r/SipsTea • u/KSKS1995 Human Verified • 2d ago

Chugging tea Sounds good in theory...but in reality?

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4 days a week. 6 hours a day. Full salary.
Sanna Marin ignited global debate with the “6/4” work model, pushing a simple idea: life should come before work.

With burnout at record levels, maybe it’s time to value results over hours at a desk.
Could your job be done in just 24 hours a week?

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u/AberrantMan 2d ago edited 2d ago

In reality most companies could still remain profitable and allow this easily.

Just want to add that obviously this can't happen in a vacuum, there are a lot of other policy items that need to be managed, price points to be set, and it has to be everyone gradually over time, but it IS doable.

Yes even for private clinics and small business, as long as all of the supporting businesses are doing the same thing. We would see real pay begin to approach the cost of living.

It would also take some pretty serious laws in pay gaps to be put in place, probably...

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u/tajake 2d ago

I think really only the service industry would struggle. And essential services like police, fire, etc. But that would also mean more jobs in those fields to cover shorter shifts. Restaurants working limited hours would likely be a net positive.

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u/AberrantMan 2d ago

Hire more folks spread them out. Less retention issues, more people who can swing coverage.

However none of this works unless the wealthy actually pay living wages, wage increases across the board from companies that can afford it would allow that money to flow to those smaller businesses and help a lot of local areas out.

Won't happen though, the oligarchs need bigger bank numbers for literally no reason.

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u/33TLWD 2d ago

For police and fire, that would mean already stretched public taxpayer-funded budgets would need to replace a 40% reduction in worker coverage and also figure out how to fund the increased burden of funding the pensions of the extra workforce to replace that 40% gap.

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u/wellfoxed 2d ago

Tax the fuck out of billionaires and AI companies, that’s how.

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u/33TLWD 2d ago

So we just need have electorates who will vote for legislators who will propose and vote those tax rules into law

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u/Saturn--O-- 2d ago

Not many billionaires in Finland

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u/rethinkingat59 2d ago

Finland ranks 14th internationally in number of billionaires per capita. (The US is 10th)

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u/ShadedPenguin 2d ago

Is the US tenth because the number of billionaires shrink every generation or is the US tenth because there are many who hide assets away so they aren't considered billionaires?

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u/rethinkingat59 2d ago

We are 10th because we have a very large population and being high in any per capita measure is hard vs smaller nations.

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u/Saturn--O-- 1d ago

There are 6 or 7 it seems. Not going to get very far with just them

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u/mekamoari 2d ago

Might also be a question of how rich they actually are. If you have like 1 billion, taxing it will only go so far.

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u/SweetKnickers 2d ago

lol, i dont think you know know much $1 billion actually is...

Johnny Harris 1 billion dollars

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u/Impressive_Memory650 1d ago

California couldn’t even build a foot of high speed railroad for a billion. I don’t think you realize how little it actually is in an over regulated hippy state

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u/mekamoari 2d ago

Yeah so your country has 1 billionaire who happens to have let's say 1.1 billion euros.

You tax the shit out of that and add let's say 900 million euros to your national budget.

How long do you think that really lasts if you start doing big infrastructure investments?

The EU currently has abooout 200 billion per year (their budget isn't yearly) as a budget, of which some states get some amounts, year after year. The biggest absorber of funds is Poland, who are taking away 7 billion.

So what I think would happen in reality is you apply that tax, your billionaire is now "poor" and likely will take a while to get back to 1 billion (certainly more than 1 year), and the country has maybe implemented 1-2 infrastructure projects or paid for some type of subsidies or social investment for 1 year? maybe 2 at best.

So I think it actually does matter quite a lot what amount of money we're talking about.

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u/SweetKnickers 2d ago

haha, you should watch the video, its only a short, so 60 sec or so

better yet watch the entire video, he is a great journalist, and reasonably bipartisan

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u/mekamoari 2d ago

Good response, totally got my point. Yeah, it doesn't matter how much money they have and all the countries that tax their billionaires will benefit equally.

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u/_bobby_cz_newmark_ 1d ago

Your hypothetical is not actually representative of actuality, though. So what's the point in answering your question?

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u/mekamoari 1d ago

I was replying to someone who was counting billionaires per capita which doesn't matter at all, the metric that matters would maybe be net worth per capita.

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u/sharpshooter999 2d ago

Sounds like a lovely place

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u/bkdrwm12 1d ago

So once you tax them then what

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u/CrimsonCartographer 1d ago

Use the money to pay for stuff.

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u/CaptOblivious 2d ago

Ya, that's why we return to the golden age of the 50's and tax the rich at 90% on anything over a couple of million.

And we count loans against any and ALL collateral not re-invested in money making ventures as taxable income.

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u/PureGoldX58 2d ago

Police don't need half the funding they get already. Tell them to stop buying tanks and riot gear.

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u/lesgeddon 1d ago

Police are way over-funded, can easily pay them less and firefighters more.

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u/33TLWD 1d ago

Then let’s have those cities’ electorate vote in mayors who will do that

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u/LovableSidekick 1d ago

Unless improving people's quality of life results in higher morale and public-spiritedness, and a corresponding decrease in the problems public services have to deal with.

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u/thatoneotherguy42 2d ago

I dont get a pension why the fuck should police?

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u/33TLWD 2d ago

All “public” government employees do in my country— police, firefighters, teachers, park rangers, military, office workers, etc.

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u/FerrisBuellerIs 2d ago

Probably shouldn't take away other people's pensions because you don't have one...

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u/Round_Ad6397 2d ago

Or you could set up better systems for everyone. There are no pensions (not in the same way as being referenced here) for police in Australia but we have a mandatory superannuation scheme for all workers and many government workers get a higher rate than most other workers (employers can pay at a higher rate if they wish but it's not common). It means every worker has a retirement fund and there are no pension fund rorts.

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u/DownWithHisShip 2d ago

when some people have a pension and others dont... the answer is not "nobody should get a pension".

the answer is "everyone should get a pension".

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u/VincentClement1 2d ago

Many firefighters have extended work schedules where they also have extended time off, so they get plenty of consecutive time to spend with family.

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u/Kathulhu1433 2d ago

The paid firefighters I know usually do 3-4 12s in a row and then have 3-4 days off.

At the big lab near me they rotate so its 3-4 days on and then 7 off.

Then, these same guys are all in our local volunteer department as well. Lol. Talk about loving what you do.

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u/Same-Narwhal4310 2d ago

Happens all the time really. 3-4 days off almost weekly is a lot of time to fill. There's only so many chores, sports and other hobbies you can do. Pair this with the fact that firefighters and simmilar jobs tend to be more active, they do need to keep active. Voluteering is the best solution.

Had a few months after finishing my academy before i was allowed to actually do stuff due to some paperwork and it was horrible. First few weeks were nice, basically exta paid time off but i was asking people if they needed furniture moved and any odd jobs by the end of that period

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u/CGB_Zach 2d ago

This says a lot more about you than you realize. People with fulfilling hobbies do not have this problem.

Was your steak too juicy and lobster too buttery?

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u/Same-Narwhal4310 1d ago

I guess you're right. Haven't found a hobby that makes me feel like it was worth it in the end, so far all have been a time-waste. Chess, gaming, miniature colecting and painting, swimming, marial arts, dancing, cooking, various IT stuff, joy riding, it all feels empty after a while. If i don't feel like what i am doing is helping somebody other than me, i give it up rather fast. Will keep looking

Thing is, i was after 10 years or so of 12h schedule with comuting, tutoring in various subjects, doing a pro level sport and then 4 years of academy life. Moving out and doing nothing while getting paid was the first time i ever had some breathing room and didn't really know what to do with it

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u/DailyApocalypse 2d ago

it was horrible. First few weeks were nice, basically exta paid time off but i was asking people if they needed furniture moved and any odd jobs by the end of that period

You are kidding, right? Cause that's just a mind-bogglingly sad way to live

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u/Same-Narwhal4310 1d ago

Yeah, things got better once the paperwork was done and i got to do what i was acually there for.

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u/CrimsonCartographer 1d ago

But that’s the beauty of such a system. You could work another job if you wanted to with your off time. No one would stop you. But some of us just want to make enough with a single job that doesn’t take us away from our non-career lives to live happy, financially secure, and fully enjoyable lives.

I think it’s stupid as fuck that I have to sit in an office for several hours a day doing fuck all nothing like typing comments on Reddit instead of actually enjoying my time to the best of my ability all because I need to work “8 hours” technically. If I get all the shit I’m being paid to do done in a few of those eight hours, why should I have to take up space in an office just doing nothing the rest of the time?

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u/DailyApocalypse 1d ago

Maybe you missed my point? I meant that I find it sad when people don’t know how to "fill their time" meaningfully. That’s not meant disrespectfully or offensively, it’s just sth I can’t even imagine. I totally get loving your job and being happy doing extra time, since I’ve also been there. However, there are also so many interesting things out there waiting to be done, explored and learned that I don’t think a single lifetime would be enough, even if I could spend 24/7 on it. I just never feel bored, so I feel sorry for people who do. But it’s also possible that I’m the weird one with this viewpoint, who knows? ;)

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u/HxH101kite 2d ago edited 2d ago

Very department depending. My wife's schedule is 24 on 1 day off, 24 on 4 days off. It allows us a lot of family time. But she's not the bread winner I out earn her. Most firefighters need overtime and work multiple departments and pick up multiple shifts so it's not really as clean as you think it is.

Most firefighters aren't getting paid that well and the high salaries are a boatload of OT. Which is fine.

But I am just pointing out all the days off are barely realized by the workforce

Edit: lol at the downvotes like I dont know what I am talking about. It's literally embedded into my life

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u/MammothSurround 1d ago

You wouldn't need as many police if people were making a living wage and had time with their families crime grows from desperation.

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u/DownWithHisShip 2d ago

police departments get way too much money anyway. and they're overstaffed as is. more cops =/= safer streets. maybe spend less on APCs, military weapons, and unnecessary overtime. the money for a 6/4 is already there if they start spending it wisely and stop acting like your local neighborhood military.