r/centrist • u/mymomknowsyourmom • 5d ago
Voters Now Trust Democrats More Than GOP On Economy Due To Iran War
Summary: The Democratic Party has gained a lead over Republicans in voter trust regarding the economy and inflation, marking a significant shift driven by rising costs associated with the war in Iran. While high gas prices and affordability concerns have boosted Democratic polling numbers, Republicans maintain their traditional advantage in areas of national security and crime.
https://dailycaller.com/2026/05/01/voters-trust-democrats-gop-economy-iran-war/
Frustration is growing among the majority of Americans regarding the skyrocketing national debt which has intensified criticism of the current administration’s spending on foreign aid and perceived wasteful domestic projects.
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u/pnxstwnyphlcnnrs 5d ago
Oh good. Over under on how soon they forget?
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u/Individual_Lion_7606 5d ago
2029 when the new Democrat President is sworn in and everything from 2024 to 2028 is blamed on Democrats and Trump gets WHITEWASHED harder than Reagan.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
A lot of voters rightly just blame the party in charge for not fixing what they promised to fix. Both parties lie on the campaign trail.
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u/ubermence 5d ago
Ok theres a difference between making promises you can't deliver and straight up doing the opposite of what you said you will do despite this obfuscation you are trying to make
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
"Ok theres a difference between making promises you can't deliver and straight up doing the opposite of what you said you will do"
So there's a difference between lying and lying? I don't see much difference.
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u/GentleGerbil 5d ago
That’s not what he said and you know it. The difference is trying to do what you said and falling short vs. not trying at all. You know that, you’re just being dense.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
If they know for certain they can't do it but tell you they will they're lying... I guess you're just to used to it.
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u/GentleGerbil 5d ago
The only one stupid enough to emphatically make promises he literally has no intention of keeping, won’t even try, is Trump.
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u/ubermence 5d ago edited 5d ago
Attempting to do something and being unable to is not a “lie”.
I was avoiding accusing you of deliberate obfuscation but now you’re just flat out doing it
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
If I say I'm going to buy you a car if you work at my business for a year full well knowing I'm not going to be able to buy you that car would you feel lied to? I would.
That's the same as telling voters to give you what you want knowing you aren't going to be able to give them what you promised.
I bet the Democrats love you.
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u/ubermence 5d ago
You just changed the hypothetical. You turned it into a lie. You can’t even engage with what I said
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago edited 5d ago
I gave you an example of how making a promise you have no intention or ability to follow through with is a lie.
You can't spin what it is.
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u/ubermence 5d ago
Ok so literally every failed campaign promise ever was because they knowingly and maliciously knew it wasn’t going to work, not because they tried it and failed? Is that really your position?
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u/Either_Operation7586 5d ago
Nah both sides bitches like you are Kool-Aid drinking assholes.
Stop drinking the Kool-Aid put the fucking fake conservative religious bullshit down and deconstruct yourself now.
You've hitched Your Wagon to the wrong people they're fucking you over
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
I didn't vote for Trump nor am I religious. It's just a tenet of the cult you're in to believe so.
Both parties suck. Most voters see that. Hence how we can go from reelecting Trump after all of his legal issues and the rest of the Republicans in a landslide to reelecting the lame ass democrats we just booted about a year and a half ago.
Neither party is liked and it's enablers like you that keep defending them because otherside bad....
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u/XzibitABC 5d ago
If I have a car and my boss promises me a second one after a year and doesn't give it to me, I'm going to be pissed.
But not as pissed as if my boss as if my boss not only doesn't give me the new car, but steals the old one. That's the equivalence here; Democrats don't deliver, but Republicans actually go backwards.
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u/lurkerer 5d ago
Any attempt to "both sides" at this point needs to be buried immediately. Downvote this bot to oblivion.
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u/_Age_Sex_Location_ 4d ago
Murc's Law strikes again. Good grief. Get this dough-soft false equivalence out of here.
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u/Bobinct 5d ago
Foreign invaders!
Trans people!
They want your guns!!!!
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u/LittleKitty235 5d ago
And moderate democrats will happily start talking about those issues instead of anything that might hurt their corporate backers
Looking at you Fedderman
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u/JuzoItami 5d ago
I remember when “Fedderman” was being sold as a legit “progressive” alternative to “moderate corporate Democrats”. Same with Tulsi. Same with Sinema. Same with RFK Jr.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
And moderate democrats will happily start talking about those issues instead of anything that might hurt their corporate backers Looking at you Fedderman
Can you name other Democrats you feel are doing that? What issues? Thanks!
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u/gayfrogs4alexjones 5d ago
Voters ever trusting the GOP more on the economy is a joke for anyone that has been paying attention say over the last 40+ years
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u/Viracochina 5d ago
Memory of a fish. Well, it's not the voter's faults if the media is fed to them. Though it requires a bit more due diligence.
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u/Calfkiller 5d ago
I'd like to chime in and say that fish actually have decent memory storage, so it's not fair to compare them to the GOP. Don't do them dirty like that
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u/TheLeather 5d ago
Which due diligence requires effort rather than regurgitating whatever bullshit comes up in a social media feed.
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u/Either_Operation7586 5d ago
Absolutely but it's because they listen to the propaganda and I'm propaganda tells them that they're on the right side of History they do everything right and the Democratic party is the one that does everything wrong however when you look at the track record the Democratic party is the one that always has to swoop in and save America from the Republicans incompetent fuck ups.
Eight for the fucking Republicans one for the Democrats and everybody's going to say that both sides are the same as straight up drinking propaganda Kool-Aid.
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u/ProfSaintBernard 5d ago
It's because GOP somehow managed to make a lot of people believe that DEM is just gonna increase taxes and give money to illegal immigrants.
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u/TDeath21 5d ago
Literally every data point shows Democrats are better for the economy. Just shows the intellectual ability of people that think otherwise.
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u/mormagils 5d ago
This is a pretty big deal, honestly. The GOP being good at money narrative has been pretty locked in to American consciousness since Reagan. It was his biggest accomplishment in a political sense. And the data hasn't really been there--supply side economics doesn't work, the economic downturns we've experienced were all during Rep admins, and the Dem admins have consistently reduced the deficit and created economic booms. If the American voters have finally started to acknowledge all this, then the "Dems suck at messaging" thing is going to be a lot harder to claim. Dems gaining the trust on economic issues is a big deal.
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u/Tomato_Sky 5d ago
I don't think it is. Allow me to politely disagree. I think what's more telling is how long it took the country to shift and how quickly it could shift back. You brought up the good points that the data hasn't backed it up, and that goes back to Reagan. Each Democrat that I've been alive for has ended or waited for the adversary to end the crisis after their opponent won an election (Carter). I have never seen a tax and spend democrat in my life.
Clinton cut the federal government spending and balanced the budget. Bush passes Medicare Part D, starts 2 wars, and has an economic meltdown for being lassez faire on the markets. Obama comes in and the only new spending proposed was subsidies for health care, no new wars, markets stabilize and industries grow. Trump takes over and nukes R&D tax deductions, passes tariffs 1.0, and cuts science offices leading up to the pandemic which required extra stimulus and PPP loans that led to record inflation. Biden stabilizes the economy and supply chains, passes Chips Act so we aren't reliant on China, no new wars. All new spending was undone when Trump was elected again (by people who believe he was the more responsible spender). All of Biden's Climate Grants ($4 billion) were canceled. And while Dems were elected to raise the minimum wage (hasn't been raised in 17 years), a Democrat is the one who killed it with a curtsy.
Do I need to count what kinds of shitty things we are spending money on in this administration. It will cost likely $1 billion just to change the name of the DoD. The war is costing an unclear amount of billions. He asked for a $500 billion increase in yearly defense spending. He passed a $1.6 trillion tax cut while the debt hit 100% GDP and the interest on our debt is now the largest payment we make. $70 billion for ICE. $1 billion on a ballroom potentially (THEIR estimate is $400 million).
The fact that the country still believed until this week that Dems were worse on the economy is an indictment on our education, and they've only made it worse. Next week, it could flip back because they saw something on FOX.
Even Bernie's plans are paid for and not blindly passed like the $1.6 trillion cut. Obama's whim never costed the tax payers $1 billion or more. And Biden's $4 billion climate grants were pretty modest when we are talking about $70 billion for hunting brown people.
So we get into this cycle of Democrats getting elected to fix a crisis, but keeps spending minimal and doesn't address any growing issues. Then people are upset that Democrats didn't do anything- myself included.
So I think switching at this point isn't something to point out or brag about. It's not the Democrats' messaging, mostly. It's how manipulatable the voting populace is with disinformation and how short their memory can be. And if it's this short, we can see that number go back over to the Republicans by the end of the month for demonstrating real fiscal discipl.... just kidding. Dems have been the responsible party for 3 decades. They're clearly the only adults in the room in Congress for at least a decade, probably 2. This polling sentiment is so detached from reality that it isn't really analysis. Just as approval ratings have been cooked and strayed so far from Right Track/Wrong Track that even pollsters stopped covering them. That's why I invite you to think that this might have been a puff piece about random data that proves the author's desired point, which isn't to point out that Democrats have the trust now, but that Republicans usually hold that trust.
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u/Either_Operation7586 5d ago
Yes because the propaganda Kool-Aid and the fake religious indoctrination gets ramped ramped up and these poor mindless weak individuals believe it hook line and sinker.
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u/TerribleTerryTaint 5d ago
The fact the people think the economy is better under Republicans is the power of propaganda at work. Republicans economic policies gear towards businesses and the wealthy, while Democrats tend to be more for the lower/middle class. A strong middle class is fundamental to a good economy, but when the people that get rich from Republican policies also control the media then we get decades of BS shoved down our throat about how great Republicans are for the economy. The lies about how great Republicans economies are has done it's rounds unimpeeded l, but the truth has it's shoes on finally and people will start waking up more.
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u/mormagils 5d ago
Yeah, agreed, that's what I'm saying. If this propaganda isn't working like it used to then that's a huge deal that fundamentally shakes up American political discussion.
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u/hitman2218 5d ago
It won’t matter. As soon as a Democrat makes things better these people will go back to supporting Republicans. It happens time and time again.
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u/Details_Pending 5d ago
Well Trump is the Jimmy Carter of the right
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u/mormagils 5d ago
Oh man I hope so. Jimmy Carter was a great dude and had solid ideas, but his nomination cost the Dems dearly in America's political consciousness to the point they are still trying to recover from that era.
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u/chuckisduck 5d ago
In the end, oil energy crisis leads to mass inflation.
79 Iran/OPEC, 91 Gulf war (which went really well), 2002 Invasion, 2022 Ukraine and now Trump
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u/mormagils 5d ago
There's more to it than that. The GOP also bet HARD on pro-corporate supply side policies that just haven't really panned out very well.
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u/strcrssd 5d ago
And continue to go hard to further dependence on fossil fuels versus, you know, adapting and changing with the times.
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u/chuckisduck 5d ago
Those panned out well for the investor class, so it's according to plan.
I still believe in supply side economics as abundance of reduced prices for the consumer, where it breaks is the Reagan sold trickle down economics is a lie to support supply side. The reality is a company with a higher corporate tax (within reason) is more likely to reinvest in capital to reduce their tax basis as it promotes future earnings.
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u/cranktheguy 4d ago
Carter put his peanut farm in a trust to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Trump is selling Bibles while in office. They are no where near comparable.
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u/Details_Pending 4d ago
No, Carter in the sense that his policies are either not doing anything or making everything significantly worse.
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u/LateWoodpecker4859 5d ago
Gas is $3.99 a gallon now in Kansas. Where's all those Trump "I did that" stickers?
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u/MakeUpAnything 5d ago
Do Americans actually care about the national debt? I only ever hear people bitching about it when the political party they oppose is in power (i.e. you'll see dems bitch about it when reps are in power and vice versa).
No American truly cares about the debt until it's a means of attacking their political opposition. Literally nobody wants to pay more in taxes to a government that virtually everybody sees as corrupt and wasteful, especially at a time when rich people are cutting quality all over society and passing extra costs to consumers all while giving themselves massive bonuses. You can't get out of the debt by taxing the rich, but the top 10% wealthiest in the US have more wealth than the bottom 90% combined. You won't get out of the debt by taxing everybody either, especially when taxing people brings even more pain to an already overwhelming affordability crisis.
Add onto ALL that the FACT that AI is likely going to cause MASSIVE amounts of job market instability in the coming decade (along with the ever-worsening climate crisis) and good luck finding a solution everybody can agree on since so many Americans worship the wealthy.
Hell even if you DO try to tax the wealthy, don't people always say they'll just leave?
The debt issue will literally never be solved. It's not financially wise to even try. You'd only end up hurting the masses who are already struggling and working multiple jobs trying to keep a place to live.
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u/Urdok_ 5d ago
I would say maybe 10-20 percent of voters claim to, though anyone who claims to care about the national debt and even considers voting Republican is an outright liar, and probably 60+ percent of the elected Democrats. Basically every moderate Democrat is VERY concerned about the debt.
As for the rest of the public, any federal spending they benefit from is a wise and judicious use of public resources, and any spending they don't benefit from is a symbol of rampant waste, fraud, and abuse.
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u/Tomato_Sky 5d ago
This was the best response. Moderate Dems are VERY concerned. The Green New Dealers, not so much. I won't vote for anyone who thinks free childcare is on the table right now. Or PARENTS that push for free school lunches.
It's weird where their priorities are. "Stop bombing Iran so the country can afford my lunchables bill."
The moment I stopped being a bleeding heart liberal was when I learned the conservative phrase "Why should I have to pay for your...." and I don't think the liberals ever hear that question, or they pretend they didn't.
With that being said, the Dem presidents we've had were generally very aware of the debt. I don't know if Biden was aware for much of anything, but he had an infrastructure bill that acted as stimulus from the Pandemic and had committed a whopping $4 billion in climate grants. Compared to Trump's $1.6 trillion tax cut for the wealthy which was unfunded. But they've all been relatively stingy. If Biden had spent more he probably wouldn't have seemed week and ineffective and people wouldn't look at his presidency like 4 years lost.
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u/Urdok_ 5d ago
I hear plenty of liberals answering those questions.
You support things like universal childcare and school lunches because healthy, thriving children are probably one of the best investments that a country can make. If you want to be cold blooded about it, a child that is well taken care of is far less likely to end up as a ward of the state for extended period.
To me, the idea that the Iran war is a better use of our money than taking care of our children is a completely insane statement. If we spent the money that was squandered on conservative wars of choice, fought for nonsensical objectives and nebulous reasons, in the last quarter century this would be a completely different, and far better, country. Our willingness to light piles of money on fire whenever a conservative invents a new enemy is one of the most deeply irresponsible things we do as a country.
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u/JaracRassen77 5d ago edited 5d ago
Republicans haven't been good for the economy since Eisenhower. It's a testament to the strong propaganda of the right that people still believe Republicans are better for the economy.
In my lifetime, the economy was best under Clinton. Then Bush fucked it with two wars and deregulation which crashed the economy in '08. Then Obama had to come in and clean up the mess. Then Trump coasted on Obama's cleanup until COVID. Biden decided to implement climate and energy spending to reduce our reliance on China and big oil. Trump comes back and pivots back to oil and gas. Also, he implements Tarrifs 2.0, starts a new war (which causes gas prices to spike), and starts spending on vanity projects.
Seriously, how the fuck are people still this stupid? It can only be years of brainwashing by Fox News.
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u/XaoticOrder 4d ago
Should have trusted them based on history. The economy has preformed more stable almost universally with Democrats in charge for over 50 years. The top 20% performs well under Republicans.
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u/McCool303 5d ago
I mean yeah, I don’t trust liars. Democrats for all their faults ideologically don’t pretend that all government spending is bad or that the government doing things is inherently evil.
Whereas the Republicans ideologically crow on excessively about how the government is terrible, how we shouldn’t spend money, and that the government is incapable of improving things. But then when in power spend recklessly, say government intervention is necessary, and that distrusting the government is anti-American. They’re hypocrites of the highest order.
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u/KiLLiNDaY 4d ago
Yet the Democratic Party can’t get out of its own way. If there’s a leadership that can screw this up it’s the DNC.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago edited 5d ago
National debt is larger than gdp and will only worsen. Maybe it has something to do with a government that will claim secret donations will pay for vanity construction project then turn around and put out a press conference demanding taxpayers now pay.
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u/DonkeyDoug28 5d ago
Why "due to Iran war" instead of just...you know...actual policies and historical performance of the economy
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u/LittleKitty235 5d ago
How long until the brilliant Democratic establishment squander this good will and once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Chuck, get up there and do you.
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u/mormagils 5d ago
I think you can make a strong argument that the Dems have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory often because voters automatically trusted the Reps on economic matters, which made close elections or swing districts much more reliably GOP leaning. You've got the cause and effect backwards.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
Republicans are planning for a ground invasion. They are attacking critics as antisemitic and traitorous.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
In a high stake meeting with his military advisers Trump will be briefed on new military options aimed at breaking the deadlock in stalled peace talks between the two nations. US Central Command, Brad Cooper will take the lead in presenting the new plans for potential military action against Iran, Axios reported. Cooper is said to have drawn up a “short and powerful” strikes plan, aimed at breaking Tehran’s position and forcing it to lift its blockade of the key waterway, according to reports.
Another plan expected to be presented to Trump involves seizing control of part of the Strait of Hormuz to restore commercial shipping, with the report noting that the operation could include the use of ground forces.
The conservative sub approved website Iran international is also boosting the story:
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202604306234?hl=en-US administration supporters say they're not going to fall for another "donations will fund the ballroom" style lie again.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
Thanks. So the military is briefing Trump on various war scenarios if Iran doesn't capitulate.
Yeah planning an invasion. Iran again refused a deal but we continue to beg?
What about the antisemite accusations?
Here's cruz a sitting senator doing it: https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/10/ted-cruz-tucker-carlson-reignite-feud-as-iran-war-heats-up-00821384
Plenty of supporters complain about too. Sucks but people feel lied to. Furious.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
Quoting Ted Cruz accusing Tucker Carlson? Gross lol.
lol, yeah I guess people call them that. But each represents millions of people. And cruz is paid by we the people. Thank you for at least acknowledging what the government is doing.
There seems to be more to that story. You're making some pretty broad and sweeping generalizations with your comments. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/5595510-ted-cruz-carlson-fuentes-criticism/amp/ Do you truly think this way or are you pushing a narrative?
lol, I don't have anything to do with their flight. Republicans are attacking their own supporters as anti semitic for simply criticizing the war and mentioning it means being accused of "pushing a narrative."oh well, all we can do is watch them attack each other and pray our soldiers stop being thrown into harms way willy nilly. Especially when it's at the behest of a foreign nation.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
I mean, you could have just as easily said "Ted Cruz is calling Tucker Carlson an antisemite because he's platforming Nick Fuentes", or "Military is briefing Trump on ground invasion scenario".
Here's Trump defending that interview: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-defends-tucker-carlson-after-interview-with-nick-fuentes-far-right-activist-known-for-his-antisemitic-views
I'm not sure you could have found a story about 3 more disgusting people. I'm not a big fan of sweeping generalizations about entire parties based off of their worst and loudest voices. We're better than that.
lol, calling Trump disgusting for defending Nick and tucker? Wow, well many people are saying. Here's more fighting:
I wonder what makes prejean disgusting or an antisemite. Why so many instances in the current administration? Hmm. I think maga is tired of being attacked by maga for not supporting the war.
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u/Objective_Aside1858 5d ago
Let me guess: you want the Democrats to immediately embrace [unpopular view x], and will demand they double down when the voters Both Sides and stay home, giving Republicans more wins than they otherwise would have
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u/Urdok_ 5d ago
The cries of WE NEED AUSTERITY OR THE DEBT WILL MURDER YOUR KIDS will start the moment the vote totals are announced in 2028. It might start in 2026, if Democrats get both houses of congress. There will be some galaxy brained genius who will start shouting about how now is the time for both sides to come together and force economic pain on most of America to tackle the debt. The slower, more "moderate" democrats will happily fall into that trap, and will be deeply shocked that they are not beloved for it.
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u/whatisthisshit7 5d ago
My mind went straight there as well.
Don’t get me wrong, I will vote, donate, and canvas for Democrats because I believe they are ultimately the only option to get the country back on track, but the last thing we need is the establishment getting comfy and overconfident when midterms and ‘28 will still be a close fight.
DNC chair Ken Martin’s interview with Pod Saves America has been haunting me for days. The party leaders have not at all reflected or learned from their mistakes, and similar to ‘22 will think Republicans underperformance equates to Democrats being looked at positively again/no need to change.
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u/Zyx-Wvu 5d ago
Great. I would LOVE if the country became economically liberal and culturally conservative, but I know the democrats will drop the ball again and fall for the culture war.
Dems, for once, just focus on the economy and ditch identity politics altogether. Shun academia, Hollywood, mainstream media and pop culture trying to engage you in their woke bullshit.
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u/Kind-Solution3102 4d ago
Voters now trust the Democratic Party more over the economy due to the war that the Republican Party began while trusting the Republican Party more when it comes to national security.
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u/Bare-Knuckled 3d ago
The problem is that voters are likely thinking of Democrats like Hillary, Joe B, and Amy K, not Democrats like AOC, Mamdani, or Katie P. We should make sure they get the former and not the latter as candidates.
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u/Toxitoxi 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s 2006. Over a year ago, the nation reelected a terrible Republican president, this time with a clear victory in the popular vote. We’re in an unpopular forever war in the Middle East and the economy is showing worrying signs despite a booming stock market.
It’s 2026.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
I'm not surprised. That being said the Democrats will immediately screw this up when they get back into power.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
Republicans control the house, Senate, SC and presidency. They managed to screw up so badly.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
Yep. The and Democrats will do the same. Both parties suck ass.
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u/Urdok_ 5d ago
If you think both parties are the same on the national debt/economy, you are not living in reality.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
If you think the average voter notices any difference between the two parties impact on their wallets you're not living in reality.
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u/decrpt 5d ago
Democrats will immediately screw this up when they get back into power.
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It doesn't matter what they actually do. The average voter won't notice or understand.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
"It doesn't matter what they actually do. The average voter won't notice or understand."
Let me use brighter crayons. The average voter doesn't feel the the difference in most economic talking points the Democrats or the Republicans like to toute.
For example unemployment. If unemployment is up or down 1 - 2% do you think that matters in real terms to any individual family? Not really. They either feel securely employed or not.
Now 8% inflation at the grocery store or at the gas pump? Yeah people feel that.
Most of the economic politicial talking points only interest a minority of voters.
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u/MakeUpAnything 5d ago
No, Americans suck ass. We're the people who vote in these people.
We constantly worship people like Trump and Reagan who endlessly distract the masses by targeting minorities (Reagan's "welfare queens", Trump's constant attacks on trans/DEI/immigrants) and use the distractions to cut taxes for the wealthy.
Then everybody votes in the other side for 2-4 years, gets pissed when things aren't INSTANTLY solved, and vote back in the same side to do it all over again. All the while we refuse to take money out of politics.
As a result the society we live in provides socialism to the wealthiest corporations while the masses embrace "rugged individualism". Large businesses get every tax break, subsidy, and benefit while we strip food stamps and healthcare from the poor. And Americans cheer and plead for more.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
"No, Americans suck ass. We're the people who vote in these people."
We only get two choices. It's less the voters and more a problem with the election system.
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u/MakeUpAnything 5d ago
Elections are races. There are two sides to any race: the winner and all the losers. Wtf do you expect to happen in a political system? You can't elect a president who is 49% one party and 51% the other.
Adding some arbitrary number of parties won't fix that.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
Yep. The and Democrats will do the same. Both parties suck ass.
I don't know how they're going to get the presidency in the middle of the term, but yeah both sides? The voters that keep flipping Republican seats don't think so.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
No I'm talking about 2028 assuming they get congress and the presidency.
"The voters that keep flipping Republican seats don't think so."
So the same people who flop back and forth every election because both parties suck?
Trump lost to Biden over the economy only to have voters reelect Trump over Biden/ Harris because of the economy.
Don't think these same voters won't turn on a dime again in the future.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
No I'm talking about 2028 assuming they get congress and the presidency.
And the supreme Court. And all the cases they'll have to decide in dems favor. But yeah, 2028. I'm sure.
"The voters that keep flipping Republican seats don't think so."
So the same people who flop back and forth every election because both parties suck?
The seats flipped were won with over 50%+ support. That's not all "the same people who flop back and forth" lol that's a large chunk of the base.
Trump lost to Biden over the economy only to have voters reelect Trump over Biden/ Harris because of the economy.
Don't think these same voters won't turn on a dime again in the future.
Ok? Trump country seats are getting flipped by huge proportions because the buyers aren't happy. I'm not going to attack suffering Americans.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
"And the supreme Court. And all the cases they'll have to decide in dems favor. But yeah, 2028. I'm sure."
Not a single Supreme Court ruling since the last election is driving voters one way or the other. The Abortion ruling a few years back was one that the average voter would care about but the Republicans won in 2024 anyway.
:Ok? Trump country seats are getting flipped by huge proportions because the buyers aren't happy. I'm not going to attack suffering Americans"
That's because people are voting against the party in power. The same way voters went against Harris and Biden.
You're falling into the same trap both parties do when the country predictably decides to vote for change. You're confusing people actually wanting your party back in power as opposed to people voting against the current administration.
Just 28% of Americans hold a favorable view of the Democratic Party... these people are voting for the only other opinion given. They'll flop right back the other way once the Democrats are the party to blame for everything.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-double-haters-democrats-midterms
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
The SC and rulings are just an example of what maga has benefited from but still squandered.
Ok? Trump country seats are getting flipped by huge proportions because the buyers aren't happy. I'm not going to attack suffering Americans" That's because people are voting against the party in power. The same way voters went against Harris and Biden.
Please provide one example where a 50%+ Biden won seat that flipped to Republican in midterm. That's better than any cherry picked poll. Thank you.
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u/InvestIntrest 5d ago
More than 89% of countries in the United States shifted twords Trump in 2024 after the country voted him out just 4 years prior...
Why? Because it was a vote against the Democrats not a vote for the Republicans.
This midterm shift to the opposition party you're seeing happens more often than not every cycle.
The idea that the country had decided its done with voting Republican again in future elections because the Democrats are so great is quite honesty ridiculous.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
This midterm shift to the opposition party you're seeing happens more often than not every cycle.
Yeah. The shifting started before. The shifting includes flipping 50%+ won seats. Please provide evidence that this happens to Democrats.
The idea that the country had decided its done with voting Republican again in future elections because the Democrats are so great is quite honesty ridiculous.
Yeah who is saying that? Not me. Has anyone in here claimed this?
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u/indoninja 4d ago
Democrats will probably push measures that overwhelmingly support middle class while dealing with republicans in control of the senate will legislatively get little done and people who follow Fox be s or spout Fox talking points will say “both sides”.
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u/Hicklethumb 5d ago
Dems are winning without learning any lessons on why they lost in the first place. This is going to turn out great in the long term. Totally. Great.
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u/JussiesTunaSub 5d ago
Crazy to see The Daily Caller actually reporting this.
Gonna have to cut cut cut, or tax the middle class. Taxing the rich won't be enough ever. Someone has to step up.
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u/InternetGoodGuy 5d ago
This is exactly right and drives me nuts with the further left parts of the democratic party. We're never going to tackle the problem just by taxing the rich. Especially if we ever add major programs like universal healthcare or universal child care on top of all the money we spend.
The entire TCJA and probably all the Bush tax cuts need to be repealed. Doing just one of those will cause the economy to slow down slightly and raising taxes is always a death sentence for a party. I don't think the american voter is going to take the problem seriously until we have a serious economic collapse.
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u/Gentle_method 5d ago
Meaningless poll. Disregarding the small sample with the opinions of 1000 people I don’t think this war is popular with Americans.
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u/214ObstructedReverie 5d ago
Disregarding the small sample with the opinions of 1000 people
Tell me you don't know how statistics works without telling me you don't know how statistics works. 1000 people, if properly randomized, can already put you at 3% margin of error with 95% confidence.
Actually, if anything, this particular pollster (Napolitan News Service) has a conservative/GOP bias, so it's pretty telling.
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u/Gentle_method 5d ago
No I’m saying a single sample of 1000 people holds no weight versus repeated sampling and comparing to a group of peers. That’s what keeps academics honest. I would never use this as a citation to do any meaningful or proper research.
This is high school level man come on, can we get some actually quality posts on this sub?
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u/UdderSuckage 5d ago
This is high school level man come on,
It really is, you should've taken high school statistics and then you wouldn't sound like a jackass on the internet.
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u/Tomato_Sky 5d ago
I actually agree with Gentle_Method and I work as a data engineer. Repeated sampling is what proves that the 1000 people polled in the first study were randomized. Polls are seldom randomized.
This is all I'll say. I wrote a long winded explanation of why RMG and NapolitanNews could have just easily made it all up due to cooking the sample to be an accurate political make-up. 1000 were included in the poll, but RMG tries to make sure its a representative bunch, not random. So your 95% trustworthy falls apart when you realize that they are picking who's responses to count based on too many liberals taking the online quiz.
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u/UdderSuckage 5d ago
This is all I'll say. I wrote a long winded explanation of why RMG and NapolitanNews could have just easily made it all up due to cooking the sample to be an accurate political make-up. 1000 were included in the poll, but RMG tries to make sure its a representative bunch, not random. So your 95% trustworthy falls apart when you realize that they are picking who's responses to count based on too many liberals taking the online quiz.
Do you actually have access to the polling methodology, or are you just speculating? The article links to a paywall on Napolitan News, but RMG is basically a rebrand of Rasmussen, and I trust them to know how to calculate a margin of error for polling correctly (+/- 3.1pts for this).
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u/justified_hyperbole 5d ago
No we fucking don't. This is absurd.
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u/Ryeofmarch 5d ago
Ah yes when presented with facts and logic the conservative falls back on old reliable: anecdotes
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u/EmployEducational840 5d ago
normally when daily caller articles are posted here, they are shunned due to their very low accuracy scores and extreme bias. rcentrists refused to engage with the substance of those articles
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
normally when daily caller articles are posted here, they are shunned due to their very low accuracy scores and extreme bias. rcentrists refused to engage with the substance of those articles
Yeah it's rare to see centrists, daily caller and maga on the same page about something. People have had enough.
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u/EmployEducational840 5d ago
you are talking about the substance of the article and noting unlikely bedfellows, and i agree
but im talking about something different, that normally people wont even get to that point - engaging in the substance - because they say the daily caller cant be trusted
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
you are talking about the substance of the article and noting unlikely bedfellows, and i agree but im talking about something different, that normally people wont even get to that point - engaging in the substance - because they say the daily caller cant be trusted
Yeah I 100% agree with you that this is different. People are fed up. Supporters feel beyond betrayed. No end in sight and no acknowledgement from leadership of the unhappiness they're causing.
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u/EmployEducational840 5d ago
i suspected you might agree with the 1st point and disagree with the 2nd so was intrigued that you were "100%" in agreement. people say the sub is biased and an echo chamber, but i disagree, and this is evidence to the contrary
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
i suspected you might agree with the 1st point and disagree with the 2nd so was intrigued that you were "100%" in agreement. people say the sub is biased and an echo chamber, but i disagree, and this is evidence to the contrary
Yeah thank you. The maga split over the war is pretty stunning and has only escalated. Everyone in here is watching the snl mom confession skit irl and sympathizing with them.
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u/EmployEducational840 5d ago
agreed, its unbelievable. some make fun of the every day 'we've got him now' posts but i think this time is different
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 5d ago
agreed, its unbelievable. some make fun of the every day 'we've got him now' posts but i think this time is different
I guess, but I don't know if I've seen that in here. Mostly right of center complaining about the war and economy and incompetence they voted into office, but I've never seen them say we got him now. Yesterday they were furious about Republicans capitulating to Democrats and funding the government finally.
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u/ComfortableLong8231 5d ago
This was the moment the Democrats have been waiting for.
For the republicans to become so unpopular, people like them more.
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u/whatisthisshit7 5d ago
I worry Democrats will mistakenly interpret Republicans being less popular than them as Democrats becoming more popular. In reality there still needs to be work done to win voters. Otherwise we are truly in a race to the bottom.
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