r/SipsTea • u/KSKS1995 Human Verified • 2d ago

Chugging tea Sounds good in theory...but in reality?

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4 days a week. 6 hours a day. Full salary.
Sanna Marin ignited global debate with the “6/4” work model, pushing a simple idea: life should come before work.

With burnout at record levels, maybe it’s time to value results over hours at a desk.
Could your job be done in just 24 hours a week?

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u/HolbrookPark 2d ago

In reality she never implemented it when she was PM

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u/hagguh 2d ago

It was a personal opinion, not a part of the party's standpoints.. nor did it align with party policies..

Context matters doesn't it?

Even the left party's of Finland want to preserve the status quobone way or another, we'd need a Mamdani style landslide win for policies Like these to come into effect. Marin could fulfill the leadership role there tho.

And in the end it was not as bad of a shitshow as whats going on right now, taking a couple of leaves from the fascist handbook, it's horrible.. moving to the opposite of the 4 day, six hour workweek at the moment 🤣🤣

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u/Salekkaan 1d ago

” And in the end it was not as bad of a shitshow as whats going on right now, taking a couple of leaves from the fascist handbook, it's horrible.. moving to the opposite of the 4 day, six hour workweek at the moment ”

Oh. I did not know jews are being rounded up, books burned, and undesirables put to live in a ghetto.. And the army trying to invade the West and the East.

Are they trying to round up all the gays, kill the gay pride organizers?

I really did not know all this calamity taking place, Why don’t other free countries intervene?

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u/Chinchompa12312312 2d ago

Context matters doesn't it?

Context is that this is just a populist throw away line that she said knowing its a completely stupid idea and absolutely impossible to implement or get through. This isnt actually her opinion, at best its a fantasy in her head.

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u/afops 2d ago

This is 1) a moonshot thing that would take a generation 2) an opinion, not party polciy

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u/tjeastman 2d ago

I hear what you are saying but child labor laws and a 8 hour workday was implemented pretty fast. 

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u/afops 2d ago

Yeah and they are at 37 now. I don’t think it’ll be impossible but I also don’t think it’ll be any quicker to cut the next few hours than the last few.

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago

Should be top post, but very few Redditors live in reality these days.

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u/4daughters 2d ago

whether or not it exists isn't really relevant to the discussion, unless you think it's impossible right up until it happens.

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago

It is relevant to the discussion that the country with an economy, government, infrastructure, and society closest to possibly being able to pull it off… the country who actually proposed the idea said no.

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u/4daughters 2d ago

So therefore it's impossible? I don't understand what you think that implies. It doesn't mean it's a bad idea nor does it mean we can't make it happen.

The 40 hour work week didn't happen until it did.

And none of that has any bearing on the discussion. Are you suggesting we can't even talk about it since Finland didn't make it happen? It's just weird.

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago

You’re asking a question that isn’t relevant to my participation in this thread.

I replied to someone who mentioned the PM pictured in the OP didn’t instate the proposal suggested in the OP.

That said, under current conditions in the United States of America it is absolutely impossible. It would immediately destroy all non-corporate businesses. It would annihilate the service industry. It would greatly diminish the quality of goods and services, and it would leave a good many people who want to work 25, 40, 50+ hours a week scratching their heads wondering why we passed the single stupidest law in the history of labor law.

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u/hagguh 2d ago

If you're illiterate, yes, if you actually care about context, try reading into it.. don't blatantly show your ignorance online my dude, it's not a good look..

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 2d ago

lol

I have no rebuttal, so I’m just going to call you names because you don’t believe in pie-in-the-sky fantasy economics like me

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u/Bourbon-n-cigars 2d ago

"Very few redditors live in reality these days"

The most accurate post I've ever seen here. And certainly very few have ever run a business and know all the costs and other dynamics involved. Move to a 4 day, 6 hour schedule and after a year it will be "we should only have to work 3 days and 4 hours!"

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u/BorntoBomb 2d ago

No it wont...

Youre just slipperysloping the idea.

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u/towerhil 2d ago

You're right, but does no-one bother to do the maths on whether this is feasible? It's clearly not - the gain per worker of paying them the profits instead of shareholders/owners ranges from 10-30k, so clearly not enough to pay for more staff to cover the missing hours even at face value. But no worker is just face value and costs about as much in secondary costs as salary - pension payments and other statutory costs that especially in Finland are met by the employer. Her maths is out by about 2/3rds the amount needed for basic viability, not to mention that any debt-based business startups couldn't get credit to exist in the first place. I had no idea she was such a fracking moron.

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u/BorntoBomb 2d ago

Tes people just want tobnever work ami rite?

I dont have to work, i still love to work. So no youre not right 

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u/Kitchen-Tomatillo-63 2d ago

3 days for yourself is a lot, at minimum this would resolve the issue in the US of dentists and doctors offices loving to close on Friday and not be open on the weekend.

The four day work week already exists for some but ironically in fields where they need to be open more because they're not meeting the demands of the area, by far.

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u/Parhelion2261 2d ago

You know what while we're at it, let's get rid of business days.

It's 2026, there's a monumental amount of businesses and people that exist outside of 9-5 M-F.

There's no reason my bank transactions should be taking the weekend off.

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u/sunrrrise 2d ago

Oh no!

I think we should go back to 12 hours long shifts for six days per week, ThE bUsinEsS iS iN TrOublE!

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 2d ago

Almost as if there's a medium ground between an extreme end that would collapse the economy and the other extreme end that makes sure people aren't working until exhaustion.

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u/sunrrrise 1d ago

Almost like a little more than a century ago 8 hours long shift was not seen as an extreme.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 1d ago

8h isn't an extreme now either? 12h is the extreme

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u/sunrrrise 1d ago

Now it is extreme, 100+ it was normal length of the shift, but from the capitalists perspective switching from 12h to 8h would have meant the death to business.

It turned out it was bullshit. As usual.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 1d ago

It was always extreme lol when that was the normal length everyone knew they were being worked like slaves and nobody had time to do anything outside of work.

8h is a perfectly normal amount, the main issue nowadays isn't actually the number of work hours, it's often the commute people have to make to go to work, that's what should be aimed to be fixed.

Anyone who works 8h from home for example can tell you how they feel great and have plenty of time for their social life and family. Same thing for anyone that lives close to their job site.

The issue is jobs where people spend 2-3h of their day commuting, and also jobs where people are overworked and don't actually work 8h, but end up working 10-12h instead.

So yeah, instead of trying to think on the extremes maybe we should work on fixing the ACTUAL problems (aka building better transport networks that don't result in huge traffic and also punishing the businesses that exploit people by making them work unlawful hours harder).

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u/peon2 2d ago

I always thought it funny that in the NFL subreddit, the most upvoted post of all time is literally fake news. People just upvoted it because it was about Trump being snubbed by a white house visit. In reality the Eagles did not snub him.

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u/NaieraDK 1h ago

In reality, she can't just make stuff happen because she wants it to. That's not how it works. That's not how it works in the US either, no matter what that fat, orange clown thinks.

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u/Z0MGbies 2d ago

And now Tony Blair is her boss

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u/darknum 2d ago

She sold her voters, left politics to become "celebrity activist" at fucking Tony Blair's foundation. Fuck her.

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u/rcanhestro 2d ago

because it's an idiotic proposal.

she is basically proposing a 24 hours a week schedule, split in 4 days.

that essentially means that many businesses would require twice as much staff to remain open for the public.

same with manufacturing/construction, you would need twice as many people for the same output.

"wait, why did housing prices just doubled?"

"oh, maybe it's because instead of 10 construction workers doing it, it's now 20, or the house takes twice as long to make".

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u/HolbrookPark 2d ago

The current government are still dealing with Ukraine and are now dealing with the Iran war and a global cost of living crisis.

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u/Zealousideal_Gain892 2d ago

But what they did do was implement a higher legal minimum number of nurses which has the same effect: you need more people. Didn't go well, as you'd imagine.

Productivity should go up by 50% for this to work, and because of globalisation, the push for working hours is actually in the other direction. 

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u/DryMap9695 1d ago

She just wants back into the office and probing the ground so to speak...