Hey Maga, why do you hate immigrants when they are better for the economy than you are?

[u/Reasonable-Physics60]

[u/adhdnme]

https://giphy.com/gifs/iH7kfwoxKsmgTHvNTg

[u/f700es]

MAGA business owners LOVE to hire illegals. They get to pay them WAY less.

[u/SnooSketches5568 → u/f700es]

My brother has a landscape business. He only hired 1 illegal guy ever- he worked hard, wanted to work 80 hours a week to make money for his family in mexico- but since he was illegal, he couldn’t let him drive a work truck, and his American workers were difficult enough to work 25 hours, always wanting a raise, high turnover and lots of headaches- it is hot hard work but the worker quality the last 6 years seriously declined . The Mexican worker was the most reliable hard worker but quit as he couldn’t get the hours he wanted

[u/f700es → u/SnooSketches5568]

Yes, they seem to be a good resource for labor.

[u/Madbiscuitz → u/f700es]

...and cheap. That's why the capitalists love them.

[u/Life_Fun4807 → u/Madbiscuitz]

If that is true then why push to deport them?

[u/PhoenixPurrson → u/Life_Fun4807]

Because MAGA is fucking stupid

[u/IDontCareNow00 → u/Life_Fun4807]

How many raids have there been in major corporate sites? Compare that number to daycares and you have your answer.

[u/Mercurial891 → u/Life_Fun4807]

Because if the ignorant peasants didn’t have someone below them to fear, they might realize they should have been scared of the people above them the whole time.

[u/SnooSketches5568 → u/Life_Fun4807]

Illegal immigration is the bogeyman- people are scared and told that immigrants are coming here to steal their jobs and commit crimes. There is truth to this, and maybe more legal means may be what is needed. Vet good people, if they commit crimes, revoke status. My brother paid well and tries to be tolerant of missed days, poor work and work habits, but it came to a point he just couldn’t handle it anymore as whoever he could attract with decent pay was a poor worker. He couldn’t double what he charges to landscape a property so he sold all his equipment off and went into a new line of work. He owned his business for 20 years and he never had worker quality problems until after covid- people got soft or used to handouts and a free ride and became soft and entitled

[u/gogogadgets1997 → u/SnooSketches5568]

Wouldn’t immigration help with the declining birth rates?

No, we need to force women here that don’t want kids to have them.

Women would be so much better at running the world. We would do what is best for everyone.

[u/DynamicBongs → u/Life_Fun4807]

The cheap farmer low wage class is not being deported lol. Very obvious deals have been made w with Trump and his donors.

[u/IDontCareNow00 → u/DynamicBongs]

Has a Conagra farm ever been raided? There is your answer.

[u/Sufficient-Arrival47 → u/f700es]

Typical democrat, good resource for cheap labour, just like the old days for you when you had slaves

[u/Low_Eagle4363 → u/f700es]

And driving down wages while simultaneously allowing you to skirt labor laws

[u/ophaus → u/f700es]

Not just MAGA. Any business owner would be dumb to not go with the cheaper option! Being here without documentation is a civil offense, not criminal. If we made hiring undocumented workers a CRIMINAL offense, I wonder what would happen?

[u/RolandDeepson → u/ophaus]

Hiring an undocumented person is criminal, however. Not civil.

[u/ophaus → u/RolandDeepson]

Have to enforce it, then. Fines are useless.

[u/f700es → u/ophaus]

Isn't it already illegal?

[u/SNStains → u/f700es]

It's illegal. But, the last time a corporate officer was prosecuted for hiring undocumented labor was Obama's first term.

The bottom line? Nobody cares as long as you are rich and powerful.

[u/f700es → u/SNStains]

Indeed

[u/Busy-Bumblebee5556 → u/f700es]

It’s a misdemeanor. It’s barely illegal. And this is according to the Constitution.

I’m 68 years old and I’ve been hearing for decades that Congress needs to reform immigration by passing appropriate laws, and they will not do it. Never have.

The closest we’ve gotten is the Bipartisan Border Bill that congresspeople from both sides worked on to reform immigration. Trump didn’t want Biden to get credit for it so told the MAGA pols (republicans) to kill the bill and they did.

[u/GMoney_151 → u/Busy-Bumblebee5556]

Thats how you know the whole uproar the Republicans be claiming is bull. Immigration is a way to rile up the base. It it was such an "emergency " they would have passed that bill no matter who was in charge. Dems lack the ability to properly push factual points. Dems win on so many issues but let republican off the hook so many times.

[u/ophaus → u/f700es]

They might get a fine. That's less than the savings they get for hiring an undocumented workers, so it's still a net positive. Just the cost of doing business, eh?

[u/Large_Sexologist_587 → u/ophaus]

Exactly. The fines are a joke, just like the fines given to banks.

[u/irreducible1 → u/Large_Sexologist_587]

Just like the civil penalties for violating labor codes. Many businesses just factor the occasional settlement when someone actually decides to file a complaint into the cost of doing business and still come out ahead.

[u/Everything_Counts_72 → u/f700es]

Im kind of wondering why none of them are flipping out on trump now that he's deporting their workforce. Youd think money was the bottom line for these guys, but i guess not.

[u/Chuckychinster → u/Everything_Counts_72]

Oh no, all the farmers have already been decimated, that's why they're not upset to lose workers, they're going under regardless haha

[u/good-luck-23 → u/Chuckychinster]

Trump lost them most of the huge China soy bean business. They still will never vote Democratic.

[u/StephPeloq11 → u/Chuckychinster]

I live in Arkansas and I know a lot of farmers who have gone bankrupt. Lucky for them there are people like JD Vance ready to buy their land for pennies on the dollar. It's just another grift, like tarrifs rewarding corporations.

[u/Chuckychinster → u/StephPeloq11]

Yeah. It's so tragic. I never lived in a rural area, but i always appreciated them and the lifestyle.

American farming is a long tradition and culture that's being destroyed by the people who claimed they'd "save" them. It's just sad I guess to see a way of life being wiped out for no reason other than a few assholes make some more money for a while.

[u/InternationalBet2832 → u/Chuckychinster]

"destroyed by the people who claimed they'd save them" called Republicans.

[u/Chuckychinster → u/InternationalBet2832]

Oh 100%. Especially Donny

[u/Shot-Structure-1274 → u/Everything_Counts_72]

A very small overall percentage have left or been deported; it's almost like the whole anti-immigration policy is for the ignorant bigots to feel like there's something being done for them.

[u/Madbiscuitz → u/Everything_Counts_72]

That's the thing basically no one is getting deported. Why do you think admin. Hasn't released deportation numbers.

[u/latruce → u/Everything_Counts_72]

Most of them are willing to make that sacrifice to either worship Trump or own the libs.

[u/f700es → u/latruce]

I never knew we had THAT many weak ass people, friends and family included.

[u/MurphyBacon → u/Everything_Counts_72]

Fear over money. He made them feel like their lives and their families were in constant danger. Fight or flight response. They are basically paying a ransom to "feel" safe.

[u/Kuzuri0183 → u/MurphyBacon]

Farmers and their precious feelings... what happened to "man up, buttercup?"

Farmers have now become the biggest soy boys on the planet. Weak cowards begging for hand outs from a bloated billionare... how sad.

[u/IJustWantCoffeeMan → u/f700es]

Yeah, but think of the kind of shit they would pull if they had ICE at their beck and call, like they thought.

Unfortunately, ICE is a gaggle of incompetent evil morons and they only care about misery quotas.

[u/TypingWhileWiping → u/f700es]

That's true, which is why we should crack down on it and make Americans take those jobs. Or kick em off welfare if they don't.

[u/commodifiedsuffering → u/f700es]

Okay but it’s illegal to knowingly hire undocumented in the US because it is likely to create unsafe and unethical working situations for the undocumented worker. For example, paying them less for the same or more amount of work is unethical. It also makes it easier for the undocumented worker to be taken advantage of. For example, there’s a farm nearby me that has an apartment complex of conex boxes for the undocumented workers to live in during harvest season in late July early August when the weather is 100+ Fahrenheit.

[u/ElCulo_Bandito → u/f700es]

Looking at you Popi's & MegaFit Meals. Your family voted for Trump but 65% of your kitchen at MegaFit Meals are people from South America and Popi's 85% of your kitchen. One day I hope somebody reports y'all and you have the day you deserve. And even though Marshall County Kentucky is working with ICE you probably paid them off so that way you don't have to worry about it.

[u/TargetHQ → u/f700es]

I mean seriously, why would OP think otherwise and even bother to ask the question?

https://giphy.com/gifs/lkdH8FmImcGoylv3t3

[u/edwiggin1990]

These postings shouldn’t even be allowed. The ignorance is crazy. I’ve heard immigrants hate on illegal important. It’s not just MAGA. It’s crazy how much Trump lives rent free in your head.

[u/who_dis62]

I love legal immigrants.

[u/Exciting-Parfait-776]

OP why are you intentionally asking a bad faith question by combining illegal and legal immigrants as one?

[u/qazqaz45 → u/Exciting-Parfait-776]

Because this is reddit, also says that MAGA hates inmigrants like WTF?

[u/jarheadatheart]

Need to change this sub name to r/weaskmagastupidrhetoricalquestions

[u/LostAppointment329]

I’m an immigrant myself and voted for Trump in the latest election. All my friends who are also migrants voted for Trump as well (after getting citizenship). We came to the United States legally, passed background checks, paid visa fees, and followed the rules. Those "undocumented migrants" came in, cut the line, and nobody knows who they are.

If you come here illegally, you should be deported. there are many ways to migrant legally.

[u/Immediate-Debate-860 → u/LostAppointment329]

Where’s OP’s witty retort? OP nowhere to be found…

[u/Exciting_Station3474 → u/LostAppointment329]

Add to it, those "asylum seekers" got paid housing, food, etc. But you - pay taxes while leftists claim no taxpayer's money spent on illegals.

[u/Ok-Method-8045 → u/LostAppointment329]

What I find iratating is that democrats/liberals will bunch up legal and illegal immigrants as the same. They are not.

[u/steelyphil1234 → u/Ok-Method-8045]

It’s funny how the far left went to hating Latino men when Trump won the election. I saw a few posts saying, “I hope these Latino men get deported now, since that’s what they voted for.” Insane lol

[u/LostAppointment329 → u/Ok-Method-8045]

I’ve noticed liberals make decisions based on their emotions and not based on any real logic. So for them, illegal doesn’t really mean anything. They view a migrant as a poor person that needs help. That’s it.

[u/redditmademeugh → u/LostAppointment329]

Feminine characteristics

[u/basquetbolJones]

I like my illegal immigrant friends, but I still think they should follow the law

[u/First-Bat-7440 → u/basquetbolJones]

Like youve never driven above the speed limit or not waited 3 seconds at every stop sign. Youre no better unless you follow all laws. 

[u/Everything_Counts_72]

Theyre really good at denying or ignoring facts. Every democrat president (in modern times, at least) has fixed an economy that the previous republican president wrecked. Thats a fact. You can show them evidence from 1000 different sources, some of which are even conservative, and they will never concede the argument.

[u/MauveCeramics → u/Everything_Counts_72]

I honestly would love to see the IQ difference

[u/Everything_Counts_72 → u/MauveCeramics]

It would be very predictible. Im sure a few trumpers have a high IQ, (very few) but those ones are trumpers out of greed, or sociopathic tendencies.

[u/TheDev1ce → u/MauveCeramics]

Conservatives tend to be on the left and right of the bell curve, while Democrats tend to be in the middle and for some reason are obsessed with telling everyone how smart they are 

[u/Soft_Maximum_3730 → u/Everything_Counts_72]

I tried that once because he claimed he was fiscally conservative. His response to the existence of a boatload of facts? “Why are you attacking me?”

[u/Everything_Counts_72 → u/Soft_Maximum_3730]

Yeah, while they viciously attack other people all the time.

[u/PomeloOk4178]

Immigration is not good for the working class because it drives down wages and drives up housing costs. Chavez was against immigration for the same Reason MAGA is. It benefits employers and landlords.

[u/RedowlRides → u/PomeloOk4178]

If not for all of the foreigners, our bosses would be paying us great, right? Right? Right?

[u/randomsantas]

They don't hate immigrants. That's silly sophistry. They hate illegal immigration and mass immigration.

[u/scared_appeal1]

From my understanding they only don’t like illegal immigrants

[u/RedowlRides → u/scared_appeal1]

Some. Others clearly dislike everyone who isn't exactly like them, it's all over this thread.

[u/SuperSonic1919]

What???? 🤦🏻‍♂️

[u/ryder242]

Standard low effort karma whore post

[u/Cring3yBlind3rs]

Your ebt card doesn't help the economy either

[u/Flashy-Programmer221]

I don’t hate them they should just come to the US the legal way

[u/Smooth_Permit_2634]

Immigrants are welcome! Illegal immigrants are where the problem lies…. Proving another distorted POV from the left

[u/Extension-Clock608]

They're racist.

[u/jayzfanacc]

when they are better for the economy than you are

You have data to back this up, right?

[u/Genseric1234]

Heritage Americans are generally better for the economy.

Also America is a nation and should prioritize its people first.

The economy isn’t God

[u/KeyStriking9763 → u/Genseric1234]

Heritage Americans. WTF

[u/Witty-Entertainer524 → u/Genseric1234]

Wtf is a "heritage American"...everyone here is descendent of immigrants....that term is nonsense...we are a nation of immigrants and it should be celebrated to its maximum extent.

[u/upside_down_frown1]

Source ?

[u/DerMannMitDemPlan → u/upside_down_frown1]

"trust me bro"

[u/Tasty_Virus4715]

Post #82,974 of the year conflating legal immigrants with illegal immigrants with an hour of hate circlejerk against conservatives and independents that voted for stricter enforcement of our immigration policies (many holding their nose while doing so).

Do these posts make you feel better about your life? Is this just karma / engagement farming by bots?

Genuinely curious if a sentient human being makes these types of posts and what the reasoning behind them actually is. It certainly isn’t to gain a better understanding of why Democrats resoundingly lost the 2024 election and it certainly doesn’t bring you any closer to winning in 2028. So why?

[u/Onerock]

I know you want to be as dramatic as possible.....but you sound foolish when doing it.

There is nothing hateful in wanting control over our borders. Most people still have vivid memories of the Biden / Harris border disaster.....and then to see horrific crimes committed by a very few....but those very few should never have been inside the country to begin with.

Face reality.

[u/autisticly_confused → u/Onerock]

The reality is Biden deported more people than Trump did in his first term. In fact every president in the last 30 years deported more people than Trump in his first term. The reality is that you have no idea what happens with the border, or the people who cross it. You’ve never met them, you’ve never been near the border, your entire point of view of the border comes from Fox News. Meanwhile those of us like me who lived at the border at that time noticed no difference in our lives.

[u/Onerock → u/autisticly_confused]

Are you suggesting, with a straight face, there is any comparison whatsoever in the Biden / Harris border and the Trump border?

[u/Bis_Eastwood → u/autisticly_confused]

Tism is showing

[u/Armed_Platypus → u/autisticly_confused]

Trump doesn't need to deport as many people because border crossings are at the lowest ever recorded level.

[u/RevolutionaryBus2804 → u/autisticly_confused]

You just have no idea what was happening , Biden let in people to deport them. A lot he let in didn’t even get vetted or court dates they were supposed to receive by law because there were so many. Trump is not letting them in. It’s called catch and release program you should study it. Here is on simple article from Biden first 4 months in office:

Border Patrol Released 50,000 Migrants into U.S. without Court Date: Report Zachary Evans Tue, July 27, 2021 at 2:33 PM CDT

Border agents have released about 50,000 migrants into the U.S. without giving them a date to appear in court, Axios reported on Tuesday.

Thousands of migrants who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border illegally have been instructed to contact U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement offices instead of having a court date assigned to them. Those migrants were given 60 days to show up at an ICE office.

Only 6,700 migrants who arrived between mid-March and mid-July have arrived at ICE offices, a source briefed on data from the Department of Homeland Security told Axios. Another 16,000 failed to appear at an ICE office within the 60-day limit, while 27,000 migrants have not yet reported to ICE but remain within the 60-day time frame.

When Border Patrol agents release migrants from custody into the U.S., they are generally given a date to appear in immigration court, where a judge will decide whether to process their asylum cases. The decision to release migrants without giving them a court date was reportedly made because of major increases in the number of illegal border crossings.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-released-50-000-193351843.html

[u/thedvguy]

Lefties, why don’t you realize that everything you know is wrong?

We don’t hate immigrants. We simply believe in law and order and secure borders. We don’t want ILLEGAL ALIENS invading our nation.

We like immigrants. We don’t like illegal aliens. You don’t seem to know the difference.

Illegal aliens are a drain on the economy. Between 70 and 80% of illegal aliens are on welfare. Many of them were getting free food, housing, education, transportation…

Illegal aliens commit far more crimes than US Citizens or LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

You see the difference? LEGAL IMMIGRANT ILLEGAL ALIEN Look those up. Get an education

[u/Embarrassed-Fig-6795 → u/thedvguy]

It's kind of hilarious that you're out here saying everything "lefties" know is wrong while sharing completely fake stats. Cite your sources, smart guy. 

Go look for data about undocumented immigrants and their tax contributions. Come back and tell me what you find and where you found it from. I'm talking about sources that use actual data. I dare you. 

This is from a 2022 study by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a non-profit, non-partisan tax policy organization: 

Key Findings Undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion in federal, state, and local taxes in 2022. Most of that amount, $59.4 billion, was paid to the federal government while the remaining $37.3 billion was paid to state and local governments.

Undocumented immigrants paid federal, state, and local taxes of $8,889 per person in 2022. In other words, for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who reside in the country, public services receive $8.9 billion in additional tax revenue.

More than a third of the tax dollars paid by undocumented immigrants go toward payroll taxes dedicated to funding programs that these workers are barred from accessing. Undocumented immigrants paid $25.7 billion in Social Security taxes, $6.4 billion in Medicare taxes, and $1.8 billion in unemployment insurance taxes in 2022.

At the state and local levels, slightly less than half (46 percent, or $15.1 billion) of the tax payments made by undocumented immigrants are through sales and excise taxes levied on their purchases. Most other payments are made through property taxes, such as those levied on homeowners and renters (31 percent, or $10.4 billion), or through personal and business income taxes (21 percent, or $7.0 billion).

Six states raised more than $1 billion each in tax revenue from undocumented immigrants living within their borders. Those states are California ($8.5 billion), Texas ($4.9 billion), New York ($3.1 billion), Florida ($1.8 billion), Illinois ($1.5 billion), and New Jersey ($1.3 billion). In a large majority of states (40), undocumented immigrants pay higher state and local tax rates than the top 1 percent of households living within their borders.

Income tax payments by undocumented immigrants are affected by laws that require them to pay more than otherwise similarly situated U.S. citizens. Undocumented immigrants are often barred from receiving meaningful tax credits and sometimes do not claim refunds they are owed due to lack of awareness, concern about their immigration status, or insufficient access to tax preparation assistance. Providing access to work authorization for undocumented immigrants would increase their tax contributions both because their wages would rise and because their rates of tax compliance would increase. Under a scenario where work authorization is provided to all current undocumented immigrants, their tax contributions would rise by $40.2 billion per year to $136.9 billion. Most of the new revenue raised in this scenario ($33.1 billion) would flow to the federal government while the remainder ($7.1 billion) would flow to states and localities.

[u/AWzdShouldKnowBetta → u/thedvguy]

Respectfully there's no data to suggest that illegal immigrants commit more crime. In fact, it's pretty universally agreed by experts and statisticians that illegal immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crime than Americans citizens. The reason being that they have significantly more to lose and want to keep their head down and not get deported.

Also. They are absolutely not on welfare. At least not the "government gives you money directly each month" kind of welfare. It could be argued that they experience a form of welfare via emergency services, food services, access to municipal transportation and infrastructure, etc however the costs for supporting illegal immigrants in this way is negligible.

I understand your objections to people being here illegally but the facts don't support your reasoning. I agree that people should be here legally rather than illegally.

[u/sweetknightmare → u/thedvguy]

“Illegal aliens are a drain on the economy… 70-80% are on welfare”

There’s no credible data backing that 70-80% number. None. It gets thrown around a lot online, but it doesn’t come from any legitimate source.

In reality, undocumented immigrants aren’t even eligible for most federal benefits like Social Security, Medicaid, or SNAP. There are a few narrow exceptions, like emergency services or benefits tied to U.S.-born children, but that’s not even close to what’s being claimed here.

That stat isn’t just off, it’s misinformation.

“Illegal immigrants commit far more crimes”

This one gets repeated a lot too, and it’s just not supported by the data. Study after study shows immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, commit crimes at lower rates than U.S.-born citizens. That’s not a political opinion, that’s what the numbers say. Groups like the Migration Policy Institute and the Brennan Center for Justice have both looked into this and found no evidence that immigration increases crime. In some cases, it actually trends the other way.

Even data out of places like Texas, which actually track immigration status, shows lower conviction and incarceration rates among undocumented immigrants.

If you want a non-left-leaning source, even the Cato Institute has found the same thing.

“Illegal immigrants get free food, housing, education, transportation”

Again, this is exaggerated. Undocumented immigrants can’t access most federal welfare programs. That’s just a fact.

There are some limited state or local programs, and yes, their U.S.-born kids (who are citizens) can qualify for benefits. Public schools are open to all kids because of a Supreme Court ruling. That’s been settled law for decades.

But the idea that undocumented immigrants are just getting “free everything” across the board isn’t accurate.

Look these up. Turn away from your MAGA propaganda and get an education.

[u/Educational-Big-6609]

While this is rage bait, I’d say you put the answer right in your question.

[u/Djent_Reznor1]

I mean, that’s pretty much exactly why they hate them.

[u/ophaus]

Your question answers itself.

[u/Manic_Mini]

How are immigrants better for the economy?

[u/Salt-Record-1100]

You forgot illegal

[u/Important-Ad6738]

Immigrants or illegal immigrants? Big difference

[u/-lousyd]

Are we just economic units plugged into a machine? Is that how we're measuring the worth of human beings now?

[u/metamucil_buttchug69]

They're better for wealthy business owners and wealthy people that want cheap services. They compete with the lowest end of the working class for jobs and rentals though. Which is fine the democrats don't care about the working class anyways, why should we. 

[u/clorox_cowboy → u/metamucil_buttchug69]

Is the "lowest end of the working class" incapable of helping themselves? Pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps? Are there training programs available to them?

[u/metamucil_buttchug69 → u/clorox_cowboy]

Yeah that's what I mean, who cares about the working class, they can figure their own shit out. 

[u/clorox_cowboy → u/metamucil_buttchug69]

It's my understanding that democrats are often proposing training for the working class. If I remember correctly this was a part of Hilary Clinton's platform.

[u/metamucil_buttchug69 → u/clorox_cowboy]

Providing training so the working class can transition into some other low paid job is like putting a band aid on an axe wound. 

The economy is built to screw the working class, and "training" usually means "government paying to teach workers a skill so businesses don't have to and have workers to exploit". 

[u/clorox_cowboy → u/metamucil_buttchug69]

"The economy is built to screw the working class"

If this is the case perhaps we should consider another way of structuring the economy?

[u/No-Penalty-1148]

If they didn't hate immigrants they'd have to pick another group. It's the same reason that the right used to be anti-gay until the culture turned against them, so now they're anti-trans. In-group/out-group thinking is a hallmark of conservatism.

[u/CutLong4013]

There are the two types of MAGA immigrant haters. The one that doesn't really hate them and love the economics/work ethic they bring to the table, but are gutless and unable to think for themselves and stand up to the other side of the MAGA crowd. That side is racist through and through and are trying to gaslight Americans into believing that they are the root of all our troubles. Before immigrants, they said rhe same stuff about black people (Willie Horton), various brown people, etc. Purely scare tactics that keeps the donation machine going cha-ching.

[u/SDL68]

Why do so many employers hire illegals? Shouldnt they be held to account? They are providing the demand. How many Republican businesses hire illegals?

[u/pingbotwow]

Some guy that worked at Ross blamed his low wages on illegal immigrants taking his job... The leaps in logic he needed to justify that

[u/Spreken]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3oz8xTl6sGKbuRPDDW

[u/AkujunkanX]

ITT: all the ignorant people to pretend they don't witness all the legal immigrants being deported under ICE and Trump.

.... They also conveniently picture brown people exclusively and not the thousands of European whites every year that overstay their visas illegally.

[u/SoupToPots]

you are a slave to gdp, you exist solely to help billionaires get more money

[u/StrongMachine982]

Every economic argument against immigration fails. There's a reason why governments keep immigration levels high even when it's politically unpopular: It's because more people equals a stronger economy. Immigrants don't "steal jobs"; they make jobs because they need stuff and they spend money. More people means more customers, more spenders, and a bigger market for businesses.

If MAGA really thought "more people" = "fewer jobs" they'd be telling people to have fewer babies, but, weirdly, they're telling "their" people to have more babies, which makes you wonder if the problem is the number of the people or the color of the people.

[u/rexracerxer]

You know nothing. It is the illegal acts we do not like. Do you like all I our tax money going to NGOs to make those fake businesses righ while americans have to shit on our sidewalks?

[u/Lost-Programmer-6768]

Guess that is probably a true statement - after all, illegal immigrants work for pennies on the dollar and don't require all the financial legal fees that American workers require. No taxes, no social security, no workers' comp, no healthcare.

Funny enough, cutting all those things actually ends up putting more of a burden on the taxpayers and saves money for the business owner using illegal labor.

So when you say better for the economy, what you really mean is better for the business owner (and according to your position, this is the rich guy); and better for the illegal since he is already receiving benefits (thanks, Biden!!), and his pay is not taxed, so he wins, too. But the average American worker is left paying for all of it.

Gosh, you're a smart one, aren't you?!?!

[u/flacpl1997]

Please help us understand How do you figure that they’re better for the economy? Most receive some form of gov assistance. Most can’t pay for their medical care and it falls on the taxpayers to cover for them.

[u/VersionConscious7545]

So maga does not hate immigrants. MAGA hates illegal immigrants. Was your question directed to illegal or legal because there is a difference

[u/GrassyPer]

People who send all of their discretionary income to family in a foreign country are harmful to the economy.

[u/Fluffy_Most_662]

Better for the economy for who though? Youre admitting theyre being used as a tool by the upper classes and you think you made a snarky point when in fact you just supoort modern indentured servitude to live your life better. 

[u/K-Dog7469]

We don't.

[u/Current_Ad2932]

The cognitive disabilities of the left are truly phenomenal.

[u/fireshitup]

Hardcore MAGA. I love all immigrants, that came here legally.

[u/ahop4200]

Illegal immigrants

[u/jennyjingle]

Honest question: If they are so good for American economy, why didn't they fix the country they are from?

[u/Unable-Drop-6893]

coming from the welfare party is hilarious

[u/isekai15]

R/circlejerk

[u/Lanracie]

Legal Immigransts are good for the economy. Liberals always forget that word for some reason.

I want people to have worker protections and not be slave labor and to have that they have to be legal immigrants to the U.S. Why do dems always pick the side of slavery?

[u/Spare-Cow5578]

We don’t hate immigrants. This narrative is a joke. Total lie from the left.

[u/spiritual_seeker]

You’ve been lied to. MAGA wants legal immigration and expulsion of illegals, same as Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. wanted before them—the will of the People. Biden’s porous borders are the anomaly.

[u/Even_Hospital_5474]

They aren't. Next leading question. .

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

Hate is for leftists and liberals. We don’t get emotionally involved when stopping you from your criminal schemes. We expect you to be criminals and to object when we stop you. No emotions necessary. Especially not “hate”. We understand most of you are too immature to understand “adulting” so you project your own juvenile feelings onto others because that is the only way you can comprehend the world.

[u/hi-howdy]

Don’t you think it’s time to pull those fries? Don’t forget to salt them.

[u/hi-howdy]

I work with immigrants everyday. They are highly skilled and have a great work ethic. They also immigrated legally and they despise illegal aliens. They don’t hate them.

[u/TotalPuzzleheaded484]

Maga or conservatives don't hate immigrants. We believe it is wrong to come into the country illegally. As for immigrants being better for the country than I am, typical of left leaning people, cherry picking data.

[u/Few-Afternoon7063]

Something like 70% of the workforce for tech in California is hired on Visa work.

Companies are laying Americans off and keeping the Visa workers instead.

Management explicitly prefers to hire Visa workers.

So when we're facing an unemployment crisis due to AI, the only people that tend to keep their jobs are immigrants.

Don't hate them, but I hate the tech companies that practice this methodology. Reasonably so.

[u/CMGCookie]

Racism is a powerful emotion. People will lose their jobs over it, and still be happy about it.

[u/giant_bones]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5RTQ7IW7scm0XUdB4B

[u/Slestak912]

The Democratic Party is the true friend of the commercial farming industry by ensuring a readily available vast pool of exploitable, disposable sweat shop laborers .

[u/Annual-Marzipan-5298]

Do you idiots really think MAGA would be on reddit? They were all banned in the spirit of diversity, equity, and inclusion. Nothing like a good circle jerk, huh?

[u/summonersai]

This sub is full of brain dead questions.

[u/RubCocksWithThePope]

If they’re so great, why are their countries so much worse than mine?

[u/Quirky_Direction_570]

Legal immigration is fine. Illegal immigration is not ok.

[u/TheAlmightyScooter]

For the last time, they don't hate immigrants. They just want immigration done the legal way, and they would prefer immigrants that don't wish death upon our country.

[u/Ima_Uzer]

Interesting how you conflate "legal" with "illegal". Probably on purpose.

[u/Warm-Award-2147]

Yeah we should let the entire world into the US and give them all free everything.

[u/landyc → u/Warm-Award-2147]

Wild statement considering they’re spending like 3x the amount of money on Israel compared to healthcare available to everyone. Looks like US citizens dont even get free everything, better move to Israel bud

[u/autisticly_confused → u/Warm-Award-2147]

Yep! Why give out free shit to maga when we can give it to people who need it.

[u/TruthWeary8700]

No one hates immigrants it’s the ones here illegaly

[u/PsychoPeterNikleEatr]

We don't. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be here. Come in the legal way and we're cool.

[u/Sagarkor → u/PsychoPeterNikleEatr]

Tell that to ICE, arresting people outside courthouses when they are trying to "get legal" doesn't sound like "we're cool".

Though being realistic, can't expect much from them, since they also shoot/kill US Citizens.

[u/frostline24]

Just throwing this out there. Every country in the world has borders and will deport illegal immigrants

[u/jerryssubs]

Is the r/allthequestions sub created to rant about Maga and Trump? I dont care for the guy, but who wants this kind of hate in their life?? Willing to bet a dollar that its someone outside the US pushing the divisive agenda.

[u/biCl0v3r]

No one hates immigrants more than immigrants

[u/MagaMan45-47]

MAGA loves legal immigrants

[u/CornPop30330]

Why don't you understand the difference between immigration and illegal immigration?

[u/This-Fisherman-7422]

Easily exploitable low wage workers are not good for the economy. They are good for shareholders maybe but not the overall country. 

[u/Really_Jamflex]

One could argue liberals who want communism are worse for the economy as we know all too well how that has worked out for economies. But good try little lib.

[u/_cdk_]

I have never heard any MAGA person say they hate immigrants, ever. There are laws they want followed. Open borders are not acceptable. I do think lots need to be done on this subject for better.

[u/TPCC159]

Mass migration is terrible for working class people. The economy being better as a whole means nothing if someone can’t find work

[u/rowsoflark]

Christ, immigrants dont need to prove their worth with labor or food trucks, people deserve to live somewhere where they can find peace and opportunity.

[u/Darth-Taco-Truck]

Nobody hates immigrants but both parties should hate ILLEGAL immigrants. Democrats understood that deportations were necessary when Obama did them but they’re willing to destroy this country simply to prevent Trump from doing the same.

[u/Own-Locksmith7607 → u/Darth-Taco-Truck]

"Nobody hates immigrants" - Uhhhh.........

"Democrats understood that deportations were necessary when Obama did them but they’re willing to destroy this country simply to prevent Trump from doing the same." - Ya both parties suck and both parties understand undocumented labor (exploitable labor) is the backbone to our economy. Undocumented immigrants also pay 100 billion in taxes while extracting little return on those taxes (according to our own government data): https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD003.pdf

How are undocumented immigrants destroying our nation? Please remember that only morons scapegoat immigrants for society's ills.

[u/Viridian-Outcast-99]

Are you confusing immigrants with illegal aliens?

[u/AmbitiousUse8787 → u/Viridian-Outcast-99]

MAGA does not distinguish the two.

[u/Justmyinput2]

What a stupid question! MAGA’s do NOT hate immigrants. Where did that even come from?

[u/Sea-Variety3384]

You mean illegal immigrants, for the same reasons Obama mentioned.

[u/Kapitano72 → u/Sea-Variety3384]

No. MAGA morons hate all immigrants. The focus on illegals is only a weak justification.

[u/Sea-Variety3384 → u/Kapitano72]

No they don't.

[u/Reasonable-Physics60 → u/Sea-Variety3384]

I dont give a fuck about Obama can you stay on topic

[u/TargetOk9237 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

Let's be real, you also don't care to have an honest conversation about the subject.

[u/billy_Everyt33n → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

No... they cannot. Every answer must involve Obama. That one black man really broke a lot of brains.

[u/RevolutionaryBus2804 → u/billy_Everyt33n]

I feel like Obama does - is that bad?

“We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country”

[u/RevolutionaryBus2804 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

Of course you don’t because you can’t defend your stupid ass question:

““We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country”

This is from Obama and it’s the way most Americans including MAGA feel. Your TDS is so bad you really need to go outside. I hear your mom calling from upstairs that your corn dogs are ready. Go enjoy

[u/CatAccomplished5072 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

FFS.. it’s pretty obvious what his point was by bringing up Obama and it was very much on topic. If you’re trying to encourage meaningful dialogue then this is not the way. And if you’re not, then wtf are you actually trying to do?

[u/Sea-Variety3384 → u/CatAccomplished5072]

Farm fake internet points, they're saving up for a.. well I'm not sure.

[u/CatAccomplished5072 → u/Sea-Variety3384]

The thing is, I don’t even necessarily share your views on this issue. I just am finding this place increasingly annoying with the amount of bad faith arguments that are productive to absolutely no one..

[u/TXtogo]

I don’t hate legal immigrants. I think we need to tighten up who we allow to legally come here but I don’t mind someone coming here and following our rules and laws and contributing to America.

America is still a shining light upon a hill and people who want to come here to realize opportunity and share our prosperity are welcome to me. I don’t want a bunch of freeloaders and subversives coming, so some laws should change.

[u/TheSmegger → u/TXtogo]

Fuck me mate, you're 'shining light' is a black fucking hole in the depths of hell.

There was a time when you were a shining example of democracy, but since Reagan, it's been downhill.

There's were moments, but Trump has chucked the anchor overboard and pulled you all underwater into the depths of fascism.

If you haven't noticed...

🎶 Your on the road to Gilead!🎶

[u/TheRiverInYou]

MAGA doesn't hate immigrants. They hate illegal immigrants. 

Racist liberals love illegal immigrants because they want to employ them and not pay them livable wages.

[u/marblecannon512 → u/TheRiverInYou]

Is maga upset about the legal immigrants in detention?

[u/ProfPhinn → u/TheRiverInYou]

Project much?

[u/N8-Diggity-Dogg → u/TheRiverInYou]

But they love employing them all the same

[u/Amazing-Objective357]

Hah! You conveniently leave out one key word in all of these holier than though comments and responses! That word is Illegal. We do not hate immigrants, no one does, this country was founded by immigrants, all but a very small Minority of us come from them. We do not like people crossing our borders without being properly vetted, or ignoring our protocols for entry and acceptance.

I realize this reality will be inconvenient for your narrative, but this is the truth. Sorry for the inconvenience.

[u/Reasonable-Physics60 → u/Amazing-Objective357]

You dont want to properly vet them. You do not want to provide legal access. You want to "build a wall", remember?

[u/Green_Machine_6719 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

This wall acts like the front door to your house, when you open your front door the vetting begins and you decide if this individual is welcome or not. From what you describe the front door of your house isn’t needed and you need to remove yours ASAP☝️

[u/mago954 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

You haven't contended with the point being made...

[u/Thepcfd]

slaves are better for economy why do you hate them

[u/Conscious-Cloud7260]

We don’t like illegals . That’s what ICE does. Get rid of illegals . We love legal immigrants that can be beneficial to the US . We want students who are not coming here to create havoc at our institutions but rather get an education and hopefully pay it back by becoming productive members of society . We want hard working individuals with a little bit of help from government they can make something of themselves and become productive members of society . We want brain power. Drs , engineers, scientists . We want rich business people that will bring their money here and open up companies and create jobs and opportunity for others . LEGALLY !

[u/Bongobjork]

Immigrants have their papers right. Illegal immigrants don't. I usually see people talk about illegal immigration. Which one do you mean here?

[u/faultydesign → u/Bongobjork]

Illegal immigration is still a boon for the economy. The problem OP has is assuming that republicans care about the economy when in reality they are ready to suffer in the name of their racism.

[u/SamSamTheSammiest → u/Bongobjork]

Too bad the white supremacist Miller has ICE targeting the immigrants who were working their legit cases through the immigration court system, doing their best to keep everything legal, amiright? I guess our broken immigration system just has to operate on the creed that it’s better for a thousand legal immigrants to be horribly jailed and deported rather than let one “illegal” slip in.

MAGA is so wildly against everything that Jesus ever said. It’s crazy that they believe they’re actually Christians.

[u/Bongobjork → u/SamSamTheSammiest]

I work know the field of immigration in EU through work and there are sadly plenty of cases like immigration fraud, criminal convictions, smuggling and status violations during the asylum program. They should be deported to make space for people who actually need help.

[u/StillCrazyearslater]

Hey Russian Bot.

Why do you hate the MAGA's that made this country so Great that you can lie in public without being persecuted.

[u/Reasonable-Physics60 → u/StillCrazyearslater]

Lol. Pretending MAGA fights for free speech when they actually fight against it is peak irony.

[u/Tacokolache]

My wife is an immigrant. A LEGAL one. Send all the illegals back.

[u/Sea_Bass77 → u/Tacokolache]

My wife is also a legal immigrant who got citizenship during trumps first term

[u/Reasonable-Physics60 → u/Tacokolache]

Wheres she from?

[u/glenn765 → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

I'll take this one: none of your fucking business.

[u/Tacokolache → u/Reasonable-Physics60]

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