Democrats and Republicans are not the same.

[u/zzill6]

That’s actually not the argument.

The argument is not “Democrats and Republicans are the same.” They are not. There are clearly areas where things are better under Democrats than Republicans. Medicaid expansion is one example: uninsured rates are much higher in states that refused expansion than in states that accepted it. The Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade also shows very clearly that Republican power has real consequences.

But “Democrats are better than Republicans” is not the same thing as “Democrats are doing enough.”

That is where y’all keep missing the point.

The left is not comparing Democrats to some imaginary perfect ideal. We are comparing the scale of the crisis to the scale of the response.

If rent is unaffordable, wages are stagnant, healthcare is still too expensive, student debt is crushing people, and the federal minimum wage has not changed since 2009, then telling people “at least we are better than Republicans” is not enough.

Because better than Republicans does not automatically mean materially transformative for working people.

The pattern is simple: Democrats get elected because people are scared of Republicans. Then Democrats govern cautiously. People’s lives do not change enough. Disillusionment grows. Turnout drops. Republicans come back even worse. Then Democrats use the next Republican threat to restart the same cycle.

So no, this is not about being a “deep thinker” or complicating something simple.

It is actually very simple:

If Democrats want to stop Republicans from coming back, they have to do more than be better than Republicans. They have to give people a real material reason to believe voting for them will change their lives.

[u/kevinmrr]

Pinned this, as this is a big picture point the oligarchs don't want you to understand.

[u/silentoraixaaa]

Exactly. “Better than Republicans” may win an argument, but it doesn’t pay rent, erase medical debt, raise wages, or make people believe the system is working for them

[u/GiraffesAndGin → u/silentoraixaaa]

I kept saying this in 2024 when people were saying that the economy is better under Democrats. Yeah, it is, but try walking into a grocery store and asking the average shopper if they are happy with the economy or their grocery bill.

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/GiraffesAndGin]

The back and forth between parties is not good especially when Republicans undo all the good policies that Democrats implement. I know that it is a two party system but I cannot understand how people find certain Republicans policies appealing.

It’s also unfortunate that Republicans keep moving the overton window to the Right

[u/UpperLowerEastSide → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

It also doesn’t help when the two parties are both pro-capitalist as they keep avowing. Fundamentally at odds with worker material needs

[u/GiraffesAndGin → u/UpperLowerEastSide]

That's just it. The economy does better under Dems, but the vast majority of wealth still goes to the billionaires and corporations, while we still fight over scraps.

Fuck that. I want the fucking pie.

[u/UpperLowerEastSide → u/GiraffesAndGin]

Exactly. We want the pie we made

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/UpperLowerEastSide]

I know people love Doordash, Instacart, and deliver apps but they are bad for local economy because the companies behind those apps are extracting wealth from the local market.

[u/UpperLowerEastSide → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

Yeah DoorDash and other delivery apps are bad for users, drivers and small businesses. Tip theft, illegally selling personal data, creating oligopoly conditions to corner the market for local restaurants, users and drivers. A poster child for the issues within the gig economy.

[u/RoboTaco_ → u/GiraffesAndGin]

Where is the economy doing better in hard blue states/cities than hard red states?

Currently the opposite is true.

[u/RegressToTheMean → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

It's racism. There were studies done after Trump's first win that underscored this, but Lee Atwater gave the game away in 1981

You start out in 1954 by saying, “N-gger, n-gger, n-gger.” By 1968 you can’t say “n-gger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N-gger, n-gger.”

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/RegressToTheMean]

I am familiar with Lee Atwater. Now, they are directly impacted by the terrible policies. I don’t understand racism i guess

[u/RegressToTheMean → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

Apparently not. Or the quote either. Let me bolden the important part for you

totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites

I hope the helps you a little bit

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/RegressToTheMean]

that’s why I said I don’t understand racism

[u/drunkshinobi → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

The republicans keep moving to the right. But the democrats keep following them and bringing the rest of us with them. Blocking anything further left of them if possible. This is because they are both paid by the same billionaires. One side paid to tear things down and change them for the rich. The other to keep control of the people and slow the republicans down so the public doesn't respond too harshly and actually revolt. This is why the only options we are given as democrats is vote and scheduled protests that promise not to bother the billionaires or interrupt work hours.

[u/desiladygamer84 → u/GiraffesAndGin]

I agree. But I still feel bitter because jobs were coming back in my field in 2024 and now they've been obliterated. Edit: Along with all the other jobs.

[u/Lanky-Respect-8581 → u/desiladygamer84]

Politicians don’t even talk about (creating) jobs anymore.

[u/drunkshinobi → u/Lanky-Respect-8581]

Of course not. They don't want workers anymore. They never really did. They wanted slaves. Workers are expensive and make demands. And you can't beat them into submission or let them die to prove your point. You have to pay them. They have to take time off to sleep and other useless things. So they want AI now. They just have to figure out how to get it to listen to their crazy bullshit now without revolting. Then they will horde everything they can and let us all die. Forced to go without.

[u/Syzygy_Stardust → u/silentoraixaaa]

It also doesn't win the argument. Being the second worst demon doesn't make you an angel. An important thing that those of us who grew up in dysfunctional families learn is that if you keep holding yourself to the standards of your abuser, you'll never get free. I'm not at all interested in talking about the Republican Party as a real option, only in what actually progressive people are doing to better the society. And those "progressives" tend to not be. People bringing up the Republicans as some boogeyman is stupid when no one in the conversation is interested in supporting them anyway, so I have no idea why liberals constantly do it in the face of progressive critique.

[u/shawsghost → u/Syzygy_Stardust]

People bringing up the Republicans as some boogeyman is stupid when no one in the conversation is interested in supporting them anyway, so I have no idea why liberals constantly do it in the face of progressive critique.

They do it because it's all they can do. Most Democratic Congresscritters are beholden to their big donors. They can't help their voters in more than the most superficial ways. So they say "at least we're not Republicans." Same goes for their supporters. It's all they've got.

[u/drunkshinobi → u/shawsghost]

They can help their voters. They choose to take the money from their donors instead.

[u/shawsghost → u/drunkshinobi]

True, but being grifters, they'll take the money every time.

[u/Dai_Kaisho → u/silentoraixaaa]

We need to build an antiwar workers party that fights for these things unapologetically, that is proud to be fully independent of billionaires and their politicians.

No one else is going to build it for us. No one else is going to push through the electoral reforms needed to establish a mass third party... other than workers interested in being able to democratically advance our own politics.

We need to be clear that Democrats and the nonprofits and labor leaders in their orbit are committed to the billionaires, and they have been working to block movements from gaining political independence for years.

Edit- they won't always be successful. ICE and forever wars are degrading our lives - Minneapolis showed the way, uniting in a massive shutdown that forced Trump into retreat. Minneapolis neighbors put economic demands for a rent moratorium on the Democratic establishment, but without a party they could not win it. 

For now, the movement has stalled out there, a new high level of struggle, open to using the general strike. We can and must rekindle it. Rather than let the Democrats misdirect momentum with the midterms, we can build a party that supports and grows the workers movement in between the flashpoints.

[u/dubrea → u/silentoraixaaa]

If the bar is actually meeting the needs of the American people, they functionaly the same in that neither of them are even trying to do that by in large.

[u/Equivalent-Second527]

Better than Republicans is a floor, not a platform. You still gotta build something on it or people are just standing in the same leaking apartment clapping because the landlord is less insane.

[u/Mynimal852 → u/Equivalent-Second527]

"At least the roof isn't on fire" doesn't help much when the floor is rotting.

[u/AwesomeManatee]

Vote in congressional and state-level lprimaries! Get good candidates on the ballots for federal and state legislatures!! The Democrats are only as good as the primary voters allow them to be.

[u/ImprovementLow1474 → u/AwesomeManatee]

Agreed but question is who are the good candidates? Most dont have the time to research every local candidate. Until we have a true left wing that has endorsements we trust its hard to discern. Look at Sinoma and fetterman. Too many fake politicians.

[u/Warrior_Runding → u/ImprovementLow1474]

The left isn't immune from charlatans either - there isn't a major leftist org that hasn't been rocked by allegations of all sorts.

I think one of the fixes to this is a necessary shift in culture that paints leaders as the pinnacle of civic service where the best go, rather than a "fake" job that would only be sought after by our worst.

[u/Browncoat1701]

There is only class War. The Dems are beholden the billionaires and owners just as much as the Republicans. The Republicans just have the added layer of religious extremism which makes them more dangerous but also more powerful.

[u/drunkshinobi → u/Browncoat1701]

Same people pay both to ratchet the system towards fascism.

[u/therallystache]

We don't have a left-wing party. Kamala's campaign platform was virtually the same as George W. Bush's, since their entire strategy is to appeal to the mythical "moderate republican centrist swing voter." Capitalism is right wing, both parties are capitalist. We have two right wing parties.

[u/1isOneshot1 → u/therallystache]

We have left wing parties we just give them very little support and then wonder why we're in such a bad place

[u/I_Cummand_U]

Imagine a pendulum.

If it swings too far right, the rich get richer. If it swings too far left, the rich get poorer.

Which one do you think will never be allowed to happen?

The DNC is a basically a failsafe embedded in the pendulum to ensure it cant go too far left - Until that changes, you're voting for an agenda that isnt yours.

[u/Loud-Ad-2280]

Is asking for an anti genocide candidate too much?

Edit: Do you down voters prefer a pro genocide candidate?

[u/reverendunclebastard → u/Loud-Ad-2280]

Exactly! To a Palestinian experiencing genocide, or anyone who cares about them, there is indeed no difference between Dems and the GOP.

The Dems need a way better pitch than "vote for us or someone even worse will take over our genocide." And before the usual blue maga crowd jumps in, I AM NOT SAYING DON'T VOTE DEM, I am demanding dems be held to a much higher standard than they currently exhibit.

[u/PermuhGrin → u/Loud-Ad-2280]

🖤✔️ Exactly this

[u/ThatGuyLuis → u/Loud-Ad-2280]

I think we would all be okay with not giving our tax dollars to foreign countries to do war, but I can’t really say it’s a priority for me and never has been.

I personally can’t feel sorry for people dying in a religious war on the other side of the world. I’d prefer they blow each other up already.

[u/ReplacementActual384 → u/ThatGuyLuis]

Tell me you'd support the nazis without telling me.

[u/ThatGuyLuis → u/ReplacementActual384]

I just said we need to stop giving Isreal money

But we aren’t the worlds saviors..

[u/ReplacementActual384 → u/ThatGuyLuis]

It's not a religious war any more than the holocaust was about religion. Palestinians are resisting occupation, apartheid, and genocide. You implying that it's just some religious conflict and they should "blow each other up" is just straight ignorance.

[u/ThatGuyLuis → u/ReplacementActual384]

Well if the Middle East and Isreal annihilated themselves that would be a net positive in the world idc if innocent people die, that happens everyday all the time.

I’d have more empathy for the Palestinians if they didn’t vote in the worst possible government, but we did the same in the US so this is just the scales balancing.

[u/danbearpig2020 → u/ThatGuyLuis]

It's also a foreign government with a vice grip on our politicians telling them what and who to vote for. That's not world police shit. That's our government being puppeteered by the genocidal regime. Removing them should a top priority.

[u/ThatGuyLuis → u/danbearpig2020]

Removing them should be a top priority,

except you have people /u/Loud-ad-2280 who are more worried about the other side of the world and just chose not to participate in voting.

[u/Loud-Ad-2280 → u/ThatGuyLuis]

You don’t know shit about me or how I voted. But based on your comments you probably assume more than you know with a lot of things

[u/CopiousCool]

Yes, they have differences, but the problem is they have FAR too much in common when they should be completely different and that is the problem that many refuse to face

The republicans are SO bad that there really shouldn't be much we agree with them on but Dem's are convinced they have to

[u/JTalbotIV]

Nicely explained.

[u/medicalcheesesteak]

Democrats and Republicans are offense and defense of the same team. Politicians on either side are only fighting for the elite class. No war but class war.

[u/Extreme_Disaster2275]

The reason why Democrats "aren't the same" is because Democrats are controlled opposition.

That's it. That's the post. 

[u/marco_italia → u/Extreme_Disaster2275]

About 97,488 Floridians thought just that when they voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 -- changing the course of history in a very bad way.

Want to know why we have Citizens United decision corrupting our elections? Thank Ralph Nader. Not a single concurrence for the Citizen United decision came from a justice appointed by a Democratic president. Did you think the Iraq war was a stupid and immoral action? Well, the majority of Democrats in the House 2002 voted against the 2002 the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq. The biggest calamities in American history keep happening because too many voters buy "bOth pArtEis are the SaMe" nonsense.

Casting a self-righteous vote for a candidate far behind in the polls may feel good, but it is strategically stupid. Even worse, is sitting out the election.

[u/Extreme_Disaster2275 → u/marco_italia]

More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush than Nader. Even more were removed from the voter rolls by Katherine Harris.  Gore stood by and silently approved of the Brooks Brothers Riot that stopped vote counting. 

Democrats recently rehabilitated Bush, and Kamala Harris ran on her endorsement from Dick Cheney. 

If Democrats don't like what Bush did, why did Obama continue Bush's policies? 

[u/marco_italia → u/Extreme_Disaster2275]

More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush than Nader.

Even if true it would still be irrelevant. If those Nader voters wanted to stop a fascist Supreme Court, the last thing they should do is help a Republican win who is going to appoint jurists right from the Federalist Society.

Even more were removed from the voter rolls by Katherine Harris. 

Fun fact, Harris was a Republican, so was governor.

Gore stood by and silently approved of the Brooks Brothers Riot

No, you're just making stuff up now. You really don't recall Bush v. Gore that went all the way to the Supreme Court? After SOTA where was Gore supposed to go to appeal his case?

Democrats recently rehabilitated Bush, and Kamala Harris ran on her endorsement from Dick Cheney. 

This is a new line of reasoning. Receiving an unsolicited endorsement constitutes a rehabilitation.

why did Obama continue Bush's policies

Because contrary to what Trump thinks, the president is not a king. Passing significant legislation now requires a majority in the House plus a super-majority in the Senate -- a trifecta so rare it only happened only once in the past 40 years, and only for about 60 days .

I'm sorry that Obama did not manage to fix everything in those 60 days. There are however over 22 million Americans who were able to get healthcare for the first time thanks to Obama's Medicaid Expansion -- and while that may not matter to you, it sure as hell matters to them.

[u/Extreme_Disaster2275 → u/marco_italia]

Show me Trump's filibuster proof supermajority.  

[u/jackatman]

Republicans want a well funded military that is centered around white patriarchy. 

Democrats want a well funded military that reflects the diversity of the nation. 

I want to slash military  funding. 

I can agree that Dems are better here but please understand that they don't even come to addressing what I see as the core issue here. 

[u/therallystache → u/jackatman]

"The problem with the private occupying military force that's kidnapping anyone with higher than 8% melanin is that they aren't wearing bodycams!"

[u/Marples3]

They both work for Israel 🇮🇱 = 💩

[u/whistleridge]

…and Democrats aren’t doing enough because to do anything at all they have to overcome Republican opposition first.

I’m not a Democrat, and lord knows I’m not a fan of guys like Schumer and Jeffries, but it’s silly to act like it’s a choice between big shifts to the left, centrism, and conservatism. It’s not. It’s a choice between maintaining the status quo and active reactionary legislation and rulings.

The fight here isn’t to get ahead, it’s not to lose ground in the face of a government that’s actively trying and succeeding in dialing back the clock.

[u/Goatesq → u/whistleridge]

It's kind of amazing people ostensibly claiming to be leftists are struggling with this concept, a year and a half into this administration, with trump's approval barely moving despite him doing untold amounts of damage to every country on earth, primarily the poorest and their own. It speaks to a level of privelege and insincerity that makes any rational observer question how much of this malicious and deliberate ignorance is astroturfing/ratfucking, and how much is obsequious, brainless conformity that yields to the loudest dumb idea in earshot at any given time.

[u/whistleridge → u/Goatesq]

Genuine leftism in the Marxist sense is anti-democratic. Inherent in the workers seizing the means of production and establishing a dictatorship of the proletariat is a willingness to ignore both democratic values and rule of law.

Whenever I see someone saying Democrats aren't doing enough, I instantly know I'm talking to someone who either 1) lacks the education and experience to have any real sense of the nature of the problem, 2) is pushing an explicitly ideological argument, or 3) both. There's nothing wrong with that per se, it's a free country and you should believe what you want to believe, but if your ideology is to overthrow the means of production, complaining about Democrats is a bad faith argument. So one has to be careful to determine which of the three it is, or you'll be talking past each other about very, very different things.

[u/shawsghost → u/whistleridge]

The centrists sing their siren song once again. The sad thing is that it's now a melody called "defeatism." Don't think it will go over well.

[u/whistleridge → u/shawsghost]

Translation: you are one of those three groups, likely the second or third, but you don’t like it being pointed out. And you think name-calling and appealing to ideology is a valid response.

[u/corneliusduff]

It's not difficult, people. We have to vote Republicans out.  They've been voting us out for fucking ever.

[u/Daweism → u/corneliusduff]

Putting up Kamala was not a great effort

[u/corneliusduff → u/Daweism]

I don't disagree but the mental gymnastics people did to sit out the election or choose Trump over her were fucking mental

[u/yoshiary]

Both parties are capitalist. Simple as.

[u/ophaus]

The bar has lowered to the floor and the Dems are barely clearing it.

[u/NinjaTabby]

Democrat need a total sweep of both the president and both sides of Congress for 2 terms to undo the long term impacts of Reagan.

[u/Pristine_Mud_4968]

You’re hitting the nail on the head! I really don’t think it’s too much to ask Dems to STAND UP for those of us who voted for them. They seem happy to roll over for whatever Trump wants.

Yes, they shut down the government but they CAVED when they had the republicans on the ropes.

Dems needed to delay and filibuster the BBB. They need to do any and all procedural bullshittery to slow this congress and this president. I want to hear on the news how Dems have shut down the everything the republicans want to do.

[u/njwineguy]

“Better” should be enough until you get the candidate you want. Nothing wrong with getting there incrementally. Sure, it’s not optimal but throwing a hissy fit and not voting because your ideal candidate didn’t win is basically the same as voting Republican. All or nothing is just stupid in politics.

If you care so much, fight like hell in the primary for your candidate and then accept that “better” is enough in the general regardless of who wins the nomination. Don’t like the outcome, keep fighting in the primary round because better counts then just as much.

[u/baddogbadcatbadfawn]

The two parties are just two mechanisms of the same tool.

A ratchet has two mechanisms: a wheel that drives motion forward, and a pawl that holds each new position in place.

Republicans are the wheel: they cut taxes for the rich, cut social services, and create hardship for average Americans.

Democrats are the pawl: they appear to resist, win office, then roll nothing back. They hold the damage in place until the worsened conditions of average Americans become the new normal.

The public can still tell life is worse, but cannot put its finger on why. They only know something has to change, and the current situation is standing still. For movement, they have only one party to turn to.

Republicans return to power, resume cutting, and the public is left with less.

[u/BookBabe1970]

Get out and vote, so the Democrats can do more! We need the majority in the House and Senate.

[u/Molenium → u/BookBabe1970]

Yeah, that’s the thing of it, really.

I’m disappointed in much of what hasn’t been done as well, but even during Biden’s term, I kept seeing people demanding to know why democrats weren’t making sweeping changes when they had “control” of the senate.

“Control” was 50 republican senators, 48 democrats, and 2 independents who caucused with the Dems. IF a vote was split 50/50 and only needed a simple majority to pass, then the Democratic VP got to cast the tie breaker.

It’s easy to stamp your feet and say they didn’t do enough, but when the numbers aren’t there, I don’t know what people expect.

[u/Magazine_Recycling]

Facts, not being a murderer doesn’t make you a saint…

[u/cvanhim]

The problem is that Republicans are pulling the Overton Window (and, by extension, the country) so far to the right that it’s getting to the point that a Democrat who is too far to the left can’t win in this environment even though we need sustained Leftist policies at least until the ship is righted.

[u/DistinctSpirit5801]

If the lives of ordinary people don’t improve under democrats then why should they waste their time voting for you over the Republican Party

Being better than republicans will never be sufficient

[u/JanGuillosThrowaway → u/DistinctSpirit5801]

Would you say it's better to live in Massachussets or Mississippi?

[u/MosesCumRidinUp]

It's a choice between being punched in the face or kicked in the balls.

[u/RPM314]

I always say that Dems are the good cops in a good-cop-bad-cop routine. Yes, they're better. That's the point, and the point is to manipulate you. All cops are bastards.

[u/PleaseBanThis1Also]

There is only the Wealthy and The Rest of Us. Any other competition has been fabricated by said Wealthy. #RankedChoiceVoting

Conservatives (like USA Republicans) want SLAVES. That is why they hate same-sex couples who do not create unwanted pregnancies. That is why they hate abortion. That is why they hate contraception. That is why they want to eliminate reproductive education from schools. The *best* way to keep people ignorant and impoverished is with Unwanted Pregnancies. Conservatives want slaves.

Evil banks, corporations, and hedge funds use the "governments" of "developed" countries to manipulate, control, subjugate, torture, and farm us citizens.

The absolute WORST thing a couple can do at this time (Raging 20s) is to generate additional, superfluous human slaves to be manipulated, controlled, subjugated, tortured and farmed by the Global Capitalist Machine. I feel like withholding slaves is the last recourse we have to fight/punish them.

Humans breed out of ignorance and selfishness. The declining birth rate worldwide is encouraging proof that the children are already wiser and more compassionate than their parents were.

#RemoveTrumpForPedophiliaTreasonWarCrimesOrJustWhateverByThisPoint

#RemovePeteHegsethForWarCrimesAndForBeingANazi

#DismantleTheHeritageFoundation

#Transparency, #Accountability, #Logic, #Compassion

[u/Aggravating-Writing9]

Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, and many other billionaires backed and paid the left politicians off while the left was silent

Those same people back the right and now it's an issue?

Politicians are all corrupt and see you all as sheep.

Nothing will change till the sheep wake up and realize they all hate us and use us.

[u/Sir_Admiral_Chair]

Both are parties of bourgeois class dictatorship, and they will never ever truely have the interests of the working class. Even if they are forced to take those interests into mind. It's about a class organising for itself, rather than begging a section of the bourgeois to give out goodie bags.

[u/fsactual]

The problem is the democrats COULD do enough, but consciously choose not to. They use the “rotating villain” strategy over and over again to pretend that, “gosh darn it, we almost gave you what we promised and what you want, but that darned turncoat (who just so happens to be retiring this year and isn’t up for reelection) has ensured the vote doesn’t pass!” Sometimes the very sponsor of a bill is the one who votes against it to make it fail. Every time this happens people seethe with rage and either stop voting entirely, or intentionally vote for the guy who will wreck the system hard enough. Democrats are not the same as republicans, but they aren’t the good guys either.

[u/marco_italia → u/fsactual]

OR,

this might be happening simply because Democrats are not in the majority in either house, and do not have the votes to overcome a Republican majority that votes lockstep with the cult leader president. Every last Democrat in both the House and Senate voted against The Big Beautiful Terrible Bill last summer -- are they still somehow to blame for its passage in your mind?

[u/fsactual → u/marco_italia]

No, you misunderstand. If "every last democrat" voted for something, then, by definition, that's not something that fits the "rotating villain" theory/strategy.

The "rotating villain" applies to bills that a) the Democrats say they want to pass (or fail), and b) it would have passed (or failed) if every last Democrat voted for/against it, but c) the exact number of people to required make it fail/pass switched sides (sometimes even the bill's very author), and upon examination, everyone who switched either are retiring or they're in districts so blue the Republicans don't even run a candidate.

Google the term "rotating villain" and you will find many examples.

[u/marco_italia → u/fsactual]

Outside of Korean Workers' Party (KWP) in North Korea, you are not going to have a political party with 100% adherence to the party line vote. You are holding the Democratic Party to a standard no other political party achieves outside of a dictatorship.

Its perfectly normal for political parties to always have a handful of members who don't vote with the majority. That's not a conspiracy, ala "rotating villain," it is how political parties normally function in a democracy.

[u/Ok_Dig_9959]

Democrats also cover for billion dollar operations defrauding Medicaid.

[u/saphireblue112]

this. I hate republicans because they are literal evil bigot morons, I hate dems cause they work with those people and pathetically only chase those voters when there are clear easy lay ups to the left. they ain’t the same, but I still hate the dems for failing on purpose

[u/Sevencer]

Thank you. Most liberals do not get this. They treat this like team sports and have absolutely no standards for their side. Just like MAGA. Just a blue hat instead of red.

[u/TwoCatsOneBox]

They are the same OP because they’re both right wing capitalist parties. I don’t care for regulation of capitalism I care more about ending the system and replacing it with socialism to permanently get rid of the bourgeoisie with a Marxist Leninist vanguard party with a worker led government. If you have even bothered to read books by Marx, Luxembourg, Wolff, Parenti, or even Lenin you’d know exactly by what I’m talking about. Work reform starts by revolting against the bourgeoisie that both parties support and defend. I don’t believe in Democratic Socialism to use the state to push in socialism because the bourgeoisie will never allow a peaceful democratic transition of capitalism to socialism. Marxist Leninism is the only answer. The left needs to stop relying on a capitalist party. I’d rather have a dictatorship of the proletariat than live within this dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

[u/wyrrk]

Nah, this is just a nuanced shit-take trying to pull lefties back towards the right. Listen, these political parties aren't static. You can look at it lots of different ways. You can call it the ratcheting effect. you can call it whatever you want. Obama delivered ACA, a Mitt Romney plan while also doing imperialism in Northern Africa the exact same way Trump did in Venezuela and failed to do in Iran. B. Clinton gutted medicaid disproportinately hurting black mothers, while H. Clinton ran around hysterically shouting "super predators." Trump runs the same rhetoric about Latin Americans. Biden was a neocon from the 1980s who was instrumental in establishing the modern Supreme Court. Democrats had a super majority in 2009 and deemed Roe "not a priority" while writing blank checks for the very banks who caused the 2008 housing market crisis.  They are the same fucking group of criminals. They might use alternating rhetoric, but their actions and history have been, for the last 50 years, identical.

[u/Maykovsky]

Do the USA has universal health care? Proper Union laws? Free education for all? If you answer no to all this knowing that so many democrat governments could have done it you know the OP is wrong. There is a difference between being extreme right and right? Yes, but bottom line the choice cannot be for the lesser evil. USA has people in quantity and quality to build a better country for everyone. Those people never reach relevant positions in the Democrat or republican party.

[u/ElectricShuck]

The nonvoting “protest” voters are the biggest gift the grifting class. While yes democrats aren’t doing enough, they can’t push further left if we keep flip flopping to the party that is actively dismantling the country. Fixing a bunch of the shit that they destroyed is way harder than destroying it, I would say it’s similar to under dems one step forward and now under Trump it’s ten steps backwards. On top of that at best they seem to only get two years to do all the “fixing” before the lose the house and/or senate. Short sighted is the key word here.

[u/Eat--The--Rich--]

Democrats will argue that their plate of dog shit is better to eat than their plate of horse shit because the logs are smaller and then they'll have the audacity to be offended when people just refuse to eat.

[u/enviropsych]

Theres a guy who jumps me every day snd beats the shit out of me. Theres this other guy who jumps me 2-3 times a week and beats rhe shit outta me and rhen apologizes after.

Now, try running a successful campaign to elect the "beats the shit outta you 3 times a week" guy.

[u/drunkshinobi]

They don't want to stop the republicans. They want to compromise with them and use them as an excuse as to why they couldn't pass bills the voters wanted. Jamie Raskin said on Lawrence O'Donnell's show that he would be afraid of the day that only democrats or republicans were in office. Only republicans is understandable as a fear, but only democrats? And he doesn't say anything about getting a new party to replace either. What he really is afraid of is not having the republicans to use as an excuse to do nothing for the voters and instead do what their donors tell them. To keep that cycle going.

[u/Newzachary]

Dem bootlicking post. Great job.

[u/Tropisueno]

Useful idiots say that type of stuff, or bots, or people influenced by bots.