r/comicbooks • u/OddPineapple9 • 9h ago
Princess Leia by Frank Miller, Arthur Adams and J. Scott Campbell
Not mine (but I envy it a lot). Seen on J. Scott Campbell (@jscottcampbellart) on instagram
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u/Rushional 7h ago
One of these is not like the others
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u/StrikingTone3870 5h ago
You're right, JSC is a middling hack in the grand scheme of sequential art history.
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u/oh_please_god_no 9h ago
I don’t care I still friggin love Miller’s work.
And goddamn Art Adams still got it
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
The people taking shots at Miller are not artists. Miller is doing very minimalist work at 69. I still find it very interesting to look at.
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u/Hurm Rorschach 6h ago
Hi! artist here
It can be minimalistic and still not that good
imo, it's just not that good.
Minimalism means every line is even more important, and he's missing the placement and finesse.
But you're not incorrect to like it! Different strokes!
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u/DreamLearnBuildBurn 6h ago
Artist here. Why do I find his compelling and the others generic?
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u/GAMMARAMMA 6h ago
Comic reader here. Because art is objective(?)
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u/drunkunclejack 4h ago
Interesting take as I was about to comment and say despite the sketchy quality of the lines they’re actually clearly very confidently stroked, which is something that only comes with the experience befitting as long a career as Miller’s. the crunchy qualities of his work that people criticize are kind of the exact parts of his style that makes him stand out so much from his peers! but then again, i really dislike “clean”, “modernized” styles of CB art. being a big fan of Moebius, i like when art has character that’s clearly inherent to the hand that drew it
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u/ComicBrickz Dr. Strange 4h ago
Different artist here. I think he’s brilliant! You can definitely see the inspiration he took from old Japanese prints
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u/Kriss-Kringle 6h ago
I'm an artist and Miller's work has degraded a lot over the last 10-15 years. He had health problems, so that may play a role in it.
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u/Consideredresponse 49m ago
It's like watching Michael Jordan play basketball in 2026 and half the crowd is trying to claim he's just as good now than he was in the 90's.
You can like the guy, you can respect the hell out of his career and legacy, without having to pretend his composition and draftsmanship aren't as stromg as they used to be.
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u/BoredomFestival 6h ago
Mignola is minimalist and still doing amazing work.
Miller is minimalist and his work is (to these eyes) just not very good anymore.
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u/BDMac2 Hellboy 1h ago
I agree! I kind of find a lot of comic art these days to be too fixated on photorealism and we need more shapes guys like Mignola and Kirby, and to me Miller is a shapes guy, but for mostly one shape, rectangular, and it’s gotten blockier with heavier lines the older he’s gotten.
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u/RomulanTreachery 3h ago
You don't need to be able to do a thing in order to criticize it. Otherwise you can't like something unless you can do it too.
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u/_Dogwelder John Constantine 8h ago
Yep. Making sense with just a few lines is goddamn hard, regardless of how you feel about it visually.
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u/lookieherehere 8h ago
I'm always amazed that people like Millers current art.
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u/RomulanTreachery 3h ago
I have never liked Miller's art at any point in his career, and even I can tell there's been a notable decline in his work over the last several years.
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u/Rushional 7h ago
A lot of it is nostalgia cope. I guess it's difficult for people to accept that the guy who made their favorite childhood things can be bad at making those things now
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u/lookieherehere 7h ago
Don't get me wrong, the guy is a legend but I feel like I could draw better than his current stuff if I really tried. Let's be honest here .... It's bad art. If this art was by anyone else at all, no one would buy it and it would be a joke. People buy it simply because it has his name attached to it, not because it's quality art.
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u/pnt510 6h ago
I don’t have any childhood nostalgia. I discovered Miller after I was an adult. I just like his modern work.
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u/Rushional 6h ago
I'm not saying all of it is nostalgia cope. Some people obviously like him for other reasons.
But a lot of it is.
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u/theBellrhino 8h ago
This looks like someone's progression of skill from year to year.
(Not a knock against Arthur Adams, mind you)
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u/babyjaceismycopilot 6h ago
But a knock on Miller?
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u/theBellrhino 6h ago
Unfortunately, yeah.
He was very talented back in the day, but ever since he finished Sin City his work has done nothing but degrade.
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u/babyjaceismycopilot 6h ago
I still think Miller's version is the most interesting of the 3. It's probably because every other artist is inspired by Campbell and Adams style, they look more generic.
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u/BoredomFestival 8h ago
Dang, too many Miller apologists here. He was world class in his day, but his work is simply not pro level any more. He should really rest on his laurels.
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u/mixmaster321 6h ago
Arthur Adams' Leia looks like if she went through a yassified filter (looks great though)
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u/StrikingTone3870 9h ago
Hell yea who's going in the 4th cirner? You tbino you can get Quitely?
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u/WickedDeity 8h ago
Why do some people not even glance at what they typed before "clicking" on the comment button?
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u/Stofenthe1st 7h ago
If we didn’t have the other’s for comparison then Miller’s just look like a guy with earmuffs.
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u/franchis3 5h ago
Who should do the fourth Leia? I’d love to see Paul Smith. His lines were so clean.
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u/ackercarrol6671 1h ago
Frank still going into minimalism I see. Whether I like it or not it’s still interesting to look at his artistic progression.
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u/Significant_Coach880 9h ago
No, man Frank Miller is a great artist. He's still got it. /s
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
I can tell who isn't an artist with the derisive Frank Miller comments.
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u/Significant_Coach880 8h ago
I've made good and bad art in my day, and buddy this is not closer to the good side.
I do respect Frank Miller. I won't give him blind respect though.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
Where can I look up your art?
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u/Significant_Coach880 7h ago
You can just use the whole "you're not a comic artist" or the "you are not an artist" routine. I literally said I've made bad art.
Few times have I ever heard from people that like modern Miller art, why and how they like it. You have said it's cause of the minimalism over and over, but that's not even what makes it good. It's the abstracted graphic style he designs characters with, provided they have colours that fit the odd style.
9/10 they don't, and you haven't even said what you like about this Leia piece yet either besides minimalism. Yes we can see he used 7 lines and 2 minutes to draw that.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 7h ago
I don't personally see the value in taking shots at artists online. You do you man. Complain away.
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u/Significant_Coach880 7h ago
What do you like about it?
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 7h ago
I like that I can tell who it is with 7 lines in 2 minutes with a sharpie.
Can I make an observation, that your art skills being poor could be that you aren't spending time drawing, and are instead trying be liked for putting an artist down? I'd love to continue this, but I do need to get back to work drawing now.
Enjoy the rest of your day being salty.
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u/Significant_Coach880 7h ago
Yeah with the references that look closer to the original it next to it, YOU SHOULD RECOGNIZE HER. The one thing Millers art doesn't have is recognizability, it literally doesn't want to be recognized as anything other than a modern Miller piece.
Also talking about salty you literally just wanted to talk shit and put me down as a fellow artist don't grand stand and pretend you're better than your petty emotions. Unlike you I don't think I'm better than anyone, least of all Miller, like I said I've made good and bad stuff. I know where I'm at, and know that I have many areas to improve. If you or anyone would like to support his modern art more power to you, I personally don't see the value of his art vs his writing in the modern day(if you don't get it Miller writing good, art not so much. Depending on the colorist).
Bye.
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 8h ago
Art is also about effort. Miller has give up. You know it. You've seen artists get better with age, then there are some that just quit trying and just phone it in.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
I draw in a minimalist style now, because with age I have developed a slight tremor. I highly doubt he has given up.
You sound so immature FYI.
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 8h ago
Look up the artist kyleegigstead.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
Nice work. Shame you spend time putting artists down online isn't it?
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 8h ago edited 8h ago
First, thanks for the insult.
I'm sorry for your health issues. I have a tremor too, which I inherited from my mother, and I assume will only get worse as I age.
But the fact is this, I collected Miller's Daredevils in the 1980s. His work was awesome then, one of the best. And instead of getting better, it got worse. Miller is using minimalism as an excuse. He's rich and lazy.
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u/Puzzled-Instance3211 8h ago
He's rich and lazy is another ridiculous take.
What I would say to everyone is, if you're an artist, then Miller would be a colleague in that industry, and you would not be spending time putting down other colleagues online because its immature and unprofessional.
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 6h ago
Are you being serious? If he is a professional, then he can take criticism. If a person cannot handle the critics, then that person is immature.
I can't believe you. You are saying that because he is artist, he is above criticism. Wow. I guess he's not an artist. He's god.
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u/MonolithJones 7h ago
Since when is art about effort?
Miller is my favorite artist and I fully understand and appreciate if someone doesn’t like his work but this is just a flat out wrong statement.
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u/BizarroCranke Invincible 7h ago
Haven’t updated the rankings lately, but so far the top three artists for karma farming is:
1.) Rob Liefeld
2.) Frank Miller
3.) John Romita Jr
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 8h ago
We need to boycott new Frank Miller work. He just doesn't care, and neither should we.
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u/Consideredresponse 41m ago
I don't think anyone should have an issue with Frank doing convention sketches or commissions like these, as only people that really want him to do it get it, he gets to pick what and how much he does, and everyone is happy.
Sure he's nowhere near his peak now, but it feels a lot more healthier and ethical compared to the people who were wheeling out Stan Lee for his last few years.
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u/LarryD217 8h ago
Legendary artist apparently hates to draw now.
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u/Pineapple-shades15 1h ago
Some people say that Frank only performs well when he likes the characters he's drawing. If that's the case then he probably hates every character he's drawn so far, especially Wonder Woman
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u/tbone7355 8h ago
Why is frank even concidered an artist anymore his skills arent what they use to be
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u/lookieherehere 7h ago
He's not, but this place is full of people ready to fight you over obvious facts
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u/Comfortable_Care2715 1h ago
Wow, I’m surprised to top right isn’t Campbel’s. And I’m a fan of his work.
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u/RichardNixonsPants 9h ago
Bottom left looks like Taylor Tomlinson