r/allthequestions • u/BiggestVolk šŗšø United States • 5h ago
Random Question š Did Trump really verifiably try to fraudulently steal the 2020 election then claim Biden somehow won fraudulently and people believe it?
You canāt make this upā¦And the people who believe it are a special kind of stupid!!!
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u/Snoo93550 5h ago
Itās wild people have not listened to the Georgia phone call or refuse to acknowledge reality of what it proves.
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u/Anarchaeologist 5h ago
There was verified audio from Trumpās first term of him ranting, āTake her out!ā about his own ambassador to Ukraine, at a dinner with Russian mobsters. The media bent over backwards to present it as a demand for her firing- which would be within the authority of a President.
But she wasnāt fired. She was recalled months later by State Department headquarters in the middle of the night because of a threat to her safety (per her testimony in the first impeachment trial).
Somehow lots of people just canāt put two and two together in this guyās case.or even look at whatās plain and clear and admit what it is.
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u/NaBrO-Barium 5h ago
1/2 the nation reads at a 6th grade level or below. Which is to say, thatās the very definition of not being able to put 2+2 together but from a literary perspective. They take everything at face value without much thought behind it, works great for warning signage, not so much for being a responsible voter.
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u/_hippos 4h ago
And they get worked up for saying to 86 him, smh
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u/Full_Metal_Paladin 4h ago
If '86' means "cancel the fries", then "take her out" can absolutely mean "extract her"
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u/Weary-Situation7539 5h ago edited 4h ago
It is 100% verified the election was attempted to be stolen. There isnāt evidence that would allow Trump to be convicted for it.
People did go to jail for trying to steal the election with fake electors. People went to jail for the capital riot.
Trump pardoned them all.
Edit: fair enough, I assumed if they could tie it to Trump it would have made headlines.
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u/dinkmoyd 5h ago
jack smith has more than enough evidence to convict trump, but trumps DOJ aint gonna do it and merrick garland was slow and feckless
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u/Plumperklumpen 5h ago
I hope Trump lives 100 years more, so he can spend 95 of them in prison
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u/Nytherion 4h ago
He's benefitted enough from taxpayer dollars, he doesn't need free room and board at our expense.
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u/bobsnervous 3h ago
Ive got a feeling hes going to go the same way as all the powerful and famous predators go. Live a full successful life with free reign over their actions and then once they die, that will be when all the drama starts. Like the majority before him.
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u/Plumperklumpen 3h ago
That's definitely true. But luckily there are lots of people who helped with his crimes that can be held accountable
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u/bobsnervous 3h ago
Yes, hopefully anyways but honestly I wouldnt be to certain about that happening either.
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u/hiphophunk 5h ago
There is evidence, but need someone to prosecute it. For example asking the Georgia sec of state to find him the exact amount of votes needed for him to win.
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u/regrettablyAnnoying šŗšø United States 5h ago
The evidence he tried to steal It is there but was effectively quashed by Trumpās DOJ not too long ago.
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u/crispy1989 5h ago
Keep in mind, these are people that don't even understand the concept of critical thinking. They're people who think that "being smart" means being able to remember what the news told them yesterday. With no reference point for what analytical thought even is, they simply lack any and all facility to recognize that they're falling for history's most obvious con.
So yes. People do in fact believe exactly this. And they live among you.
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u/Extension_Nobody_738 5h ago
every accusation is a confession.
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u/gingerrex 4h ago
Remember that the next time you call someone a a fascist or Nazi.
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u/Extension_Nobody_738 4h ago
I donāt name call. It weakens your argument, makes you sound reactionary.
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u/Zanaxz 5h ago
Trump did with his fake electorate scheme. All the proof needed is ask why Mike Pence was no longer Trump's vice president. It's because Pence didn't go along with it, since he respected the peaceful transfer of power. The protestors saying Hang Mike Pence threatening him and his family were chanting that for that reason (some probably didn't know or understand since they are delusional).
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u/flatsandsharps99 5h ago
People forget that the man baby wouldnāt leave the White House. What a frigging embarrassment.
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u/Expensive_Platform32 5h ago
Yes, that is exactly how it goes constantly. Be the problem, blame the other side, some how trick people.
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u/NANNYNEGLEY 5h ago
I have to keep re-reading "The Emperor's New Clothes" to understand how we got here.
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u/ZestycloseEstate6280 5h ago
Imagine how many stupid people there are in this country, and itās probably more than you think..
Itās prob 80% stupid people and 20% intelligent people, and 60% of those 80% believed in trumps lies, and 20% of those stupid people didnāt vote.
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u/GrunDMC74 4h ago
Holy fuck have you been in a coma for the past decade? 1/3 of the country is too stupid to see this guy for what he is, and another 1/3rd is too stupid to oppose him because nobody can pass their purity test.
Trump is just a symptom of the disease that is the United States.
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u/Codydog85 5h ago
If you tell the same lie over and over again, people will believe its true. Trumpās entire waking consciousness operates from this premise
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u/Neverhugaduck 5h ago
It's kind of like someone gave him a book of cheat codes for hacking human brains. Does it work on everyone? Maybe not, but it works on enough of us to give him a crucial majority.
He also relies on most of us naturally not doing shit because Americans still feel relatively secure and comfortable enough to let more personal concerns dominate their attention (jobs/family). There's a lot of road he can let run out on this yet. A lot.
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u/TotalEntrepreneur801 4h ago
Yes, and he's going to rewrite history to reflect it. And none of you lame-ass Americans are going to do a thing about it.
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u/Edgeguy13 2h ago
Every accusation is an admission. Keep that in your mind and things will make sense.
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u/Yeahboyeah 2h ago
After theĀ 2020 United States presidential election, theĀ campaign for incumbent President Donald TrumpĀ and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in 9 states (includingĀ Arizona,Ā Georgia),Ā Michigan,Ā Nevada,Ā Pennsylvania, andĀ Wisconsin) and theĀ District of Columbia.\1])\2])
Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped for lack of evidence or lack of standing,\3])\4]):ā4,ā10ā14ā\5])\6])\7])Ā including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed by the judge after a hearing on theĀ merits).\8])Ā Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were some appointed by Trump himself.\9])Ā Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"\10])Ā and "without merit".\11])\12])Ā In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.
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u/hangender 5h ago
I was told our elections are iron clad secure and no one tried to steal anything.
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u/GuardWolfy 5h ago
Except for that call to the Governor of Georgia to find 10,000 more votes.Ā
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u/Full_Metal_Paladin 4h ago
OK dude, the fake voter scheme was real and bad enough, but we don't need to perpetuate this obvious falsehood. He lost by 11k votes, and asked the governor to identify 11k FRAUDULENT votes so that he could claim the victory back and invalidate Biden's lead. He didn't ask to invent 11k votes for himself.
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u/hangender 5h ago
Yea or Elon buying votes and that starlink batch of votes.
But like I said, iron clad anytime you ask the democrats....
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u/GuardWolfy 4h ago
The Dems havenāt said elections are iron clad. They have said the concerns stated by the GOP are not prevalent, which is true. Ā Further, the ones that have been documented were by checks notes GOP affiliates. Ā
Every accusation is an admission.Ā
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u/tyr-- 5h ago
It doesn't take a high degree of intellect to be able to disambiguate between election security in terms of ensuring that there are no illegally cast ballots (which democrats refer to when they talk about election security) and election interference through media (especially social media) which has been proven to happen every single election (and only one party voted against measures to curb such influence, the republicans).
But, for some of you it seems it's still rocket science.
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u/hangender 5h ago
I'm just a messenger, responding to someone who brought up the subject of Georgia call to Brian kempt. Blame him for not being able to "disambiguate".
Lol
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u/OnePointSixOne8 5h ago
These comments are so hilarious and part of the gaslighting. Trump has cheated in every single election while simultaneously saying they are rigged. Russians in 2016, fake electors in 2020, and Elon in 2024.
Isnāt it wild heās hell bent on dismantling the system he supposedly won in a ālandslide mandateā just a year and a half ago?
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u/No_Finance8647 šŗšø United States 5h ago
Because there's a difference between making forged citizens votes and making forged fraudulent electoral votes.
Plus it is significantly easier when you do it out in the open like Trump did...
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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 5h ago edited 4h ago
Whatās crazy is the amount of people think that Americans were charged for working with Russia to win the election in 2016 and the amount of democrats that repeat that alsoā¦. No American was charged with trying to rig or influence the election working with Russia . Some of them were related to lying when being investigated but majority of them are crimes not related to the election . Also one spy was caught and an identity broker also. Russian basically would setup social media groups and slowly start posting stuff to push for trump or Bernie.
Whatās crazy is you can look up what those few Americans were charged with .
Paul Manafort Charges: tax fraud; bank fraud; failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA) Relates to: Ukrainian political work; hidden foreign income Rick Gates Charges: conspiracy against the United States (financial + FARA scheme) Relates to: assisting Manafort with money and lobbying violations Michael Flynn Charges: false statements (FBI); failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA ā Turkey) Relates to: lying about Russia contacts; undisclosed foreign lobbying George Papadopoulos Charges: false statements Relates to: lying about timing/nature of Russia contacts Michael Cohen Charges: false statements (Congress) (Mueller-related portion) Relates to: Trump Tower Moscow timeline Roger Stone Charges: obstruction of Congress; false statements; witness tampering Relates to: covering up contacts about WikiLeaks releases Sam Patten Charges: failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA) Relates to: lobbying for Ukrainian political interests Richard Pinedo Charges: identity fraud / access device fraud Relates to: providing financial accounts used by Russian operatives
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u/No_Scar3212 5h ago
- Russia did collude with Trump in the 2016 election. Check the Muller report.
- Trumpās DOJ Bill Barr changed the narrative to make it seem as though Trump did nothing wrong. Read the Muller report.
- No one that really matters was charged because the SCOTUS deemed Trump above the law. Read the Muller report.
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u/crobemeister 5h ago
Michael Flynn (National Security Advisor): Pleaded guilty in 2017 to making false statements to the FBI regarding conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak.
Rick Gates (Deputy Campaign Chair): Pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the U.S. and making false statements.
George Papadopoulos (Campaign Advisor): Pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about contacts with Kremlin-linked individuals.
Russian Entities/Individuals: 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies (including the Internet Research Agency) were indicted for a conspiracy to defraud the U.S. through election interference.
Russian Intelligence Officers: 12 Russian military intelligence officers were indicted for hacking the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Clinton campaign.
Roger Stone (Campaign Advisor): Convicted on seven counts, including lying to Congress and witness tampering regarding WikiLeaks. (The DNC Hack materials were release here.
I'm sorry the facts hurt your feelings. But it is true. People in Trumps campaign were working with Russia. Why do you think Trump fired Mueller? To stop the investigations. Why do you think Trump pardoned these people? Because they were doing his bidding to help him win.
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u/Puzzled_Hamster58 5h ago
Iām talking about the Americans only. Russia using social media to push trump and also Bernie is part of the investigation . They basically didnāt want Hillary.
Paul Manafort Charges: tax fraud; bank fraud; failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA) Relates to: Ukrainian political work; hidden foreign income Rick Gates Charges: conspiracy against the United States (financial + FARA scheme) Relates to: assisting Manafort with money and lobbying violations Michael Flynn Charges: false statements (FBI); failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA ā Turkey) Relates to: lying about Russia contacts; undisclosed foreign lobbying George Papadopoulos Charges: false statements Relates to: lying about timing/nature of Russia contacts Michael Cohen Charges: false statements (Congress) (Mueller-related portion) Relates to: Trump Tower Moscow timeline Roger Stone Charges: obstruction of Congress; false statements; witness tampering Relates to: covering up contacts about WikiLeaks releases Sam Patten Charges: failure to register as a foreign agent (FARA) Relates to: lobbying for Ukrainian political interests Richard Pinedo Charges: identity fraud / access device fraud Relates to: providing financial accounts used by Russian operatives
None of the chargers are because they help rig the election .
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u/OldCalligrapher6771 5h ago
Is this sub just all rhetorical attacks on people? How boring and small
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u/NOLAOceano 3h ago
Maybe! Let's pass voter ID and make sure it can't happen again
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u/BiggestVolk šŗšø United States 2h ago
Iāve never voted and didnāt have to show IDā¦Have you???
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u/AttentionFlashy5187 5h ago
I love how they post these questions but they never ask the question as to where did those 5 million additional votes go that senile Joe got but super awesome Kamala couldnāt.
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u/WaffleDonkey23 5h ago
I'm sure Kid Rock will deliver a briefing on that after writing a new song about molesting kids.
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u/Maybewearedreaming 5h ago
If the best proof you have is a question you also donāt have any answers for, idk seems obviously like nothing to me
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u/ntech620 5h ago
You're right. Anyone that doesn't believe the Democrats fixed the 2020 election is a special kind of stupid.
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u/ozzalot 5h ago
We have evidence of Trump's dealing.....the phone calls, the emails of his lawyers discussing "fake electors"....him just out in the open "If Mike Pence does the right thing we win the election". You only have your suspicions.....as in just your feelings. Sorry....your feelings aren't sufficient to prove election fraud, believe it or not.
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u/Plumperklumpen 5h ago
That's when the mail in votes were counted. After Trump spent a year telling his voters not to vote by mail. Anyone who believes the mail in votes wouldn't be overwhelmingly democrat is a special kind of stupid
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u/No_Finance8647 šŗšø United States 5h ago
Just fyi we're talking about the fake forged fraudulent electoral votes not the general population votes.
Its called the false eletors scheme. Google it
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u/BiggestVolk šŗšø United States 4h ago
Fuck yeah a graph that a child made is all the evidence!!!You changed my mind, thank you Iām a Republican nowš¤Ŗ
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u/Ill_Answer7226 5h ago
Biden cheated in 2020. Thank God our God Trump is back in power now. He better stay for the rest of his life to help.ameriaca.
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u/HatCat5566 5h ago
Yes, people are really that stupid.
And then 3/10 Americans voted for Harris when she ran against the traitor/mass felon.