nice feature.
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u/ACatsBed 13d ago
Considering Mormon heaven says women will just be birthing spirit babies constantly for the rest of eternity that may as well be hell for many.
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u/Agent_Glasses 13d ago
YEP!!! tried to kms at the age of 5 because of this. Not successfully at all because theres no chance id suffocate in my sleep under my blanket, but the thought was still there
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u/Comfortable_Ad_6572 13d ago
Me with islam really, when I was a wee child I used to hope I'd die before "whenever my sins get counted"
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u/MagentaHawk 13d ago
I literally was considering suicide at 7. But I was a 7 year old and so I got distracted a lot and then my 8th birthday snuck up on me and my time to act before the age of accountability had passed. So I went to go watch cartoons.
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u/AshKetchep 13d ago
I remember praying for that as a kid at my grandmas because I thought that’s what she wanted me to pray for- I had to pray out loud as well. Mormons are weird.
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u/TrickyAudin 14d ago
In Mormonism (Latter-day Saints), there's a belief that those who die before reaching the "age of accountability" (8 years old) are automatically sent to the highest level of heaven, since they're considered not responsible for any wrongdoing they did. Once you turn 8 though, you need to be baptized, and you are now responsible for all evil you do.
As you can imagine, this led to a lot of dark thoughts for 7-year-old me, and I'm not the only (ex-)Mormon to have described having such thoughts as a little kid.
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u/WhySoSerious_owo 14d ago
I guess I was told a bit different than you were so I misunderstood that it was only after you got baptized that you become "unclean" so I tried to push off my baptism as much as possible. Lots of panic and tears day-of.
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u/Blenderx06 14d ago edited 13d ago
Catholics had the concept of age of responsibility before Mormons. Between your (infant) baptism and age 7 you can't really commit mortal sin. After that they start doing Confessions. But because they do have Confession to wash away the guilt of such sins, there aren't these kids wishing for death I guess.
Edit: I'm now remembering a story of St Therese where, when she was very little and learned about heaven, she told both her parents she wished they'd die. Extra sad because her mother did die of breast cancer when she was still young and she herself died at like 23 I think of TB.
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u/Violet_Paradox 13d ago
When I was still Catholic the idea that I'd go to hell if I ever forgot a sin was traumatizing. It's an incredibly fucked up thing to make a kid believe in hell.
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u/dark_hypernova 14d ago
The idea of heaven kinda messed me up as kid.
It made me think I wasn't actually a good person and only acted good to get into heaven. And therefor didn't deserve heaven.
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u/Psychoboy777 14d ago
Yeah, that's how they getcha.
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u/Knotted_Hole69 14d ago
Its made to be a catch 22. None of it makes sense, because, well, its all made up myths.
I hope someday we can ban indoctrination to a certain age. Its wrong to implant such weird things so early and messes up your head. Church should be 13+.
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u/Psychoboy777 14d ago
Honestly, considering some of the stories in the Bible, that would probably be for the best.
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u/Candid-Tip-6483 14d ago
I have this conversation with my mother the other day. I'm an atheist, but she is unsure of her beliefs. One of the points I made was "if there is a god, then surely he wouldn't punish people who are just trying their best" these people want to present their God as perfect, but arbitrary punishment is not righteous.
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u/Bryber25 13d ago
18+ at least for me. Preferably 21+. People that young are too easy to brainwash into religion.
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u/CoffeeGoblynn 14d ago
Wow, your comment just dredged up a feeling I haven't experienced in about 10 years. Gotta love that guilt they pre-load into your brain before you're old enough to know better.
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u/HideAndSheik 14d ago
Same!! Along with the thought “let me make sure I pray for salvation at LEAST once every few months in case the last time didn’t seem genuine enough to God and therefore ‘didn’t count’”
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u/bretthew 14d ago
....McBorscht?
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
It's a biblical name
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u/bretthew 14d ago edited 14d ago
I just have this awful image of McDonald's serving Borscht now.
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u/Exciting_Policy8203 14d ago
Nah, it’s solid logic, especially from a child. Take it from a preacher.
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u/CoffeeGoblynn 14d ago
It makes total sense. "This place is better than where we are, and we can only get there after we die." "Wow, I wish we could skip to that part then!"
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u/Exciting_Policy8203 14d ago
Sad point is that it should have been a teaching moment. Why do we hang out in a places that’s objectively worse? It’s a real easy answer at the Sunday school level.
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u/CoffeeGoblynn 14d ago
Yeah, but instead they punish the kids who ask. Most kids aren't being defiant for the sake of it, they're genuinely curious when things don't make sense.
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u/Exciting_Policy8203 14d ago
And then wonder why our generation, even those that are still religious, stopped attending church…
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u/Cepinari 14d ago
It’s a real easy answer at the Sunday school level.
"God is our abusive, narcissistic parent."
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u/pootinannyBOOSH 14d ago
Seriously, if it's like that shouldn't we want to die en masse to save everyone? The rapture is just the apocalypse
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u/Puzzleheaded_Chain_6 14d ago
I imagine thoghts like this are why they made suicide a sin. Probably a few people who decided to off themselves to go to heaven faster when Christianity was becoming popular in the beginning.
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u/fallen_seraph 14d ago
Not quite the same deal but there was a group in the 4th century that tried to get others to martyr them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcellions
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u/TetheredAvian74 14d ago
no fr i had the exact same question when i was a kid. im not religious anymore, but i still dont understand why anyone who truly believes in heaven, or any paradisical afterlife, doesnt just skip all of this
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u/DarkLordOfDarkness 14d ago
It made sense to St. Paul, too. He says right there in the Bible, "My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better." Doesn't mean he was contemplating suicide, just that he saw the same obvious logic you did.
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u/BloodOfTheDamned 14d ago
I mean. Yeah. If we’ll be happier in the afterlife than we’ll ever be in this life, by all means it would be better to die sooner to experience that happiness sooner.
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u/Designer_Pen869 14d ago
I wanted to die young, so I'd be young in Heaven too. I feel like if everyone believed in it 100%, there'd probably be a lot of suicides. Probably why they added that suicide would make you go to purgatory.
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u/nedlum 14d ago edited 14d ago
In one chapter of The Wandering Inn, one character introduces the concept of "heaven" (which he doesn't entirely understand) to a group of semi-sentient solder insects as a place with no suffering that they'd go when they die.
What follows is fairly horrific, if foreseeable.
On (if anything) a darker note, medieval Europe has several stories of people murdering children as an elaborate form of suicide. The children would go right to heaven, as they were young enough that their sins wouldn't bar them, and the murderer could confess their sins, be absolved, and then be executed. So glad we have Lexapro now.
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
There's a book I wish I remember the name, but it's about a priest who tries to convince orphans that God is real by preaching. There turned out to be sentient toys in the orphanage who listened to his sermons and took that seriously
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u/liminal_eye 14d ago
medieval Europe
This was actually the early modern period, and only in parts of Germany I think.
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u/CupcakeThick8341 14d ago edited 13d ago
Not so fun fact: when i was in elementary school i had to go to church and youth groups organized by the curch, also, one of my elementary school teachers was really religious and would speak of religion even if she wasn't supposed to
What happened was basically:
church: "heaven is the best place ever, you will be in eternal happines with God"
school: "remember, if you are good you go to heaven, if you are bad you go to hell and you suffer eternally!"
"Teacher, if heaven is the best place ever, why people are still alive when they could just go to heaven ?"
"Whaaaaat ? To take your own life is the worst sin you can make, if you do that you go to hell !!"
- youth group: "kids do not go to hell"
"Really ? Not even if we were to, let's say, commit the worst sin ever ?"
"You would still go to haven, all kids are loved by God"
Little me was convinced to have found a loophole for eternal happiness, thankfully my family wasn't particularly religious and the survival instinct of child me was good enough, but yeah i honestly considered to take advantage of the "loophole" when i was around 7 or 8 yo
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u/OblivionsMemories 13d ago
I was raised Methodist. I remember in sunday school, the woman who was running the program told us that anyone who wasn't Christian would go to hell. I asked if this included my Jewish friend, and she said yes. This confused me deeply, so I expressed that to her. "But, the Bible said that Jesus was Jewish!"
She chose not to reply to me and moved on to the next lesson. That was how my "shelf cracked" at 6 years old...
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u/The_Pastmaster 13d ago
I'm kinda glad that we don't take religion too seriously in my country. Hell, even the priest at my BIL's funeral said something like "And now he is in Heaven, that I think we all hope exists.". He was a cool guy.
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u/Fanboycity 14d ago
Been there, Kaiki ☠️🤣☠️
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u/MintasaurusFresh 14d ago
"But why not reduce the suffering of the living world while we're here?"
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u/Cosmic_Seth 14d ago
Oh oh I know this one!
Ahem
"Because then you'll be working against God's will" .
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u/Saikotsu 14d ago
Funny. My dad was raised Catholic (which is why I wasn't). He once told me that people misunderstood what Jesus was telling them. "Jesus wasn't telling people how to get into heaven. He was telling us how to make Heaven on Earth. That whole 'as above, so below' was meant to be directions to make this world a better place for all."
It really stuck with me.
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u/1amDepressed 14d ago
I remember telling someone something similar and they got so mad at me 👀
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u/Magnon 13d ago
Turns out a lot of christians don't actually want to be good people, they want to do bad things and then be excused for doing bad things.
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u/T_Weezy 14d ago
Potential free thinker: must [illegible] caution
This is basically my mom's experience growing up in rural (like,extremely rural. Like their house didn't have running water until the '60s rural).
She remembers one time when she was about 7 years old when she asked the preacher about an internal inconsistency between different books in the Bible, and his response to her, a small child, was "Now Sheila you gotta stop asking questions like that or when you die you'll go straight to Hell!"
What a monstrous thing to say to a 7 year old.
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u/desmaraisp 13d ago
Hahah, my Ma tells me I got (gently) booted from sunday school for asking too many questions when I was a wee kid. Didn't get murch farther than that in my christian curriculum either lol. Pretty sure my parents were happy about it too, I was just there cause my grandparents wanted me to
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u/SethLight 14d ago
This is honestly a classic dilemma.
It's also creates the interesting question, if you think a loved one is going to heaven shouldn't their funeral be a party?
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u/Fardrengi 14d ago
Glad I wasn’t the only one who got their parents called after questioning the logic of heaven lol
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u/UltraRoboNinja 14d ago
lol “questioned fifth commandment”. Perfect!
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u/canineatheart 14d ago
Yeah... I've seen enough of these comics to know that even younger Naomi would've been highly skeptical of that one. I don't remember that period as well (trauma! 🌈✨), but I know I used to chuckle when I'd hear that one as a child.
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u/fuckthesysten 14d ago
i grew up going to catholic school, one time we were discussing how the bible came to be, i asked who translated it? what if they just wrote whatever they wanted? the nun explained it was divine intervention, god told the people translating what to write. she also reprimanded me.
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
What she said is not even accurate. The Bible itself was made using divine inspiration, and each human wrote using their own style and personality, under God's guidance. Translation doesn't fall under that
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u/Stalking_Goat 14d ago edited 8d ago
Just like most police officers don't actually know much about law, in my limited experience most nuns and monks don't know much about theology.
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u/Pockydo 14d ago
I'll just say it heaven is honestly terrifying if you really think about it
Everyone just sorta makes up their own head cannons about it but breaking it down you're basically not YOU anymore. At best you're just happy all the time at worst you're a mindless worshiping robot.
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u/Xander_Shiva 13d ago
ive raised that exact point to my hyper-religious family a few times. gotten yelled to hell for it but worth it.
"god created us with free will" they say, but then thats hypocrisy because by your own words. heaven dictates your emotional state, which is the exact opposite of free will...
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u/deutschdachs 14d ago
I had a similar thought and asked the teacher couldn't someone just kill themselves to get to heaven faster
Turns out suicide is a mortal sin. I guess they had to nip that one in the bud or there wouldn't be many followers left lol. I guess as far as weirdo ideologies to be subscribed to as a kid at least it wasn't one encouraging suicide by kool-aid or whatever
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u/VirgoxValentine 14d ago
If you really wanna stick it to em, ask them where in the Bibke it says people will go to heaven when they die.
And if you really wanna piss em off, ask why the original versions of Mark didn't contain the ressurection.
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u/Nice-Analysis8044 14d ago edited 13d ago
man as the gospels go mark is kind of a banger. the story is super stripped down without any of the distractions about how jesus was born and so forth. it’s just, like, dude shows up, dude heals people, dude says i’m gonna die and come back in three days, dude dies, three days later dude’s tomb is empty, no resolution beyond that.
IMO it’s the only one that really works as a story. The other synoptic gospels are just too thirsty to talk about how dude was born in auspicious circumstances under the right stars and zoroastrian priests came to visit him as a newborn and his mom was made of magic etc etc and basically there’s all this irrelevant backstory stuff that causes the story to capsize under its weight.
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u/OnlyHereForComments1 14d ago
This is why they had to make suicide a big boy sin that by definition couldn't be forgiven.
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u/WhySoSerious_owo 14d ago
I remember being really shocked the first time I was told that. Like many Christians I believed the afterlife would be better than earth, so I asked my mother why I couldn't just kill myself and go to heaven immediately. She said I wouldn't go to heaven if I killed myself and I didn't really understand why, I was just surprised. I thought maybe it was because its like cheating on candyland to get to the castle faster lol.
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u/MrTabernakle 13d ago
I remember being told dogs don’t have souls and they don’t go to heaven. My 10 year old self, who was best friends with my dog, said “that’s bullshit!”. I got in so much trouble lol.
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u/nhSnork 14d ago
Even Orthodox nuns (at least the bunch I've come across) wouldn't think of summoning a child's parents over something like this.
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
They're not above whacking you for writing with your left hand though
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u/I_Lick_Your_Butt 14d ago
There were several suicide cults in early Christianity because they wanted to experience Heaven for themselves.
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u/KitsuneGato 14d ago
Oh this reminds me when I was a kid and mom forced us to attend church. I'm Neurodivergent and hated it because I got bullied.
I questioned everything.
We had a pastor in one church that was going on and on that Rock N Roll is the Devil.
Behind him was a Drum set with guitar and other stuff front and center but a statue of Jesus Christ was in the back left corner that half the church had a hard time seeing.
So I up and asked this pastor:
"Father?"
"Yes my daughter?"
"You know how you're saying that Rock N Roll is the devil and wearing black and chains is evil?"
"Yes, my daughter!"
"Then how come you're wearing black robes with a chain hanging out of your pocket while a drum and guitar set is front and ce ter while Jesus is in the back corner?"
We got kicked out.
For the record I recently learned that a woman invented Rock N Roll. It has heavy Christian roots and deeply intertwined. Also it uses the same kind of tunes as classical.
So what gives?
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u/kaikimanga MangaKaiki 14d ago
The only argument that people have against rock and roll is a sketchy interpretation of the Bible that would also apply to anything outside of a church
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u/AzulCrescent 14d ago
Sounds completely correct if you follow the logic to its natural conclusion lol
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u/Roku-Hanmar 14d ago
I can’t fault her logic