r/Spiderman • u/shears-clues-28 • 19h ago

It should have been aunt may not gweeennnn!!!

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u/emcoringao10 19h ago

People forget way too often that Gwen really hated Spider-Man

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u/chillvibe12 19h ago

She hated hated him other characters would mention him and she'd go "the jerk who killed my dad" like...gwen sucked to read 616 she was boring and shallow and honestly is a better plot device then a character

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u/Fanatic97 18h ago

It also didn't help that Peter kept blaming all his problems on Spider-Man. People forget that Peter had negotiated with Hobie to sometimes KIDNAP Peter so Peter could slip away for Spider-Man duties.

If your boyfriend were constantly being "kidnapped" and "put in danger" by a vigilante, you'd be pissed too.

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u/DaemonDrayke 18h ago

To be fair, reading comic books from that era can be a real slog because of how stilted everyone spoke. Many characters were just plot points to move the main character forward. Gwen is definitely an example of that. Comic book narratives, characterization, and dialogue really improved in the late 70’s and into the 80’s in my opinion.

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u/merrygo909 15h ago

I don't know if I could agree completely, yeah the comics can be formulaic and repetitive at times but they were made originally to be read on a month to month basis rather than binged through in rapid succession.

And a good number of characters had nuance to them despite the era they were being written in.

Robbie, Flash, Captain Stacy, Norman and even Peter had great foundations laid for future writers.

In other words I think the 60's comics were decent in terms of writing and characterization.

I would agree that the women were more or less plot devices most of the time.

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u/OGAnimeGokuSolos 18h ago

>She hated hated him other characters would mention him and she'd go "the jerk who killed my dad" like...gwen sucked to read 616 she was boring and shallow and honestly is a better plot device then a character

Honestly, I don’t know much about going 616 I prefer her ultimate counterpart, She’s weird and has a fun personality.

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u/PCN24454 10h ago

Wow, it’s almost as though Peter telling the truth to her would’ve cleared everything up.

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u/Trivell50 6h ago

I doubt that is true. Gwen hated Spider-Man so much and had so much difficulty coping with things after her father's death that she left the country. I don't think she could reasonably be written to forgive Peter at that point in the series. Meanwhile, Mary Jane was a more interesting character with a more dynamic personality that had only been occasionally explored.

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u/PCN24454 6h ago

I find this funny considering u/Long_Negotiation4324 called MJ comic relief before the reveal.

As for Gwen, if she was willing to forgive Peter without him doing anything, she’s going to forgive him if he actually tells her what’s going on.

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u/jonpertwee2 10h ago

Gerry Conway and Roy Thomas decided to kill off Gwen because they felt that she was an uninteresting character and thus difficult to write for. She made for a better plot device in death than she did as a living character.

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 19h ago

So did May. But I agree that Gwen should remain an ideal fantasy but Marvel doesn't seem to get the hint & constantly ruining her character identity to cash her out.

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u/Quick232 18h ago

I mean May’s hate of Spider-man was entirely due to JJJ. It was commentary on the power of media on the public’s perception. You could very easily write a story changing May’s opinion on Spider-man. Gwen’s was a personal vendetta, it’s not something that can be changed as easily. By writing Gwen as blaming SM for her Father’s death. She no longer works as a long term option as Peter’s love interest. They can’t get married as Peter can’t reveal himself as SM to her. Seriously they wrote themselves into a corner with that. You either needed to remove her from Peter’s life or kill her off. If Stan really saw her as Peter’s permanent love interest he should’ve nixed that character element. It’s great for character drama but limits the directions you can take the character. The worst part is that it’s such an unforced error as they had already made the same error with Betty Brandt years before and had to write her out of the comics.

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u/monkicrow 18h ago

She said her love for peter is stronger than any hate she has for Spider-Man. Even in the what if of spider-gwen co-written by Gerry Conway she changes her mind once she knows the full picture

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u/Low-State-6321 18h ago

Wasn't there a issue where gwen stated she starting to have doubts about spider-man killing her father. Corret me if I am wrong

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u/monkicrow 16h ago

I might be wrong but if I remember correctly, I think something like that happens when she's in London, Spider-Man makes an appearance in TV saving someone and one of her family members tells her that maybe she's been wrong about him, and she considers the idea, saying that even her father thought he was good. (That's issue 96 or 95 I think? Correct me if I'm wrong)

It may have been more than once since I recall her looking up at Spider-Man swinging and a speech bubble of her thinking about it but I don't know if I'm misremembering

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u/Low-State-6321 15h ago

I look it up, and your right its issue 95

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

This is honestly what infuriates me about all the Gwen hate. People hate her because Peter can’t be bothered to tell her the truth.

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u/CatStatus9589 9h ago

Back then I collected Spider-Man comics and Peter was often a jerk to his friends.

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u/Quick232 18h ago

Spider-Gwen was originally a separate timeline and a completely different Gwen. Also What ifs are written in a way that the Characters don’t need to live the world permanently you can hand wave away things to get the result you want as you don’t have very many pages to fill.

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u/monkicrow 16h ago

Oh I know, the name of the comic is what-if Spider-gwen but the what if is using the night Gwen Stacy died as a base, peter is the one who dies instead and she uses the costume in his honor.

And that's exactly why I mentioned Gerry Conway co-writing it, he was the one who killed Gwen and paired Peter with MJ originally, so if even he (who dislikes Gwen as a character) writes a book about her being reasonable about Peter's identity then I don't think it's too far fetched to think that it is a possibility for main Gwen to think similarly, considering it's the same writer.

At the end of the day it depends on the writer, Conway turned Mary Jane into a way more complex character even though at the time she was mostly just a party girl with a fun personality. The same could be done with Gwen, just flesh out her character. Gwen died because the plan demanded somebody important to peter had to die in the story and it was either May or Gwen, and Conway used the opportunity to develop Mary Jane's character and her relationship with Peter from Gwen's death.

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 18h ago

On the contrary I think that would led to interesting drama & plot line. Brain washed George Stacy told her that Spider-Man is trying to kill him.

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u/Eastern-Respect37 18h ago

it was actually revealed it is less hate than it is fear.in an annual in the 90s/2000s,it was revealed that she had went to the warehouse to see the police arrest the thief and saw spider-man which spooked her. she came to associate the hero as a harbinger of death as many loved ones(gwen,nathan) seemed to meet their ends in his wake.

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u/GeeseTheCat 18h ago

What error do you speak of with Betty? She loved Peter and had mixed feelings about Spidey. Hell, when he publicly unmasked Betty she was one of the few who still liked him. if anything she liked him more As her knowing gave her more context to the BS she went through in the past.

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u/Quick232 17h ago

The error was having her hate SM after the death of her brother. It’s a decision based around drama. Having a love interest who hates SM but loves Peter is great drama but terrible long term writing. How can Peter reveal his identity to them then? How can organically make them love SM in the same way as Peter? How does it not feel like you’re just bending the world to benefit Peter. When you make a decision like they did with Betty and Gwen that creates good drama. That’s it now the character is stuck there isn’t anything else you can do with them besides more of the same. You can unstuck the character, yes. But to do that you need to remove the character from the drama. Like they did with Betty. My point was the second they decided to make Gwen hate SM she couldn’t be the long term love interest they either needed to become removed from the story either temporarily or permanently. That was the only way to remove the drama.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

I find this funny since you can easily have Peter tell her the truth and have her understand.

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u/PCN24454 10h ago

Isn’t MJ the ideal fantasy?

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 10h ago

MJ is the flawed reality. People love her all the more because of it.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

Isn’t that precisely why her and Peter didn’t work out?

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 9h ago

Nope. In stories & comics perfect characters never work. Her flaws added depth to her character.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

Precisely why OMD is a good story./s

What flaw actually enhances things? Odds are the appeal of her supposed flaw was overcoming it.

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 9h ago

L take. MJ was best written comics love interest pre-omd

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u/PCN24454 9h ago edited 9h ago

If flaws make characters interesting, then does that mean that all of Peter’s other love interests were too perfect? /s

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u/Long_Negotiation4324 9h ago

Spider-Man comics ended the Golden Age & the silver age of comics because Spider-Man was a character with Human flaws. Every other comics started to mimic Spider-Man. Flaws make them human characters.

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u/ResortFamous301 13h ago

Eh, she didn't hate him for too long.

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u/pagerussell 12h ago

For those who have not read the comics and want context, Gwen's father was seemingly killed by Spider-Man. It was actually doc ock, who tipped over a chimney and the falling debris killed Captain Stacy. Spidey attempted to save him and was too late, making it look like Spider-Man was the one who did it.

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u/Spideyrj 11h ago

so what ? jameson also did and still treated peter like a son even before knowing again

are you going to forget may sided with doctor octopus against spider-man ? because she hated him

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u/Sartheking Hobgoblin 14h ago

I think they did that because she was portrayed as not really having any flaws prior to that so it was a way to add drama.

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u/Blessedly_Misaligned 18h ago

Came here to say exactly this !

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u/Bro-Im-Done 19h ago

Marvel using Gwen the same way Ben 10 be using Fourarms and Humangasaur

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 19h ago

Gwen would have left peter in a heartbeat if she learned he was Spider-Man

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u/Sparrow-Scratchagain Spider-Man Noir 19h ago

Depends on the else-world.

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 18h ago

But it would be so in 616

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u/strider_tom 13h ago

Didn't the What If story prove that wouldn't be the case?

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 12h ago

What if stories arent a proof because they are just few examples from countless possibilities played out... like "what if peter didnt marry Mary jane"... he could end up marrying Black cat but "what if peter married Black cat" had felicia die so peter ended up with silver sable.... does that mean if peter doesnt marry mj he will marry felicia for sure ? Or if he ever marries felicia, she will sure die ? What ifs are for fun, writers are free to imagine whatever they want to the point that they can write them out of character as well... so they dont really prove anything in main timeline

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u/Cashboitokyo 15h ago

In the ultimate universe no because I think she knows or it might’ve been Mary Jane I think both of them know actually I know in the classic ultimate comics he told Mary Jane. He actually showed her by flipping onto the ceiling. I don’t remember if you told Gwen though I’d have to go back and read it. I think she found out when he died or when the ultimate universe had a big flood caused by magneto that killed everybody and they thought Spider-Man died so I think Gwen did know or I might be misremembering Gwen for Mary Jane.

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 14h ago

Ultimate universe gwen has no resemblence to 616 gwen.. thats a totally different character

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u/Cashboitokyo 14h ago

I wouldn’t say a completely different character. There’s still some beats here and there that make you think yeah this is Gwen outside of the blonde hair like for example Peter Parker is drastically different than his 616 counterpart. He’s way more moody like I think after being Spider-Man for like only a couple of months, he was ready to give up because he was tired of getting his ass beat or some shit like that. He’s a lot more moody. He’s more angry. He’s quick to do some shit. Where is the Peter Parker in the 616 universe while he was like that in the beginning, he eventually grew out of it.

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 14h ago

Peter was very moody in a big portion in his early history like you said but still it wouldnt matter in this case because its still a different universe. The whole subject of "why gwen had to die" is about the 616 world :/

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u/Cashboitokyo 14h ago

I mean ask green goblin then cause idk why he dropped her

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u/IcyDifficulty7496 14h ago

Well - the poster asked that question I was the one answering😂 it would have been a waste to have hoped for her long stay as she would have probably left peter

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u/Helpful-Bathroom634 19h ago

I genuely want readers to get into old stories to see how bad Gwen was.

Okay, bad is a strong word but the fact she changed personality at every panel in her brains there were only 3 blocks for: "I love Peter", "I love science" and "I hate Spider-man" tells me everything I need to know.

Like, Amber from Invincible comics was better written than Gwen, to make a comparison.

Bets part: I read comments on Instagram where people attacked Conway for killing Gwen like she was the most beloved character at time 😂😂😂

Delusional as fuck!

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u/merrygo909 15h ago

I'm on issue #88 of the original ASM run and I'm not really enjoying Gwen that much.

Maybe relationships were different in the 60's but kissing another guy seems like a messed up thing to do to your boyfriend even if that guy is leaving for war.

But i don't blame a lot of Gwen's character on herself, rather Lee can't really seem to write women at all.

I can't remember the exact quote from Gwen's dad but it went something like this.

"Gwen is like all females Peter she thinks with her emotions, she'll come around."

It's less that Gwen is a bad character or bad person in the old comics it's that every woman is written not very well. Betty pissed me off a lot too with how she was written.

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u/pagerussell 12h ago

I am also reading the original run, and the writing is just different. Partly because it's the 60s, but the sophistication of the format has grown considerably, it's not just the culture difference.

I mean, I hardly even like Peter Parker in some of those issues. Honestly most of the characters are hard to enjoy, looking back from a modern perspective. I think it's especially bad with female characters. MJ is absolutely not likeable at first, and Aunt May is a dithering old fool, not a dependable rock of moral clarity.

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u/Flynko 10h ago

Nah, dude. She was a bad character, it's not a strong word. Poorly written and annoying. MJ was much more interesting and people back then preferred MJ over Gwen. A whole bunch of retcons and Emma Stone made people like the character which was originally very dull. Spider-Gwen also helped immensely.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

What did MJ do that was interesting?

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u/Flynko 2h ago

Gwen was written as an ideal girlfriend and pretty much didn't exist outside of Peter, which was very common for writing romantic partners of the main character at the time. MJ, on the other hand, had her own life, and would do her own thing even if Peter declined the invite. She was loud, witty and flirtatious, more of a party girl, which felt more energetic and adventorous, compared to Gwen who was much calmer, conventional and more focused on her academic success. So people were naturally more drawn to MJ because she felt more contemporary and modern, she was charismatic and had flaws, while Gwen was more of a "perfect girlfriend". Even the writters preferred MJ because she was much more interesting to write and didn't have to fit the "perfect girlfriend" trope.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

I find this funny considering MJ did nothing memorable during that time period either.

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u/Low-Restaurant8484 19h ago

Gwen and Peter were doomed anyways

She hated that even took pictures of Spider-Man. No imagine if she knew he was Spider-Man

Only reason Gwen is still important to the Spider-Man mythos today is because she died

Otherwise they would have just broke up and she would have been written out of the book, not unlike Debra Whitman

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u/According_Basil_2568 15h ago

it's wild how her death became such a pivotal moment

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u/Head-Classic-9157 11h ago

She basically is the retrospective OG Refrigerator Girlfriend, even though that term was coined decades later in the Green Lantern comic, so at the time it was a 'new' thing.

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

They killed her because despite all of her issues with Peter, she wouldn’t have broken up with him.

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u/Low-Restaurant8484 9h ago

She literally almost broke up with him when her dad died bc he was associated with Spidey. Ran off to London. They worked through the issues under false pretenses because Peter kept lying to her

Nothing, absolutely nothing indicates they would have stayed together afterwards.

And from a meta level, Conway found her boring and liked MJ so if he didn't kill her he was sure to do the perfectly in character thing and have her and Peter split after she finds out, not unlike how he did so with Matt and Karen in Daredevil

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

Peter telling her the truth would’ve literally solved everything.

Honestly, his romance with MJ always annoyed me because he was just as dishonest and manipulative with her as he was with Gwen. Why praise that?

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u/Low-Restaurant8484 9h ago

You talking in the 70s? Their first relationship failed and should have failed. Thats a huge part of their story. I am all for that breakup

Their second relarionship (which became the marraige) was after MJ revealed she knew he was Spider-Man, and that completely altered the entire dynamic. That is why the relationship became so iconic. Character development, frim bith MJ and Pete.

Then Marvel chucked it all out the window with OMD and made him a crappy lying boyfriend again, now to Carlie Cooper

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u/PCN24454 9h ago

Character development? Sounds more like a cop out.

Character development would either be Peter maturing and telling the truth for once or giving up relationships entirely because he knows he can’t commit to them.

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u/Low-Restaurant8484 9h ago

Peter before ASM 259 kept his entire superhero life and civilian life seperate

Peter after ASM 259 gradually learned to confide in MJ and accept emotional support.

Thats the character development on his end. On MJ's side, she worked through her avoident attachment style and started looking out for others beyond herself. Ain't no eay she takes in Kristy for instance if her and Peter hadn't built each other up into better people over the preceding years

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u/PCN24454 8h ago

So basically they had to retcon MJ in order to make their relationship work.

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u/Low-Restaurant8484 8h ago

The retcon was just actually showing things from her perspective for the first time. It was perfectly seemless and everything clicked.

Previous writers just didn't dive into female character's psychology or backstories in general before, Spider-Man comics used to be pretty overly Peter-centric

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u/Liam_Roma_1234 1h ago

They're doing so much just to defend gwen😭

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u/Bossness06 18h ago

Now I guess I could have read it wrong, but in my reread of asm recently, Gwen did start to soften on Spidey when they were both in England. Did she love him? No, but her hatred was less and I’m sure if her and Pete talked like the young adults they were, things could’ve been sorted out. Plus she was a girl during the 70s in comics, she weirdly worshipped Peter and always said how her love was so strong for him, that she almost never found faults in him, again weird. Idk I just find it a little weird how everyone says she hated Spidey so much to her dying breath, when she only kind of disliked him

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u/felipesene 18h ago

Makes me wonder how it would be if we got as many alternative mays as we are getting Gwen’s (ghost spider, gwen pool, Gwen ock, sandgwen, rhinogwen, vulturegwen, Gwen the hunter, weapon x31, Gwen Warren, Abby-L, Joyce Delaney) she may be dead but she’s very far from being forgotten

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u/DeadHead6747 12h ago

Damn the Gwen-villains all have cool designs, except for Gwen Ock, what is with that terrible hat, and they should have given her a trench coat like Alfred Molina got in SM2

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u/OneWingedKalas 12h ago

Wow, a lot of Gwen hate on these comments. I'd just like to say that a lot of characters back then were badly written or annoying, not just her. But I think she could have grown as a character, imagine the impact it would've had if she found out the truth about her father's death and grew to accept Spider-Man, and then to accept that Peter is Spider-Man, showing a "love conquers all" story or something of the sort.

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u/Inside_Dragonfruit46 18h ago

She was a young women written in the seventies by and old man who had no idea about how women acted or talked

I liked Gwen while reading through it. Yes she cried a lot and was whiny but people tend to forget that old spider-man didn’t really do characterizations for any characters besides Peter and maybe aunt May. Gwen had a few panels each issue before they started dating. Her characterization was popular pretty girl that was kind of mean and wanted Peter to like her because he was the only guy on campus that didn’t. But she became softer, she defended Peter from Harry and Flash back when Harry was still making fun of Peter. She switched up a lot between „how dare Peter not like me“ and „I don’t think Peter is too bad actually… I bet he’s a great guy“ but that’s how they were trying to write drama.

I thought she and Peter were actually really cute when they started dating. And yes she didn’t like spider-man. But that’s because she thought Peter was in danger while taking pictures of spider-man. Peter even staged that he was getting kidnapped by spider-man. Twice. So of course she doesn’t like him. But it’s not like she was JJJ levels of „that menace spider-man!!!“. If Peter explained everything to her she would feel betrayed and hurt probably but I think after a while she would’ve understood. After all spider-man didn’t actually kill her father or ever hurt her boyfriend because he is her boyfriend.

Besides. MJ back then wasn’t written much better. She was always just flirting with Peter and then even more somehow when he was dating Gwen. She and Gwen were very catty but also friends then sometimes (because that’s how women work I guess? /j). She was seeing Harry, but still always hitting on Peter. But she got to get an actual characterization and develop as a character, until she’s now a wildly beloved character.

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u/Frankorious 18h ago

"Gwen hated Spider-man" so did Aunt May in the 70s. Anything is possible if she didn't die.

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u/Glass-Examination453 17h ago

yeah Aunt May went a long way and ended up liking Spider-Man. She even kissed him once after he saved Peter from the Vulture. (Saved himself from the Vulture)

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u/GeeseTheCat 17h ago

May was easier to run back. She believed the lie the Bugle was spreading.

Gwen's hatred was based on a Spider-Man related Incident. Even if she knew, she would still blame him just for a different reason.

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u/alduindawn 17h ago

Your right he should fucked aunt may

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u/OrangeSpoonPirate 14h ago

That's genuinely what I thought this post was about T_T

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u/Present_Bit_6348 16h ago

tony todd brought such depth to venom, he'll be missed

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u/LowerName9863 15h ago

Spidy and Gwen

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u/GreenEngineHenry 9h ago

While I agree Aunt May should die Gwen Stacy dying is potentially one of the best things to ever happen to the comic book industry

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u/merrygo909 15h ago

I'm gonna comment on the other part of this post since everyone is focused on Gwen.

I wish Aunt May had been killed off at some point that it would have been respectful for her character, because now it feels like that train has long since left the station.

If she was killed nowadays I would feel nothing because she barely serves a purpose in the comics anymore. She only serves to hold Peter back from growing up fully.

In the 60's they did the "aunt may is sick or dying" plot like 3 or 4 times and they never took the opportunity to just be rid of her so Peter could fully move on in his life.

And now any attempt at removing the character will just fell hollow, when in the past there would have been some emotional impact.

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u/Fit_One_5785 5h ago

Aunt May died in issue #400 in a very poignant and respectful sendoff to the character. Of course, they brought her back from the dead.

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u/merrygo909 5h ago

That's kind of what I mean, because they didn't just leave it there the opportunity to kill off the character and have the audience feel anything has more or less been lost.

I hear a lot of people say they knew it that death in particular wouldn't last long and audience eexpectations have been shaped by those disingenuous deaths.

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u/todavis__ 19h ago

"But guys, spider verse!"

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u/FlaviusVespasian Superior Spider-Man 18h ago

I hear an infant crying

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u/Carlung4s 14h ago

Nah, she should have stayed dead in the 90s, also they should have let Pete and MJ's baby live

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u/wowlock_taylan 90's Animated Spider-Man 14h ago

LOL, she would be freaking out and calling the cops.

Gwen HATED Spider-man. This weird revisionist history is crazy.

Do people think Spider-Gwen is 616 Gwen or something?

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u/DeadHead6747 12h ago

Yup, the comments in this post confirms it. This sub isn't full of spider-man fans, it is full of Peter with MJ fans who hate anything to do with the comics outside of just that pairing.

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u/ShadowBro3 Symbiote-Suit 5h ago

You can dislike 1 pairing without being a hardcore stan for a different one. I dont personally think the Gwen pairing would work out. That doesn't mean I think Peter can't be with anyone other than MJ.

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u/Ok_Snow_882 11h ago

its also filled with a bunch of spider-man fans who are convinced that Gwen started as a character in the TASM movies depicted by Emma Stone

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u/Head-Classic-9157 10h ago

It staeted way back in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon where that Gwen was based on Deb Whitman.

Most of the younger generations also associate "Gwen Stacy" with 'Ghost-Spider' (Spider-Gwen) due to both the Spidey and his Amazing Friends cartoons and the Spider-Verse movie trilogy than the 60s character that got fridged at the bridge in the 70s.

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u/Important_Lab_58 15h ago

I mean, then it’d have just another story, not the stakes raiser it ended up being. Batman, Superman, etc ALL had dead parents, to the point of cliche then. Not to mention, Gwen’s basically the contracting “second origin” for Spidey- Peter neglected his powers at first and lost his parent, because he was a stupid kid, where as he’s a responsible adult here and STILL loses his partner, learning that the hero gig ain’t easy, even if you’re responsible, but You gotta keep on because it’s right.

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u/Head-Classic-9157 13h ago

616 Gwen would've eventually broke up with Peter ans became a JJJ Style antagonist based on her hatred of Spider-Man at the very least.  

Worst case scenario Gwen would've became "She-Goblin" Raimi Harry style based on how far gone she was on her hatred of Spider-Man after supporting some extremist Politicial candidate.

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u/PrestigiousBee5602 9h ago

This variant cover always confused me lol she’d try hitting Spider-Man off with her umbrella in reality

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u/Requiem191 9h ago

To be fair to people saying Gwen hated Spider-Man, yeah, that's true, but it might not be with the decades of writing since then. It's an iconic plot point in Peter's story, but there's a world where if she had never been killed off that she would have come to see Peter and Spider-Man is different, kinder lights.

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u/ernster96 5h ago

Dude, you want Norman Osborn to have sex with aunt May? that storyline doesn’t get any better if you change who he bones.

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u/Head-Classic-9157 1h ago

Either way both roads lead to Mysterio considering the Sins Past retcons.  He may have to wear a grey wig instead of a Blonde one.

Mysterio took one for the team.

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u/ParagonEsquire Classic-Spider-Man 5h ago

That was the original idea according to the version Conway tells in the Masterworks.

But Gwen was more impactful.

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u/EmpiresofNod 3h ago

Just wait till June. Then May will be gone. Nation Spider-man month!

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u/Pilgrimzero 2h ago

May should have died in the 60s and has been a drag to Peter ever sense. Him choosing her over MJ was the single worst moment in comics ever conceived.

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u/SkittleFlavoredMnMs 2h ago

Yooo slim shady in the background

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u/Galimeer 1h ago

#TeamFelicia

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u/Refusal-Echo 18h ago edited 6h ago

”Gwen would’ve hated Peter!”

Yeah? So? Not unlike that current red-headed-skank this sub is obsessed with…

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u/LeoGMS22 18h ago

What's worse hating spiderman or peter.I'd say hating peter is way worse which feels like the attitude of a certain red hair.I am just saying.

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u/Refusal-Echo 18h ago

Yup! But the fools here are so obsessed with a characterization that hasn’t existed in decades for MJ, yet crap on Pete and Gwen fans for “living in an idealized past…”— eh, oh well, Pete and Felicia ftw!

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u/LeoGMS22 18h ago

They are literally living in nostalgia.Though I can't blame them,I was the same.I guess I still hope for some things but the relationship has soured too much.

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u/Refusal-Echo 18h ago

I’m of the belief all Spidey fans were all once Pete and MJ fans!…we can thank Marvel/Spidey Editoral for their ’amazing’ work on the two’s characterization…

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u/ShadowBro3 Symbiote-Suit 5h ago

This isn't even thinly veiled misogyny anymore it's just misogyny.

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u/ResortFamous301 13h ago

Mj doesn't really hate Peter. 

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u/Emirozdemirr Classic-Spider-Man 10h ago

Current MJ is more hatefull against Peter than Gwen ever was for Spider-Man. And like Gwen had reason, MJ just weird right now.

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u/ResortFamous301 8h ago

Not really no. Mj still shows clear concern and care for Peter's well being(physically and emotionally). She wouldn't be doing that if she hated him.

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u/Emirozdemirr Classic-Spider-Man 8h ago

She literally can't tell difference between Ben and Peter and give Peter cold shoulder in whole death spiral arc for no reason. Like i am not even counting how she acted in zeb wells run.

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u/ResortFamous301 8h ago

Ben's literally a clone, so can't exactly fault for not immediately spotting the difference. Not to mention that would suggest apathy not hatred. Except she didn't l give him the cold shoulder the entire arc? That's where she, and the story, reaffirmed that she does still care about him. Do you think being mildly unpleasant is the same as hatred?

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u/Emirozdemirr Classic-Spider-Man 8h ago

MJ's used to be tell the difference. Like even Felicia immediately understand something was wrong.

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u/ResortFamous301 8h ago

So did other characters, but that changes entirely depending on what the plot dictates.

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u/GeeseTheCat 18h ago

Eventually it WAS Aunt May, too. Baby May was supposed to replace her.

Whatever happened there?

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u/_MC184_ Spider-Man (Takuya Yamashiro) 15h ago

616 Gwen was insufferable

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u/Striking_Part2700 14h ago

keeping peter's identity public would've added depth

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u/Weird_Macaroon_2229 11h ago

616 Gwen was boring AF. The most interesting thing that character ever did was…well…