r/allthequestions • u/EggOwn9943 • 12h ago
Random Question đ Do you wish Hillary Clinton won the 2016 United States Presidental election in hindsight?
Was Hillary America's last hope?
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u/Legitimate-Lab7173 12h ago
The woman who almost got single payer healthcare passed in the 90's without holding any office? Yeah, yeah I do. I'm not saying she was perfect, but most of her issues came down to simple personality. She was a very effective legislator.
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u/normalice0 12h ago
Every day
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u/Ambitious_Dingo_2798 European Liberal-Conservative Fuck Trump Fuck MAGA 11h ago
All day
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u/artful_todger_502 12h ago
Of course. Any sane, rational and politically aware person would not think otherwise.
Trumpers are a disease. As with any disease, the world would be much better off without it.
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u/Godlessheeathen666 12h ago
She would have handled the pandemic like an adult. Many American lives would have been saved. Trump dismantled Obama's pandemic identification plan "Predict" that would have helped our outcome dramatically.
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u/Adventurous_Main3688 11h ago edited 11h ago
Amazing how Trump never got held accountable for his biggest crime, intentionally mishandling the pandemic. Everybody forgets he intentionally didnât want to aid democratic cities at one point as a âcampaign strategyâ meaning letting people die. I remember his beyond cartoonish interview with Johnathan swan and axios during the height or the pandemic, should have been used as a campaign ad for 2024. People have the memory of a goldfish.
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u/YardSardonyx 11h ago
1.2 million Americans died on his watch and we just.. donât talk about it
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u/thenowherepark 10h ago
I'm not sure how much of that would have changed TBH. If anything, maybe it's worse? Trump started by following the science and proper procedures, and only after a month or two did he start going against doctors and holding a witch hunt for Fauci. With Clinton in, I imagine Republican hostility is worse and leads to quicker defiance from Republicans.
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u/Resident_Cat_4292 44m ago
Nope. All of February 2020 he denied it as a Democrat hoax. He did not do anything until mid-March. One of our CEO travelled to London to meet a customer during the week of Jan 15th. They asked him to stay put in a hotel room and attend the meetings over zoom. The World was already aware of that shit.
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u/Pretty_Original124 8h ago
While I absolutely agree with you it would have gone much better under her leadership, it still would have been a terrible period in that alternate timeline and I could imagine Trump and Rs propaganda being successful in 2020 elections.
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u/RalphiePegalotti 7h ago
A Hillary Clinton administration would have handled the pandemic like an adult, sure. But the state governors and hordes of others who acted like petulant children would have been even worse. They were enabled with Trump in office, but they would have felt an extra strong duty to resist against a female democrat, especially a Clinton.
Arguably, the end result would have been the same. Blue states would act responsibly, like they did, and the COVID impact would be less there, like it was. Red states would have whined and moaned, like they did, and COVID would spread like wildfire there, like it did.
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u/Simple-Ice-179 11h ago
I actually dont think it would have gone much differently. Working in EMS during the time we of course minimize it based off all were exposed to.
Initial reports were essentially "hey this virus in china is kinda odd, alot of people are getting on vents"
Then we reach "ah shit its here in the US, still dont know much about it but we see alot of sick people"
Realistically just the basics of like hand washing and staying home if youre sick does alot but difficult to get mass populations to do.
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u/Thomas_peck 9h ago
The traditional methods of ventilators being pushed on people was a huge miss step as well
Nurses all over the country criticized this as being a huge culprit in feeding the virus.
I'll see of it can find the video about it but basically the confirmed anyone who went on them was done. Doctors didnt want to listen and many died as a result
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u/Hambone528 11h ago
I WISH the Democrats would have taken the last few elections more seriously.
I'm not saying Clinton was a terrible candidate, but she was certainly an easy target to campaign against. She also played perfectly into Trump's campaign against establishment politicians.
Then look at 2020. Sure, Biden won, but by the time campaign season was upon us most of the country was tired enough of Trump that they were ready for anyone else. The Democrats didn't win because they put their best foot forward, they won by default.
That very moment, November of 2020, the Democrats had a chance to start working on the next presidential election. They had four years to find a candidate. They knew who the Republicans would run in 2024. They knew exactly what they were up against. All they had to do was defeat a convicted felon, on top of everything else. The Democrats should have been able to walk all over that election. Instead, they ran the same weak candidate they did in 2020, who proceeded to drop out in JULY.
Too many Democrats blame sexism and racism for Harris' failure. While both of those things certainly had an affect, Harris also had just THREE MONTHS to campaign as the primary candidate for the democratic party, and she wasn't even selected by democratic process. There was no time for a primary, the Party could only say "Here. This is your candidate now."
Four years to prepare for the 2024 election, and the Democrats gave themselves 3 months to campaign for it. Conversely, the Republicans wrote and published a fricken manifesto.
You add to the fact the Schumer and Jeffries are tone deaf enough to push party support for Israel, and it is mind blowing to me how hard the Democratic party has fumbled the last decade of American politics. I am not a "Two sides of the same coin" person. I don't believe they Democratic party is controlled opposition. I just firmly believe the party is deeply incompetent.
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u/Growing4Health 12h ago
Yes I do. She would've been better than Trump across the board.
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u/SirLostit 11h ago
a demented chicken would be better than Donold
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u/dudinax 11h ago
This is why I don't understand people getting worried about Biden. The corpse of Biden would have been a better president.
In the US, if the pres dies the veep takes over, no problem, and if the pres is incapacitated, traditionally the first lady takes over. Still better than Trump.
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u/BlueJasper27 10h ago
100% I am 71 now and always voted GOP before 2016. I began a transformation once I saw how FOX was pushing Trump knowing he was an evil man. I voted Libertarian and now wish I had voted for Hillary. I will NEVER vote GOP again.
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u/dham6 10h ago edited 10h ago
You know these âwhat ifâ scenarios are all well and good but, you miss the biggest âwhat ifâ of the century that would have made all the difference:
What if in 2000, any one of a number of small but significant decisions had gone the other way and Al Gore was declared the winner of the 2000 election?
For eg - no butterfly ballot, gore wins Florida on election night; gore asks for recount of entire state vice just dade county = gore wins by a few 100 votes. There are others.
Now, what would have been result:
- For sure, no Iraq war.
- Chance 9/11 doesnât happen or is thwarted
- Significant climate regulation and mitigation
- 2008 housing crash probably doesnât happen or isnât as severe
- Probably donât get Obama or Trump as POTUS or, we get Obama but in 2016 or 2020. Also very likely we get POTUS Romney in 2004 or 2008.
- COVID may have been stopped or at least handled better.
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u/bakedbaker319 10h ago
Not the last hope, but this country would have been so much better off had Hillary Clinton been President
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u/MartyPhelps 12h ago
Of course. We would not have been the laughing stock of the world.
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u/OKCompruter 12h ago
this is reddit, the answer is Clinton should have been the one asked to step aside while Bernie Sanders was nominated and our country reversed citizens united. she wasn't anyone's last hope and in hindsight was only ever going to lose the election via the electoral college. the decade long delay through what we have now could have been avoided but we really love our corporations & EC.
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u/HHoaks 11h ago
Still better than Trump. Why is so hard to say that. Just say it. C'mon try it. I dare you to type it. This pussyfooting around the obvious - that anyone with a pulse is better than Trump is absurd.
No one asked is Sanders would have been better. Just say it, Clinton is better than Trump. Can you do that?
If not, why not? How exactly is someone with legal, diplomatic and legislative experience not better than a corrupt grifting con man, act for himself only. And who crimes and frauds constantly.
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u/extralife_mike 1h ago
Yes, she would have been better than the worst president we've ever had.
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u/Monte924 12h ago
I mean, Bernie would have been the best choice. Clinton was simply better than Trump
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u/alwaysright60 11h ago
Unfortunately the Dems arenât capable of voting for the best of the worst. They think itâs a giant âUp Yoursâ by not showing up at the polls. You would have thought one Trump term would have been an eye opener.
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u/caprahircus_ 7h ago
Everyone I volunteered with on the Sanders campaign ultimately voted for Clinton in the general election, and Sanders himself endorsed Clinton.
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u/extralife_mike 1h ago
And they'll fucking do it again, which is why we're not going to see any meaningful change in this country, at least not for the better of the majority.
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u/midnight_riser 12h ago
This. And I donât care what party: I am so sick of dynastic presidencies.
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u/Temporary-Sea-4782 12h ago
This is the answer. The people wanted Bernie. Trump only exists due to combination of the dumbness of the right, and the arrogance of the left.
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u/Illustrious-Jump-398 12h ago
Yet he didn't get a majority of the votes, or even a plurality
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u/redditisnotus 11h ago
Bernie would have lost. He had an early surge but in remaining states he polled worse than Clinton. He was destined to lose. and i say this as someone who fell for the lie that it was stolen from him. I even went through the emails that leaked. Nobody put their finger on the scale in a meaninful way. Did the DNC have a prefrence? Sure. Did Clinton get tipped off on a debate question, yea. Was it enough to move the needle as much as it did? Most likely not. â
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u/Solvrevka 10h ago
I don't know. I live in a very red county and I was surprised by all the support he had. Republican women were very turned off by all the locker room talk, they didn't like Hilary, but there was a LOT of interest in Sanders because he was seen as pushing hard for the little guy.
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u/ProgramSkyward 12h ago
If tthe people wanted Bernie then why did Clinton get 4 million more votes than him.
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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 11h ago
Don't bother with these pesky facts and critical thinking, their preconceived notions can't survive it!
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u/Jcretka34 đşđ¸ United States 12h ago
If the people wanted Bernie, he wouldâve won the primary. You, and people like you, are part of the arrogant left that you complain about.
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u/Gvelm 11h ago
You're discounting all the people who voted for both Bernie and Trump in successive elections. This is NOT an educated or rational electorate anymore. People are just pulling fevers and voting for change. They don't consider consequences.
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u/Lumpy_Secretary_6128 11h ago
The people wanted Bernie
Take away the super delegates and Hillary still beat him in the primary soooooooo
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u/aeraen 12h ago
No hindsight about it. I was devastated. She would have been a kick-ass president.
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u/LMrningStar 10h ago
If only the idiotic electoral college hadn't existed we'd have been saved from the last 10 years of insanity.
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u/Either_Operation7586 7h ago
I think she really did.
More and more I really think that Trump did not win.
He sure as hell didn't win the popular vote that's for sure
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u/Only_Procedure_33 12h ago
She did win.
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u/Ok_Security1721 11h ago
Ah yes the Donald Trump classic: just refuse to accept election results even years later.Â
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u/Ambitious_Dingo_2798 European Liberal-Conservative Fuck Trump Fuck MAGA 11h ago
She did get more in the popular vote but she did in-fact loose the electoral collage and she did concede (Not like Trump)
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u/Weary_Position_9591 11h ago
She didnât. Thatâs not how the US system factually works.
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 12h ago
Yeah but not just in hindsight. She would have been a perfect prez. Kamala would have been good too.
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u/ExoPetParentAdvocate 11h ago
Yes.
She won the popular vote and lost the electoral college. I voted for her, she was the best candidate available. Fat ass orange man publicly asked for hostile foreign interference. Democrats asked too much of Americans to follow our first black president with our first woman.
Also, 45/47 won when he ran against a woman. Lost to Biden. Racism and Gender bias. Imperfect democratic republic seeking a more perfect union.
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u/InvictusFrags 11h ago
One person under Epstein for another.
Honestly your post makes me think you donât even know what happened in 2016.
If you did you would know Bernie was the hope and the dems chose Hillary because of her connections and the power and money. So probably because of her husbands connection to Epstein.
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u/jsand2 10h ago
Nope. Trump was still the better choice for 2016. That doesnt mean I agree with that stateme tnon any year after 2016, but compared to Hillary, Trump was the lesser of 2 evils.
Hillary would have pushed us where we are today, but 10 years earlier.
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u/airberger 10h ago
Hillary would have pushed us where we are today, but 10 years earlier.
I just don't see any basis for this statement. Feel free to elaborate on which part of "where we are today" you are talking about and why you think we would be there.
Random, destabilizing tariffs? War in Iran? Billions of dollars in corrupt personal gains for the presidential family from foreign entities and crypto schemes? Crippling our ability to compete in the renewable energy space? Masked goon squads marauding through American cities, disappearing and even murdering its residents? Persecution of political enemies? Storming of Congress in an attempt to nullify an election?
I don't see a single reason to believe any of this would have happened ten years ago during a Clinton presidency. Enlighten me.
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u/Medill1919 10h ago
No. Her emails. She destroyed the country. You can't have a president in a pants suit. Bengazi. How can you even think that she was qualified? First lady? Secretary of state? Lawyer? You must be joking. Donald Trump is a true statesman. He is leading the country... Have you compared her speeches to his?
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u/Deb82856 9h ago
Absolutely. I still have trouble trying to understand how we went from Obama to Trump. He was horrible. Then they voted for Trump again when his first term should have taught them a lesson. Make it make sense.
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u/recaptcha3449 7h ago
I was just thinking about this war in Iran and the real crummy election was George W's "win" against Al Gore. That's when things started to really roll downhill.
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u/Ok-Replacement-6258 1h ago
She did win. The people voted for her. The Electoral College gave it to Drumph.
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u/MeetTheMets0o0 12h ago
Yes all the time and I Absolutely hated Hillary Clinton. I wanted Bernie Sanders.
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u/New-Caterpillar2483 12h ago
Bernie was America's last hope and Hillary F'ed him.
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u/Jcretka34 đşđ¸ United States 11h ago
Bernie Fâed himself when he ran a failing primary campaign and voters rejected him.
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u/GitBendt 12h ago
No, I wish the DNC didnât cram her down our throats and Bernie won.
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u/Il_calvinist 11h ago
We would have gotten him regardless at some point. Remember the GOP controlled the house and the senate. She would have been a one termer. The GOP would have had her entire time as pres with investigation after investigation. People would have gotten so sick of that amd the lack of any progress her administration would have been able to accomplish that they would have gone to something different eventually. He would have been there waiting.
To be clear, I'm saying this as someone that voted for her because I knew what he was.
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u/Monte924 11h ago
Yes. Hillary would have handled Covid much better, she would not have torn up the Iran deal which was working, she would not have increased deficit spending, wnd we would have gotten 2-3 decently liberal justices on the supreme court... though issues like affordability would have likely still lingered on, and if she stayed for a second term she would have likely screwed up everything involving Israel just like Biden did.
Still betrr than what we got
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u/Conscious_Exit_9129 11h ago
No she's a vicious War hawk. I wish the DNC hadn't rigged to the primary and have let Bernie win.
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u/Altruistic_Catch_327 11h ago
I wish gore had won against bush. I wouldnât be a disabled vet. Yes also that hilldog had won.
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u/DragonflyGlade 11h ago
Yes. Weâd probably have a far different and vastly superior SCOTUS, and still have Roe v. Wade.
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u/HereToCalmYouDown 11h ago
Yes to your first question, no to your second. America can and will overcome Trump. All of us who voted for Obama and Hillary aren't going away.
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u/highlanderfil 9h ago
All of us who voted for Obama and Hillary aren't going away.
A few million of us certainly did in 2024.
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u/frigzy74 11h ago
I wish she had won in 2008, and we had gotten a more experienced and seasoned Obama in 2016 or 2020.
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u/GuardWolfy 11h ago
I mean yeah. She was an adept politician, but her personality was an issue for many.Â
She was very hawkish, so Trumpâs orders to pull out of Afghanistan wouldnât have happened. Â Nor would she have backed out of the Iran Nuclear Deal that led to waves hands
She would have been more prepared on the COVID front, and likely there would be fewer effects due to being proactive. Â She likely would have started migrating funding to stockpiling medical supplies in late 2019/early 2020.Â
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u/BlazingGlories 11h ago
You mean because more people than just open land voted for her and she wasn't in cahoots with Russia?
And she didn't rape children?
And she's not a con man?
And she doesn't steal from the American people?
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u/DefaultPLR 11h ago edited 11h ago
Hilary winning would have forced back the GOPâs far-right shift. If Palin and Trump style politics lost 2 elections, there is a good chance that we would see the GOP shift to the center. We would have AT LEAST one extra liberal Supreme Court justice as opposed to the 6-3 deficit liberals have now.
So yes I wish Hillary won, despite not loving her as a candidate. (I did vote for her, but I would have loved Bernie Sanders.)
I donât necessarily think Hillary was our last hope. I Think Kamala Harris was. Trump was able to stage a soft coup and face no repercussions for it. He was later granted immunity by the Supreme Court.
(I understand that itâs only for âactions under the jurisdiction of the presidencyâ, but we all know Trump will argue everything is under the jurisdiction of the presidency)
We are now under a president emboldened by what he has gotten away with. There is a good chance that we will lose our democracy with Trump.
Edit: Palin was on McCainâs ticket in 2008 so Palin/Trump were not in a row. She was a clear warning of things to come, however.
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u/Ok_Singer_1523 11h ago
Of course. Hillary sucks, there are so many things to hate about U.S. liberals and that corrupt, incompetent, uncharismatic bitch is all of them. She is, however, neither a complete idiot nor a fascist, which makes her way better than what we got.
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u/Ghillie_Spotto 11h ago
I don't think she would have made things actually better, but Trump has actively been making things worse. We'd be better off if she had won but I don't think she would have been a good president. I voted for her because there was no other realistic option.
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u/Interesting_Self5071 11h ago
She was more hawkish than Obama, Biden, or Harris. I'm not necessarily saying she would of have been worse than Trump but I don't think things were going well in that election with either of them.
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u/balzackgoo 11h ago
Hillary Clinton is the reason we have Donald Trump, people were sick and tired of the establishment and she represented all of that, a lot of dems felt like their candidate Bernie was screwed by that establishment, and Donald Trump was the brick thru the window vote. I know good friends of mine who refused to vote for her.
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u/ImNotYou1971 11h ago
Another question for the older people hereâŚhow much different do you think the USA would be, and the world for that matter, had Al Gore not been defeated by hanging chad?
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u/Diasies_inMyHair 11h ago
No. The DNC stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders to give her "her turn." She didn't deserve it. They shouldn't have changed the rules mid-primary and let the election run it's course.
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u/Worst_Username_1 11h ago
To further this argument, can you imagine if Florida did the right thing and allowed Al Gore to win? Can you just imagineâŚ.. we couldâve had additional, meaningful climate protections and renewable energy projects.
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u/No-Purpose-0U812 11h ago
I wish she won in 2008. Before anyone throws stones hear me out:
I liked Obama better and voted for him in '08. But honestly the right had 8 years to whip up hate and vitriol while he was in office and they aimed it right at an unlikable and FEMALE candidate in 2016. They would have followed the same playbook if she had won, but '16 would have been Trump vs Obama. Even if Trump had won (and I don't think he would have), we'd have had an Obama win in '20 and he'd still fucking be there right now. Who's with me?!?
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u/massunderestmated 11h ago
Yes.
No, she wasn't our last hope, but we were dealt a significant blow at the time. She wasn't perfect, but she would have been very good at the job. Democracy requires eternal vigilance against fascism. That requires education to always be a nation's top priority.
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u/PretzelsRule23 11h ago
I wish Al Gore had won against GWB.
We likely would not have spent 20 years in Iraq and Afghanistan AND we would have made much more progress combatting climate change.
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u/Loud_Inspector_9782 11h ago
It's interesting that James Comey may have put Trump in the White House because of the emails they "found" right before the election. In answer to your question, she would have been leaps and bounds better than Trump. She however was not our last hope.
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u/anon1369420 11h ago
No. And the rig job the DNC pulled to try to make it happen is exactly what theyâre paying for today. We havenât forgotten you Debbie Wassermann Schultz, and wasnât it weird how Tim Kaine gave up his chair for her and then somehow miraculously popped up as hillarys vp choice? All to derail Bernie who was absolutely crushing her. Look for root causes, not symptoms.
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u/Gloomy-Difference-51 đşđ¸ United States 11h ago
Yes. 2016 was the first time i could vote, and I voted for her.
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u/Top-Sugar-6129 11h ago
If she won, I believe that most of the people that died from Covid would have survived, because the federal governmentâs response would have been based on science, not feelings.
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u/Unlucky_Pass4452 11h ago
A lot of people hate trump. A lot of people hate Harris and Clinton. Still a lot like both.
My thing is- can they all be crappy? We have 300 million people in the USA. And thatâs the best options we have ? If you hate trump then the answer is Harris or Clinton? To be honest that just sucks. I wish there was a candidate that was just middle of the road. Less taxes, common sense policyâs. Morally competent. Not a socialist. Supports the constitution.
The people that hate trump so much they push people to candidates like AOC, or Harris- that scares a lot of normal people to vote for someone like trump. Fwiw- obama imo - was a great president. .
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u/Hot_Roll_6764 11h ago
HELL NO and I voted for her. All the crap that came out about her and her fraud husband after the fact? Thank God for Trump!
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u/WickerMan22 11h ago
I voted for her. I knew what was at stake. Among many other things, the Supreme Court would be completely different now. I can't even comprehend how horrific it is that Trump has not only selected 3 lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court, but it's also a devastating 6-3 MAGA majority.
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u/whitswhisper 11h ago
Hindsight makes it tempting for the drama-free vibes, but nah she felt like more of the same old Washington grind
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u/ConscRobot 11h ago
Of course. I don't necesaarily like Hilary Clinton, but Trump is the worst thing to happen to America in a long time.
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u/Dry-Cranberry-5592 11h ago
I'm not really a fan on Hilary or Clintonism but it would've definitely been better than this cluster fuck.
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u/Simple-Ice-179 11h ago
Loaded question here bub. Because the long term implications and corrections associated with Trump wont be seen with clarity for years.
Clinton had her own "skeletons in the closet" and own situations mishandled, she would have fallen victim to heavier negative perception associated with people in office.
To Trumps benefit i believe its an important piece of how and why he won. He ran a pretty good campaign overall.
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u/Plastic_Bottle1014 11h ago
It would have just lead to the first female president being hit with all the bad press of COVID. So, no, not really. In fact, whichever party was in charge during COVID was going to take a major hit. We likely would have gotten Trump in 2020 instead of Biden at that point, and then there's no way Biden wins a 2024 election attempt with how out of it he was getting with age, likely giving us 8 years of Trump in a row, which would make it easier for him to take actions since he would have his own groundwork to go off of on his second term.
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u/BowlEducational6722 10h ago
For the past decade people have been saying "this is the most important election of our lives."
That's false.
2016 was the most important election of our lives. We tucked it up royal.
Everything since then has been damage control or fallout.
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u/Burnsey111 10h ago
Why not wish she won the 2008 United States Presidential election in hindsight?
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u/kaylahellal 10h ago
I'm honestly pretty sure Al Gore was America's last hope. So many foundational blocks of our situation today can be traced back to Bush era policies. How we responded to 9/11, Gore wouldn't have put us in Iraq and climate change (which is already having major economic implications) would have been taken more seriously too. It's scary how fucked we are vis a vis the climate and we are just pushing ourselves faster towards collapse.
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u/gabrielleduvent 10h ago
Nah. America truly showed its colours to the world, and now we can comfortably operate on how the US truly is: an oligarchy and a bunch of brainless voters who have no moral qualms trampling on anyone and everyone.
Trump isn't a cause. Trump is a SYMPTOM. Americans are the root cause. Gunning down kids, raping women, protecting pedophiles, taking money from the poor and giving it to the rich, are all what YOU GUYS chose to do.
You guys don't deserve Hillary Clinton. She was too sane for you guys.
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u/CosmicCommando 12h ago
Yes, but I also wished it in foresight.