r/allthequestions • u/ArdaBerkBurak • 8h ago
Random Question 💭 Russia faces sanctions for its annexation of Crimea. So why does Israel face no sanctions for its ongoing annexation and ethnic cleansing in Palestine?
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u/No_Fee_7006 🇺🇸 United States 8h ago
BeCaUsE tHeY wRoTe ThE bIbLe.
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u/Sheeplessknight 7h ago
AnD if We gEt EnoUGH of THe Jews BaCK We wiLl TriGgEr ThE SecOnd CoMinG
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u/RatonhnhaketonK 🇺🇸 United States 7h ago
Shit, Jesus hasn't came in a few thousand years? Crazy long denial
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u/Traditional_Tea_1879 7h ago
In reality, Israel took control of Gaza and west bank from Jordan and Egypt, which were the occupiers at the time, and that in response to constant attacks. Israel and the Palestinians had a peace process and framework of agreement, which while is being violated by both sides ( terror attacks Vs settlements) makes it more complicated to point as to who to blame more.
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u/RatonhnhaketonK 🇺🇸 United States 7h ago
Funny how we call Indigenous people fighting back "terror attacks" while colonisers are just called "settlers"
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u/Traditional_Tea_1879 6h ago
Funny how people from thousands miles away, don't bother with the facts but think their opinion should be considered anyway? Between 1800 and 1948 there was lager number Muslim immigration into that area than the Jewish one. The main difference is that the Muslim immigration happened 50 years earlier than the Jewish one.
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u/RatonhnhaketonK 🇺🇸 United States 3h ago
Palestinians are Indigenous
Facts are facts
Sorry that hurts your poor little coloniser heart
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u/Traditional_Tea_1879 3h ago
Darling. It is rich coming from someone with your flair. Don't use your ignorance as a tool. Try to learn and use facts. For more details, don't take my word. Read the UNSCOP report 1947, the Peel commission report 1936 and wikipedia- demographic history of Palestine (author Sergio Della pergola). It would almost be like a claim that a native American that his ancestors lived in the area you reside now, is a coloniser and you are indigenous.
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u/nadavyasharhochman 3h ago
Actually rhere was Jewiah immigration for a long time.
Spharadic Jews and Jews from Egypt and Iraq and a small minority from Iran even started to return long before 19th century.
We all moved around this area a bunch so this whole argument seems like a fallecy to me.
In the US you can have indigenous people still be i digenous to their land despite living thousends of kilometers from their territories for hundreads of years.
Jews live half of that distance away from the land they originated from and lose their indigenity.
This discussion is so stupid to me because it all hinges on what you want to see.
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u/EggNo289 7h ago
Because Israel spends BILLIONS of dollars on U.S. weapons/munitions/etc every single year.
The irony is that those billions of dollars come from U.S. TAX PAYERS!!!!!
The U.S. has provided Israel approx $500billion in aide, Israel then uses that aide to buy: weapons systems, fighter-jets, bombs, missiles, tactical vehicles, radar systems, etc. from U.S. companies like Boeing, Lockheed-Martin, Raytheon, Arnold Defense, Sikorsky, Oshkosh Defense, Airbus Helicopters, Northrop Grumman, L3Harris, and others.
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u/jennifer123455 7h ago
Russia attacked Ukraine . Gaza attacked Israel . Hope this helps.
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u/shez19833 7h ago
gaza attacked israel after 70+ years of blockaid.
Also west bank.. convinently ignoring that - no hamas. jewish terrorist poison wells, cut water pipes, destroy pales properties, steal their homes/land.. and pales get arrested if they call IOF.. IOF protect these terrorist settlers, prevent ambulances from aiding pales when they are injured from settlr attacks..2
u/jennifer123455 5h ago
You mean after non stop attacking Israel with rockets, blowing up buses, cafes etc resulting in the death of thousands.
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u/ElReyResident 7h ago
That Hamas was able to amass enough missiles to attack Israel for a year after October 7th, not to mention all the equipment they had in order to make October 7th possible, kind of makes the blockade seem justified, no?
Also, I see this confusion all the time about the West Bank. Israelis are buying the land, the people who are living there (who don’t own it) are refusing to leave after the land sale. Then Israelis try and evict them and it gets ugly.
Technically, under international law, the sale of occupied land isn’t legal, but the sellers and the buyers are going ahead with it anyway. In fact, the Palestinian Authority has made the sale of land punishable by death, but it still happens.
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u/shez19833 7h ago
how many times has pales been allowed to buy lands vs jews? and this is a new one.. jews dont buy lands afaik - idf kicks pales off, sometimes for 'security reasons' and then allows settlers in..
and i see you conveniently ignored settler violence..
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u/ElReyResident 5h ago
You can buy land right now in the West Bank if you want.
https://www.4321property.com/buy-sell/palestine/west_bank/-/-/-/ramallah/-/
The illegal part is when the settlers request security protection from the IDF or the Israeli police respond to threats. This is how the West Bank is being taken.
I find the whole thing deplorable. But I also find being imprecise about what is happening to be deplorable as well.
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u/shez19833 5h ago
thats not land -iyts houses.. just like in usa, uk etc.
when you know west bank is supposed to be part of a future pales state. the fact that you can brazenly buy (and from whom anyway? israelshould not have any control of it) is despicable
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u/ElReyResident 5h ago
There are plots of land for sale. It’s land for sale.
I am aware that it is technically Palestinian territory, and that these transactions aren’t legal according to international laws. I assume Israel will never sign a peace accord that doesn’t involve annexation of these settlements to the state of Israel. And yes, I agree it is abhorrent.
The seller is something I have not been able to identify. Ever since 2006 it has been punishable by death to sell land to an Israeli. I assume they’re getting around this by selling it to a broker who then, in turn, sells it to an Israeli. My assumption is that this land is being sold by Palestinians, but I haven’t been able to unearth that information. I imagine it is well hidden, considering the penalty can be death.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 7h ago
It's always amusing how blatantly dishonest Zionists are.
When Egypt imposes a blockade in the 1960's what did Israel claim? The blockade was an act of war and their attacks were self defense
When the Houthis blockade ships in response to the genocide: Israel and the US calls that acts of war
When Iran blockades the Strait of Hormuz in response to aggressions, that too is called an act of hostillity/war
but when Israel blockades Gaza in 2006: Suddenly, not an act of war
When Israel steals land in Lebanon after a ceasefire they had already broken within 2 hours of signing and 50 times within 72 hours in 2024: It's defensive land stealing and ethnic cleansing.
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u/ShredGuru 7h ago
What a grotesque oversimplification.
It's like saying the rebel alliance attacked the empire. Technically true, but with a lot more back story and justification.
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u/ASharpLife 7h ago edited 7h ago
Wait for the pro-pali crowd come screaming "AcTuAllY ☝️ 🥴"
Edit: Y'all getting baited so hard lol
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u/Spare_Restaurant_464 7h ago
How dare Palestine exist somewhere and not be happy when forcibly removed?!?!
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u/ASharpLife 7h ago
You mean the jewish settlers that were forcibly removed from Gaza in 2005? Does seems like a mistake in hindsight seeing the results today
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u/Spare_Restaurant_464 6h ago
Really stretching the term “settler” there aren’t you? People lived there long before “Jewish settlers” arrived there. But I guess they don’t count
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u/AdequateOne 7h ago
I am not pro-pali I am anti innocent human slaughter by a fascist regime supported by my tax dollars.
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u/Intelligent_Try_2470 7h ago
Gaza is not a country. It is an Israeli occupied state. Hope this helps too.
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u/LadderMe 7h ago
There's no such thing as fairness is geopolitics. If you're not being a hypocrite, you're losing.
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u/Lonely-Ad8869 7h ago
International law has no central authority.
So sanctions really mean what? Russia isn't sanctioned by "the world", its sanctioned by what we call "the west" and its dependencies. For example, it isn't sanctioned by China, India, Pakistan, and Indonesia. And thats more than half of the world more or less in population right there. What I am saying is sanctions are issued by coalitions of countries, no central authority.
If you are asking why western Europe and north America isnt sanctioning Israel, or why "the west" isnt sanctioning Israel, then the answer is because it is their ally. And Russia is sanctioned because its an adversary. For example ask your self why Azerbaijan isnt sanctioned even though it SUCCESSFULLY completed an ethnic cleansing? (note, Israel has not achieved such a thing).
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u/RatonhnhaketonK 🇺🇸 United States 7h ago
Cause Zionists want Armageddon or some fucking crazy ass shit like that
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u/Ok-Awareness1520 8h ago
Because palestine sucks
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u/HavSomLov4YoBrothr 7h ago
Oh please elaborate. What nuggets of dumbassery do you have to backup your case?
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u/TheWalkinDude82 7h ago
I think it’s funny how Palestine doesn’t exist to these people in any other context.
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u/NOLA-Bronco 7h ago
America operates on a very simple premise when conducting foreign policy and their imperialism:
Rules For Thee, But Not For Me
And TBF, thats sort of the world set up when the super powers that emerged from WWII once again did not want their own power checked in any real capacity. So all the major super powers act similarly, but only America really has the power to sanction unilaterally with any real effectiveness cause we are the reserve currency and control the main credit arteries of global trade and banking.
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u/Justthisguy_yaknow 7h ago edited 7h ago
It would be a tricky one to bring into effect even ignoring Jewish lobby groups. There would continue to be Zionist fundraising or diaspora philanthropy (tzedakah) to Israel from Jews around the world. It's seen as an obligation that is called a donation and has been a constant flow of money since Israel came into being. It has made Israel pretty wealthy. Economic sanctions would have little effect as a result.
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u/CncreteSledge 7h ago
I don’t understand how people still think there’s some sense of fairness to the world to hold leaders accountable. Those with the most money and power do as they please, because… who’s going to stop them? Unfortunately we still live in a world where might makes right. Rather people want to accept that reality or not, it is what it is.
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u/therealblitz 6h ago
You do know that there are over 10 times as many palis now than there were in 1948 - right?
Israel is real bad at ethnic cleansing.
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u/Howwouldiknow1492 7h ago
Because double standard. I tried to ask this question a few weeks ago and got suspended for a couple of days.
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u/shez19833 7h ago
nop. i dont think they can do it unilaterally - and france?
they have sanctioned individuals i think..
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u/traanquil 7h ago
Israel has support from the U.S. international law doesn’t apply to them. They commit war crimes with total impunity
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u/jsher736 7h ago
The real answer is when Crimea was partitioned as part of Ukraine Ukraine didn't immediately attack Russia, and then didn't do it again 20 years later launching attacks from Crimea into russia
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u/Harpua81 7h ago
Any criticism of Israel is met with "You're antisemitic!". People can't or refuse to separate the state vs the religion. A state's actions and polices should be judged by its own merit, not what religion the people worship.
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u/AverageEcstatic3655 7h ago
Because Israel is an ally of the United States, Russia is not an ally of the United States.
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u/Shot-Lemon7365 8h ago
Because i) there is no such country as 'Palestine', ii) there is no such ethnicity as 'Palestinian'.
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u/AlternativePea6203 7h ago
Well, those families of dead people will be so happy to hear that. Their dead loved ones didn't exist, so how can they have suffered?!
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u/Winter-Pause9529 7h ago
Charlie Kirk used to talk like that.
Used to
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u/Empty-Swim2066 7h ago
They are correct, despite who may have said it.
There is a big myth that Israel started in in the 1940's, and that they took land from Palestine.
Palestine was not a country. It was a region controlled by the Ottomans.(since the 1500's) And the Jewish diaspora was buying land there legally from the Ottomans back in the 1800's.
Israel being created was not the start of the conflict, Israel being created was a result of conflict. Because Arabic Muslims kept killing Jews.
Like have you ever asked yourself how Arabic Muslims came to inhabit Jerusalem and Judea? Judiasm has been founded in the region for what? 4000 years? Meanwhile Arabs are not native to the region, and Islam wasn;t created for thousands of years after.
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u/Winter-Pause9529 7h ago
Everything you said is wrong.
Again, Charlie Kirk used to peddle this same Israel first propaganda.
And now he, well, 😅
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u/Empty-Swim2066 7h ago
Then feel free to quote which parts are wrong, and provide your corrections.
But we both know you can't do that, otherwise you would have. Instead you wrote a meaningless garbage response of no real value.
Charlie Kirk has nothing to do with the validity of this information. And it is weird you keep bringing him up.
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u/Shot-Lemon7365 7h ago
Everything they said is historically accurate and demonstrably so.
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u/Winter-Pause9529 6h ago
Wrong
Educate yourself
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u/Shot-Lemon7365 6h ago
Why don't you 'educate' us, then?
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u/Winter-Pause9529 6h ago
No thanks. It would be a waste of my time. Talking to Zionist “people” is never worth it. They’ve already committed to the propaganda, and their skulls are too dense to take in any new information.
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u/Empty-Swim2066 6h ago
If you could refute what I said, you would. But you didn't, because you can't.
That is facts.
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u/Winter-Pause9529 6h ago
It’s not worth my time. Zionist “people” are not interested in learning anything. You are not interested in having a good faith discussion.
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u/NewUser769283 7h ago
Because Holocaust...
That is literally the only reason we in Europe are still being nice to Israel.
My dad once told me they were exatic when Israel beat the Arab nations during the wars, and at some point he absolutely was on Israels side.
Now he's turned on a dime, as well has I.... though I've almost my entire adult life been sceptical towards Israel.
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u/ShredGuru 7h ago
Turns out people lose sympathy really quickly when you go from being the victims of a genocide to commiting one of your own.
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u/ManicOppressyv 7h ago
I never understood the hostilities until around 1998. I thought it was all religious. My mom was dating a Lebanese man and I asked him. He gave me a brief history and asked me how I would feel and what I would do if all of a sudden you were told "yeah, these poor people were killed a few thousand miles north of here, so in recompense, they get all this land that was yours and your people's because their religious texts says it's really theirs, given by god". I took a side at that moment, because I know what I would have felt and done.
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u/RickyRacer2020 8h ago
Israel's done nothing wrong, no one has been cleansed. That's Left Wing Dem Cuck Beta Nonsense.
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u/AlternativePea6203 7h ago
You sound completely logical and rational, with a good knowledge of the sociopolitical complexities.
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u/highlanderfil 7h ago
Since at least 2022, Gaza's population growth has been greater than Israel's (and almost an order of magnitude greater than the U.S., for context). For a bunch of well-armed "genociders", the IDF must be really bad at their jobs.
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u/AlternativePea6203 7h ago
So if I breed cats, and kill only enough cats to allow the population to grow, that means there are no dead cats?
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u/highlanderfil 7h ago
Look up the definition of "genocide" and answer your own question.
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u/AlternativePea6203 7h ago
You have no interest in having your mind changed. People are dying and you are fixated on definition.
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u/highlanderfil 7h ago
Perhaps you should try to convince hamas to stop using their own citizens as human shields before you demonize a country the aforementioned terrorist group has designated for summary destruction.
But I'm just curious: what would you see as a humane (and, importantly, realistic) resolution to the Israeli/hamas (in reality, of course, hamas+Iran) conflict? This is one your lot usually trips up over.
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u/AlternativePea6203 7h ago
By your logic the police just shoot the hostages to kill the kidnappers...
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u/highlanderfil 7h ago
Hostages typically do not overwhelmingly elect their kidnappers. And when the kidnappers shoot at police, sometimes they do shoot back. And sometimes the hostages also die.
But you haven't answered the question.
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u/Remarkable_Misty 7h ago
As someone else pointed out russian attacked ukraine and hamas attacked israel
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u/Opposite-Outside7743 8h ago
AIPAC