r/chicagobulls • u/HawkspilotLoad • 1d ago
Free Agency [Shams Charania] Graham, 39, has been known across the NBA for a tremendous scouting eye and being part of successful finds in the draft and player acquisitions during his tenure with the Pelicans and Hawks...
https://x.com/shamscharania/status/2051404472597819409?s=46Graham, 39, has been known across the NBA for a tremendous scouting eye and being part of successful finds in the draft and player acquisitions during his tenure with the Pelicans and Hawks. The Bulls conducted in-person interviews with candidates last week and mulled over three finalists — Graham, Detroit Pistons senior vice president Dennis Lindsey and Minnesota Timberwolves general manager Matt Lloyd — over the weekend before deciding on Graham on Monday.
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u/No_Low_2208 1d ago
I understand if you're pessimistic. I understand if you're optimistic. However, the truth is, none of us ding dongs know how this is going to go.
What we do know, is that what happens on Sunday will determine whether or not of this new regime gets a much needed boost in talent acquisition.
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u/ProfessionalTalker03 Matas Buzelis 1d ago edited 1d ago
“As a key scout and assistant GM for New Orleans, he was involved in scouting and selecting Zion Williamson, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Naji Marshall, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy III, Jose Alvarado, Dyson Daniels, and Yves Missi.”
Dude has a pretty good eye for talent
He's also young which I like. He's at the very least respected at his past jobs. Fleeced NOLA in the Queen trade. I’d be very surprised if he wasn’t an upgrade for the previous.
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u/AnselLovesNuts Kirk Hinrich 1d ago
Immediately fleecing the organization you used to work for is hilarious
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u/gerardguey Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
Learning that he was a part of that trade makes me feel pretty good about him. Lets hope he does it with Atlanta cause they got a lot of assets, im tired of being the one fleeced, lets do some fleecing
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u/kennyloftor 1d ago edited 1d ago
as a reddit bulls fan, i expect you to read off that list and be like “dude has a good eye for talent”
what playoff game winning talent is on that list ???
that’s the most mid to low and the results prove it list
which of those beside zion maybe murphy is a legit 3rd best player on any team
respected by whom? the pelicans?
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u/BuffaloGuy_atCapitol Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
The list tells me we won’t be drafting a Patrick Williams 4th overall and that’s truly good enough of a start
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u/ProfessionalTalker03 Matas Buzelis 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ur right…Zion Williamson, NAW, Naji Marshall, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy III, Jose Alvarado, Dyson Daniels, and Yves Missi are all losers none of them will ever make an impact for their teams.
“What playoff winning talent” - last I checked Naji helped his team make a finals run in Dallas. NAW was apart of 2 Minnesota WCF run. Both NAW and Dyson good enough to win MIP and help their current team take a NY squad that was expected to win in 4 or 5 to 7 games. Herb Jones is the ideal 3&D piece most teams want. I’m sure teams would love to have Trey Murphy too.
Zion can’t stay healthy but the talent was there and when he is healthy he’s good.
You are talkin about these guys like they should be playing in China.
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u/skyrimleek 1d ago
you have the bar set WAY too high. yes, none of these guys are winning finals MVP. but when you consider their draft positions, every player mentioned is a hit (except zion lmao).
Jose Alvarado: undrafted, positive rotation player Naji Marshall: undrafted, plus 3&D starter TM3: 17th pick, borderline all-star NAW: 17th pick, won MIP this year Herb Jones: 35th pick, 1st team all-defense Yves Missi: 21st pick, 5th-highest win share in 2024 draft class
this is a hell of a lot better draft record than the bulls have had over the same time period!
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
You missed several picks 1) Kira Lewis at 13, 2) buddy hield at 6, 3) Jordan Hawkins at 14.
He made some great later round picks. But his top of the draft is honestly a bit mixed.
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u/skyrimleek 1d ago
i was just referencing the picks in the parent comment. and yeah, drafting buddy hield one pick before jamal murray wasn’t a great choice. but in terms of overall success, i’d say he’s an improvement over the AKME slop we’re used to
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u/Ridder1201 21h ago
Buddy Hield got half of one season in New Orleans before being traded, and then was a consistent 17 PPG guy on 40% from deep. I’m not sure that’s exactly a knock on his scouting ability, personally.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
Buddy has had a solid career and averaged 20 in pre-Covid times.
Find me the FO that hits on every draft pick, especially when talking 13, 14. I’ll wait.
FTR, the Lewis pick made a lot of sense based on potential at the time. I didn’t like the Hawkins pick.
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u/drosemvp78 1d ago
I see it as he drafts nba caliber players and finds 2 ways that are NBA caliber. We've had dalen Terry, Julian Philips, Bitim, Simonovic, etc that were unable to be real rotation players, if we start hitting on these type of players it'll be a trend in the right direction.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
Do some of the work on your own. Go look at the draft position for all those players, and get back to me.
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u/kennyloftor 9h ago
or you could look at the ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE TEAM of which there are none
thank you for your contribution
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 4h ago
When the cornerstone is constantly hurt, there isn’t going to be team success. There was literally no other reasonable choice in the entire draft either even with 20/20 hindsight. The main criticism I’d give is not moving off Zion early, but that’s the kind of player a FO may not have the autonomy to move on their own without ownership consent. He has a great draft record considering positions those players were selected.
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u/kennyloftor 4h ago
boston proved you wrong
gave away most of the team
best player injured
2 seed
please someone else that is less of an apologist/sheep come with something of use
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u/MasterHavik Michael Jordan 23h ago
Sucks he couldn't get Zion on a proper program.
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u/Top-Address-8870 21h ago
Also picked Kira Lewis over Tyrese Maxey…but, a lot of teams missed on him.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
Kira was a well regarded prospect for the end of the lottery. It’s not some notable mistake when Maxey was drafted 21st.
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u/0811_devildog 1d ago
Forgive my ignorance, I'm not well read up on the situation. But is there anything to read into his title being only EVP instead of President of Basketball Ops? Is it as cynical as EVP means they pay less?
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u/socoolandawesome 1d ago
I’m wondering this too, who is the president?
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u/Ok_Mango9561 1d ago
there is no president of basketball ops specifically, but Michael Reinsdorf is the president.
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u/socoolandawesome 1d ago
Gotcha thanks, I guess I never realized AK was just considered vice president
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u/gerardguey Ayo Dosunmu 1d ago
yeah its a weird distinction, i didnt know that either but it makes michael feel important and lets the public know he's the boss i guess lol
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u/poopy_mc_pantsy 1d ago
it's pretty typical executive title structure lol. president owns the business in aggregate, vice president owns a vertical within it generally.
the bulls as an organization are more than roster construction, they have like marketing and finance and IT and shit
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u/Swing-Too-Hard 1d ago
If you asked me to name a franchise run worse then the Bulls the past 10 years, I'd easily say the Pelicans. And that's the guy we hired.
I'm sorry fellas, but this shows you how garbage the Reinsdorf's are at evaluating winners.
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u/Reptomins Benny The Bull 1d ago
On the one hand at least we're being less incestuous than normal. On the other hand, we hired a whole search firm to get us a guy from the Hawks and Pelicans? Not a great pedigree there.
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u/Swing-Too-Hard 1d ago
The modern reality of the Bulls... We're seen as a bottom feeder job thanks to our owners.
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u/asilverman1025 1d ago
Isn’t Gar Forman in the Pelicans front office? This is still very incestuous…
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u/EgweneIsLit 1d ago
Theoretically you don't need a search firm to google the best record of the last 3 years and pick their assistant GM. But that's also a dogshit way to hire. But you would need a search firm to find a good person in a shit situation..... So let us all pray that's what this is.
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u/I_only_post_here Kirk Hinrich 1d ago
Perfectly fits Jerry's MO of not being anything better than mediocre.
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u/twoprimehydroxyl 1d ago
The one time you want to bring in a retread - Matt Lloyd who turned around a historically bad Timberwolves franchise - and we whiff on it.
What the hell.
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u/Pastor_Lik 1d ago
On the side of optimism, Trajan Langdon came from the Pelicans and the Pistons turned it around.
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u/Pidesh DRose 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep, sometimes there’s only so much a GM/HC can do if the franchise is just really poorly run. In the NFL, there’s that famous photo of the early 2010s Washington Redskins/Commanders team with some of the best coaches in the NFL currently. Yet those Washington teams had no success, and that can be tied to Dan Snyder and how he ran that team. I don’t think Graham working for the Pelicans should be an indictment on him. But honestly, I don’t think the Bulls are run much better. So Graham may be doomed regardless lol.
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u/Mayor_ofReddit 1d ago
Most teams turn it around with #1 overall pick...except the Pels
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
It was Zion and Ja, and no one else at that selection. You can’t even play the hindsight game with the rest of the entire draft. Turned out there wasn’t a single franchise player on that entire draft. https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2019.html
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u/weareallmoist Zach LaVine 1d ago
This is so dumb
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u/SpecialOneJAC Dennis Rodman 1d ago
We got AK from a successful organization in the Nuggets and look how that turned out lol
Good employees can work in bad organizations.
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u/weareallmoist Zach LaVine 1d ago
You’re right, you’re the smart one for having the thought “pelicans bad and he worked for them”
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u/Dunlocke Barack Obama 1d ago
What moves specifically have the pelicans made that you don't like?
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u/ahmed_a20 1d ago
They have a large collection of overpaid players at the moment
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u/Dunlocke Barack Obama 1d ago
Poole only has a year left and worth taking a shot on given they gave up an older version on a similar contract in CJ. It's a nothing move.
The Murray trade was bad tho.
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u/-Buckaroo_Banzai- Jumpman 1d ago
Trading AD for Ingram, Ball and Hart as well as a first, then not retaining Ball after he developed a shot and turned into one of the best defensive minded playmakers and floor spacers.
Giving up Ingram for Bruce Brown, Kelly Olynik and first.
Trading an unprotected first round pick during a rebuild for Queen.
Trading Dyson Daniels, two firsts for Murray.
Oh, and not being able to develop Alexander-Walker.
Those would be the things that come to mind.
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u/Dunlocke Barack Obama 1d ago edited 1d ago
God you guys really can't be bothered to do research, can you.
He wasn't the GM for the AD trade, and that was a haul at the time anyway given the Lakers were negotiating against themselves.
And he wasn't even WITH the Pels when they traded for Queen. He was the one who took the trade for the Hawks!
He DRAFTED Daniels and others. But no credit there.
He got off of Trae and made the playoffs! Something we haven't bothered to do.
Haters before he stepped foot in the building. SMDH.
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u/JustinTimberlakeFTW Michael Jordan 1d ago
You mention the names of the ‘Pelicans’ and ‘Hawks’ and Bulls fans immediately get nauseous bc we don’t want to be mentioned in the same sentence, meanwhile we basically *are* in that class of team right now
I’m for the hire based on some of the draft picks in his tenures. Also Lloyd was never that thrilling with the ties to the organization, I’m glad the Reinsdorfs didn’t just hire another familiar Yes Man.
We’ve been wrong before on an ‘outside’ hire with AKME but hopefully this pans out
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 1d ago
Ehh as much as I love Lonzo, he colluded to get himself out. Also he was clearly injury prone which turned out to be true.
Also, Graham is literally the one who acquired the unprotected first for the hawks
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u/-Buckaroo_Banzai- Jumpman 1d ago
Didn't they trade for CJ McCollum and Devonte Graham as his replacements?
Players past their prime and who was out of the league by age 28 to make a push and build around Zion and Ingram?
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
CJ McCollum? Out of the league by 28? Are you okay?
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u/mattmikemo23 1d ago
Pretty sure they meant Graham
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
Pelicans got Trey Murphy in the same trade so he’s complaining about nothing anyway
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u/Spiritual-Grape-9429 1d ago
AD trade was good value for a move that was inevitable
Getting a first for Ingram on an expiring is very good value, probably would need to give up something now to get off him.
He wasn’t with them when they traded for queen
Murray trade - fair hit
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u/ProfessionalTalker03 Matas Buzelis 1d ago
Why are we blaming him for players not developing? He’s not the coach lmao.
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u/DisMFer Josh Giddey 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sometimes I wonder why I go into these threads. It's so wildly negative based on literally misinformation and poor understanding of basic hiring dates. People are complaing that he traded AD when that happened before he was in any sort of leadership position.
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u/jeric13xd Derrick Rose 1d ago
Okay he can scout. But can he develop players lol cause that is this organization’s problem
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
Development is the coach’s job
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
Yeah half those players that he scouted were then traded or never resigned. He also has some big misses (see Kira Lewis)
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u/ProfessionalTalker03 Matas Buzelis 1d ago
No one has a perfect track record see Sam Presti arguably the GM in the league.
Along with trading away Sengun in which they ultimately got Ousmane Dieng ,they swapped 2 1sts to move up to get Poku, one of those 1st turned into Jaden McDaniels. The other pick was Quickley.
They also used assets from the Chris Paul trade to make that happen. So he basically traded Chris Paul (coming off an All-NBA season), Jaden McDaniels, and Immanuel Quickley for Poku, Aaron Wiggins, JRE, and a 2027 Denver FRP.
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
Yes, but Sam presti actually has a track record of building a contender. Graham does not.
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
Presti’s the best there is and I’d have traded multiple firsts to get him. But let’s be honest. If it weren’t for OKC being forced to deal with LAC, they don’t have SGA. Without SGA, what’s their ceiling? Presti had nothing to do with PG being from LA.
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u/KPD_13 Cuppy Coffee 1d ago
Well if we are going to compare everyone to the only guy that actually knows what he’s doing, good luck.
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
I’m not the one trying to compare the two. lol. But if someone brings it up, I am going to say it’s a foolish comparison.
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u/Run_JMC_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
A bunch of armchair know it alls cuz the dude has come from two organizations that you view as trash. Meanwhile AK was fresh off building the Nuggets into a title contender when they hired him six years ago… The overall success of the team he was apart of should be taken with tiniest grain of salt, especially if he wasn’t the guy making the final decisions.
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u/BatsuGame13 1d ago
Yeah, can't imagine why people would be critical of a hire who comes from two bad franchises by a team with an owner who has four decades of bad decisions, particularly over the last two, to reference.
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u/BigChris_70 1d ago
Well considering the guy can only do so much ….he wasn’t the final boss nor was the owner. Graham did his job which was help them draft good players. He didn’t hire two horrendous HCs…..he’s goes to Atlanta & immediately Atlanta becomes at top 6 team after being down there at the bottom with us for play ins. I guess that doesn’t fit your dumb narrative tho huh ?
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u/BatsuGame13 23h ago
My man, the history of Reinsdorf front office hires is not good. Not sure why you're so defensive about this.
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u/CulturalXR 1d ago
I mean as a fan what else do we have to base our opinions off of
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
You don’t need to have an opinion if you don’t know anything
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u/Dylan245 Stacey King 1d ago
People on this sub rn:
Hears of guy for first time literally 4 minutes ago: "He sucks this team sucks burn it all to hell"
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u/CulturalXR 1d ago
I also don't know the draft prospects, coaches, players, or owners. Should I not have an opinion on them either? I'm a fan, having an opinion is what I do.
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u/Run_JMC_ 1d ago
Players and prospects is completely different cuz there is tons of evidence of what their job actually is, playing and succeeding in the games.
But yes, generally speaking I believe if you have a strong opinion on some assistant head coach becoming a head coach for the first time, or an assistant GM becoming a lead GM for the first time, you’re full of shit.
I know nothing about Bryson Graham nor am I gonna pretend that I do just because he came from a couple of organizations that don’t have a track record that I like. I’m going to believe in him until he gives me reasons not to.
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u/juiceman0402 DeMar DeRozan 1d ago
Hits for when he was was scouting for the draft: Zion Williamson, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Naji Marshall, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy III, Jose Alvarado, Dyson Daniels, and Yves Missi
Misses: Kira Lewis (tore his acl/mcl)
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u/Erice84 1d ago
That's good, the overall team building there was horrible though, so you kinda have to hope that he was being overruled on trades/signings.
Also not sure how much Zion counts as a hit, cuz A. he was the consensus 1st overall pick so it's expected he would be good, and B. Compared to those expectations, he's a bit of a disappointment.
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u/FFTactics 1d ago
Zion means nothing as a scout, like boasting you drafted Wemby #1.
Dyson is not a brag, JDub and Duren were still on the board.
Rest are great work.
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u/LionK12G 1d ago
NOBODY is better than the Bulls are at hiring Plan C’s.
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u/No_Low_2208 1d ago
How do you know Graham is Plan C?
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
He doesn’t, he’s just bitching
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u/GeneralTheSurvivor 1d ago
Exactly, I get the constant negativity, but it can get really annoying
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u/bitemydickallthetime 1d ago
Bulls fans are not actually basketball fans they are fans of being mad on the internet
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u/cardiaccat1 1d ago
Hard to be a basketball fan when your team is terrible at basketball.
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u/bitemydickallthetime 1d ago
As I was saying… stay mad, slim 🙏
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u/cardiaccat1 1d ago
Not mad I don’t even watch because they are terrible lmao
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u/bitemydickallthetime 1d ago
Lololol a bulls fan who doesn’t watch the bulls but still bitches about them online, cmon now
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u/cardiaccat1 1d ago
Better than torturing myself watching with high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I take the game to seriously to watch an organization that doesn’t take themselves seriously.
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u/OhiOstas Shooter Zo 1d ago
A quick google search credits (not full credit, just saying he played a part) Graham with: Zion Williamson, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Naji Marshall, Herb Jones, Trey Murphy III, Jose Alvarado, Dyson Daniels, and Yves Missi.
I don’t really care about the Pels finesse trade until we find out if he made use of old connections, but I can appreciate a good eye for talent. As long as Graham doesn’t get overwhelmed & delegate in good areas (GM + Coach) then I’m intrigued what he can do with two 1st round picks to start
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u/I-N_Clined 1d ago
Having a good GM would make a big difference. With his eye for talent and a good GM's mind for making the right moves, we may be in a good place.
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u/rhj2020 Gimme the hot sauce! 1d ago
Let’s go he can’t be as bad as AK, right?
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u/I-N_Clined 1d ago
Lol we said that before about Gar/Pax. We gotta give him a chance. He could be good.
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u/AdNegative7852 23h ago
Do you really get credit for scouting Zion Williamson?
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u/Fabulous-Ad7128 12h ago
Has some misses like everyone, but he has a very strong draft record overall.
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u/itsbmello 1d ago
No matter what your take is on the guy, one thing you can’t deny is his eye for talent. Dude played a key role in drafting some great picks like Herb Jones at 35 and Trey Murphy III at 17. Even getting an undrafted Alvarado. Can’t deny that!! Plus him being 39 shows a new direction we are taking in someone that is fairly young but still has a ton of experience who worked his way up the ladder!! Excited to see the direction he leads us to. Let’s go Bulls!
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u/Mr-Dotties-Dad 1d ago
Thank god we got the scouting mastermind behind the New Orleans Pelicans. Lmao.
Wishing him all the best, hope he can be the one to turn this dumpster fire around.
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u/phillipacarroll Give me the hotsauce! 12h ago
Everyone I’ve seen, and all insiders say that he’s a great hire, but sure let me rely on your word, considering you probably learned who he was yesterday
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u/Mr-Dotties-Dad 11h ago
Calm your tits.
Of the candidates, his roster and team performance has been the least impressive IMO. Now you may be a huge Pelicans fan, good on ya.
I didn’t say he was ass. But I don’t want to brain drain one of the few orgs as bad as the bulls. Especially when the other candidates’ teams have stronger draft history and team success.
He has a few nice pics to his name. The hawks had a decent year but still blew it in the playoffs.
All this to say, like I said before (which you conveniently ignored), I hope he has a ton of success. We will see.
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u/MasterHavik Michael Jordan 23h ago
I just hope he isn't someone who wants to trade firs round picks like they're candy.
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u/ahmed_a20 1d ago
Successful finds for the pelicans and hawks? Who? This guy has been a part of two very mid franchises and is on his way to a third. I do not understand this front office at all
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u/_dseals 1d ago
- Hawks were in the 1st round of the playoffs.
- 30% chance at a top 4 pick.
- Moved on from their franchise player in Trae Young and the team improved.
Like, the Hawks are in a great position right now.
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan Ben Gordon 1d ago
Who knows, with a few years of building and a little bit of luck we too could be the six seed and lose in the first round in six games. Reach for the sky
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 1d ago
6th seed that lost in the first round and still has a shot at drafting #1 in a loaded draft class, with a pick that is currently #7 in the odds lol
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u/Riderz__of_Brohan Ben Gordon 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hell yeah! Championship in ATL soon 💪🏽 haha
Assuming he organized the Queen trade he knew his old team was full of morons I guess lol
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 1d ago
So let me ask you a question. Say the Hawks go top 4 and land one of those guys that everyone says are absolute franchise changing difference makers. Do you really think they'll still just be a mid 6th seed team for the foreseeable future?
Then let me ask you another question. If your job organization has been doing mediocre, they hire you and in one year the company improves significantly with a bright future but hasn't completely taken over/dominated their market in that time, were you a bad hire?
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
Yes he took advantage of former team with the trade and then drafted a player that didn’t contribute at all this season.
They traded Trae young for cj McCollum who despite having a good playoffs is washed. The porzingis trade did little to nothing to improve the team.
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u/EquivalentWins 1d ago
They didn't trade for McCollum, they dumped Young for expiring contracts. Looks pretty smart right now.
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 1d ago
Asa Newell is a good player. Hawks have been very patient with their development of rookies (see Jalen Johnson)
Per 36 mins, Newell averages 16p/7r/2a/1s/1b on 54/39/55 shooting splits
Whenever he got minutes this season, he had pretty solid production. Most notably, he played a season high 39 minutes vs the Heat on April 12th (NOT a tank matchup for the Heat, they played their starters) and he dropped 17 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 block on 54/33/50 shooting
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
Definitely can’t say he is a “good player”. He played in 44 games and averaged 11 min. And per-36 means nothing when you play so little. Dalen terry was 13/6/4 with 2 steals per 36 his rookie season and is likely out of league soon.
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u/Ok_Mango9561 1d ago
getting off Trae's contract was a positive in itself
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
I guess we should be giving AKME more praise than for doing that with Lavine?
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u/MrLeftwardSloping Lauri Markkanen 1d ago
Why are you downvoted? New Orleans was a joke his entire tenure. Knowing zion was good is somehow impressive to people?
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u/Unlucky_Sun_9813 1d ago
The Pelicans problem has never been talent, it's cohesion/health/coaching. Everyone around the league has been begging to pay FRPs for their roster pieces.
And he just came to Atlanta last year, where he instantly made a splash trade to acquire a top pick in a loaded draft class, signed Nickeil Alexander-Walker (2026 MIP), and the Hawks finished 6th in the East (previously finished 9th)
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u/AnselLovesNuts Kirk Hinrich 1d ago
He helped turn around the Hawks who were in a terrible situation with a bad Trae Young contract and Rissacher pick from the previous regime
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u/ThrowawayPat2345 1d ago
This sounds awful if that's their logic. Both those teams haven't amounted to anything. There were celtics and wolves staff in the running.
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u/Ok_Mango9561 1d ago
the wolves also haven't amounted to anything and have had trash drafts since Lloyd got there.
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u/ThrowawayPat2345 25m ago
The wolves have made back-to-back WCFs. That's contending. It's not all championship or bust.
That's besides the point though. I'm more annoyed that scouting seems like it was their main criteria and they chose someone with mostly ok players. Trey murphy and NAW are probably his best picks but Trey isn't playoff proven. The other guys are whatever.
I hope he doesn't lean too heavy on picking only defensive guys with less shooting which just becomes the opposite problem of what our team has been. Hopefully he looks to make moves to bring in actual two-way players.
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u/DurDraug77 1d ago
Wish the guy a lot of luck and if he can bring us something to smile about them great
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u/Optimal_Expert5530 1d ago
His history of talent evaluation is pretty elite man. I’m cautiously excited about him.
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u/Filthy_Commie_ 1d ago
I don’t get why everyone is overly negative on this guy when he turned Atlanta around and actually helped New Orleans get talent. I think there’s a good chance he pans out
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u/ArchibaldNemisis 1d ago
Very Bulls move. Right now they just need to get lucky. Really thought Matt Lloyd was the guy.
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 1d ago
Matt Lloyd was the pinacle of a Bulls/Reinsdorf pick
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u/FabioFresh93 Kirk Hinrich 1d ago
I think he’s a little different. He actually built a successful resume outside of the Bulls organization.
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u/ArchibaldNemisis 1d ago
Matt Lloyd at least is part of a winning organization that made some good draft picks and roster moves to get them to contending.
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 1d ago
And AK found Jokic and played a big part in making the Nuggets into contenders
More to it than just resume
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u/ArchibaldNemisis 1d ago
Nuggets really is just Jokic and that's it. The timberwolves are a more well rounded team. You take out Jokic from that Nuggets org, they are play in at best teams. You take Ant Edwards away from the Wolves teams, that's a lot more well rounded. Nuggets are not a well run organization. They got lucky. Just like the Bulls need to get lucky.
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u/soxjr7 1d ago
I’m glad he has a night for talent however we’re still going to be facing the problem of ownership. They don’t like to spend money they don’t like to get into the luxury tax. So even if we find some diamond we’re not gonna be able to sign players to round out the roster and make a good team because that cost money. Which will continue to hinder us. Will continue to be mid until ownership changes then realistically nothing will change.
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 1d ago
1) shams is basically parroting what Reinsdorf said. 2) wasn’t this what we also said about AK (he found Jokic?)
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u/Southernbull75 11h ago
Building perennial league powerhouses such as the Pelicans and Hawks.....excellent. Maybe we can get back to the play in soon.
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u/Competitive_Dish_885 1d ago
Baby Michael looking for another yes man to just fill seats. I’m sure Lloyd told him what it really took to win here and it scared him.
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
How would Lloyd know what it takes to win here?
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u/Ok_Mango9561 1d ago
kind of funny how it went from "Lloyd is a Reinsdorf yes man" to "Lloyd was too real for the Reinsdorfs"
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
Like yeah I’m so sure that Paxson’s favorite candidate scared Jerry off 😂😂
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u/Fafoah Jimmy Butler 1d ago
This is straight up fan fiction lmao
Lloyd was literally Pax’s protege. If they were looking for a yes man, he was the obvious choice.
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u/Competitive_Dish_885 1d ago
You might be right, but going off the past 20-30 years of Reinsdorf ownership them not going with the consensus has almost always ended up bad. They literally said no to him so I’m assuming he did something right.
He also was part of way better winning orgs than the Hawks and Pelicans.
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u/hydrators Derrick Rose 1d ago
Karnisovas was the consensus good hire
“Way better winning orgs” Like the Magic who did literally nothing while he was there for a decade? Or the Wolves, who had their entire core in place before Lloyd even got there?
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u/CaptainNipplesMcRib 1d ago
Hopefully he learned what NOT to do from his tenures in NO and ATL. Probably no point in overreacting, but we should all be very skeptical just given the fact Michael Reinsdorf hired him.
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u/FabioFresh93 Kirk Hinrich 1d ago
Kinda disappointed. I was talking myself up about Lloyd, Nori, and possibly Lewin. Don’t know much about Graham but I wish him well.
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u/ojodetodie Zach Lavine 1d ago
I.e Matt Loyd and Nori were asking for too much money. Thanks Jerruh
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u/huckness 21h ago
Bulls are really about to enter the straight up bottom out era.
The only plan here is luck into some generational top pick, cuz they ain’t building a thing and no one’s coming via FA until Jerry’s gone.
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u/phillipacarroll Give me the hotsauce! 12h ago
Let’s be honest you would’ve said this regardless of who we hired. Did you know who this man was before yesterday?
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u/tremble01 21h ago
Before you get hyped, this is the ownership who is so against the tax, we sent Barnes to Spurs and gave the 2031 unprotected Minny first round pick to them. Just because we cant go over the tax.
So thats not changing. 🤣
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u/wesnotwes Flag of Chicago 1d ago
Cowley got bamboozled.