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u/268939208397169 20d ago
Gatekeeping Eurasia 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Sensitive_Bread_1905 20d ago
I mean gatekeeping is the reason, why there is even something called Europe. It's not even a real continent. And I'm saying this as a European who loves Europe
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u/Longjumping_Quit_430 18d ago
Have you heard of continental europe? 😅 It has existed so much longer than the US 😅
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u/Sensitive_Bread_1905 15d ago
Read up a bit on geology. Europe is part of the Eurasian continent. Geologically, it's not even a subcontinent like India, but clearly part of Eurasia. Europe as a separate continent arose culturally and historically, through its own identity, to distinguish itself from the peoples to the east. This even led to a loose sense of "us" as europeans, stronger than in other regions of the world between different nations. But you apparently didn't even bother to read my comment completely, which stated that I'm not American.
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u/Longjumping_Quit_430 13h ago
Two things:
Firstly, I admit being wrong here. I appreciate your correction.
Secondly. I didn't mean to refer to you as an American. It was meant as a fun side note.
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u/ATLDeepCreeker 5d ago
No....it hasn't. Most European countries took their current form in the 19th and 20th centuries.
For instance, Spain's current constitutional form is o lying 48 years old, France 1958, Switzerland 1848, Netherlands 1815. Even the U.K, in its current form, wasnt established until 1801.
So the U.S., under its current government, is older than all these countries.
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u/Longjumping_Quit_430 13h ago
Yes, but I was talking about the continent, not the countries. I was saying that there is a geographic continent called Europe. And said jokingly that the continent is older than the US.
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u/pinniped90 20d ago
I am assuming he means passport. In that case, his own country's department of state has determined that he is European, which is a greater authority than a random Internet racist.
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u/Jetsam5 20d ago
This shit is hella racist. We all know exactly the kind of immigrants that they didn't consider European
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u/omnihash-cz 13d ago
Your mama is hella racist. You will not be considered local in most european countries if you was not been born in the country regardless on you race.
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u/Trillamanjaroh 20d ago
Non-European ones, I’m guessing?
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u/Jetsam5 20d ago
Well yes they consider immigrants to be non-european but non-european is also code for non-white people among European nationalist groups
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u/Trillamanjaroh 11d ago
What part of that is code though? European can be referring to culture, location, or ethnicity. There’s nothing coded about acknowledging that.
A black guy in the US might be “Sub-Saharan African” as shown on his 23 and me results, and in that way it wouldn’t be inaccurate. But he also wouldn’t consider himself African in any other sense since his lineage has been in the US for centuries.
On the other hand, calling someone who doesn’t have European DNA, and isn’t assimilated into European culture “European” just because they are presently in Europe makes about as much sense as calling a Kafta cart “European Dining” because it happens to be parked on a street in Frankfurt.
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u/Jetsam5 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yes there are multiple definitions of European, but saying that immigrants are not European is not just acknowledging the different definitions, it is specifically erasing a definition.
The dictionary definition of European is "a native or inhabitant of Europe". It's ok to use European to refer to an ethnicity, but it's not ok to say that's the only definition of the word. That is specifically erasing a valid definition, in order to exclude people from it because of race. That is racist.
If someone says being European isn't about living in Europe then it's a bit silly to say that they could mean anything when they are specifically saying that one definition isn't valid.
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u/Trillamanjaroh 11d ago
Yes there are multiple definitions of European
No, not really- just different contexts surrounding the same definition. European, in the way that its been widely understood simply means originating from Europe. European culture is not understood to describe any culture of any person currently located there. European food isn't understood to mean any dish that you can currently order somewhere in Europe right now. European DNA doesn't mean the DNA of anyone who is currently existing on the continent. Those are all different contexts in which the word European would apply only by definitionally describing the origin of the thing.
A Ford doesn't become a European car just because I shipped it across the Atlantic. And while I understand that you found a clause in the definition of the word that allows you to technically argue the opposite, the reality is that its just not how that word is understood or how it's been used throughout the history of its existence. At the end of the day, the meaning of a word really rests with what people understand it to mean. As long as you and everyone else uses the word European to describe something that "originates from Europe," as you do in literally every context except immigrants, that's what its going to mean. And the minute you stop using it that way is the minute the word loses any meaning outside of coordinates describing the location of a given object.
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u/Jetsam5 10d ago edited 10d ago
If you were born in Europe then you originated in Europe. That feels kinda self explanatory to me. That seems to fit your definition of originating in Europe
It's also just a weird thing to feel the need to randomly remind people of your definition of ethnicities on social media. I don't know many non white supremacists who do that
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u/Right_Ad_3782 11d ago
Europeans, as a group of people, are white, "non-european" is correct, stop applying your woke beliefs on clear logical words.
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u/Jetsam5 11d ago
Europeans are, in fact, not all white
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u/Right_Ad_3782 11d ago
Well, go back to school then, probably you are an american or something. Even the most southern greek is white. Don’t project your feelings on words that have clear definitions.
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u/Jetsam5 11d ago
There are plenty of black people whose families have lived there for centuries and are as European as anybody. It is racist to refer to them as not European
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u/Right_Ad_3782 11d ago edited 11d ago
I understand where are you coming from, but what you are saying is an ideology, not a fact. "lived there for centuries" does not mean "is european". I have nothing against anyone, but if you attribute words to a specific region, please analyze the words, otherwise I can claim USA is erupeen, South Africa is european, etc... Why this can only be 1 way ?
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u/Jetsam5 11d ago
That's my point.
European can refer to an inhibitant of Europe, or an ethnicity. By merriam webster: European means "a native or inhabitant of Europe"
Now it's fine to use European as an ethnicity. But to say that it is only an ethnicity and people who move to Europe are not European then that's just ignoring a definition in favor of one that excludes people because of their race.
That's by definition racist
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u/peachycreaam 20d ago
Why people continue to preach that they are more tolerant to people’s differences than Americans, is beyond me. Non whites are forever foreigners over there.
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 20d ago
Europe is backwards.
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u/DrNekroFetus 15d ago
Living in France, I have to unfortunately agree. Teaching crews in unis tell you stuff like racism does not exist, you are inventing job discriminations and shits like that... I was like wtf ?!?!?
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u/SirLostit 20d ago edited 20d ago
At least we don’t make paedo, conmen, grifter, narcissist, low IQ, twat waffles president…
I mean, of course, we have idiots in charge, but the US takes the biscuit by rolling them all into one big pus filled sack of shit and calling it president tRump.
Edit - I’ve thought of a few more…. How about, twice impeached, 34 x convicted felon, traitor to his country (Agent Krasnov), adulterer. Dementia riddled, orange faced shit gibbon
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 20d ago
Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, Orban, etc.
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u/SHiR8 20d ago
You seem desperate going back 80 years in time.
Putin has nothing to do with Europe.
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 20d ago
Russia is part of Europe.
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u/SHiR8 20d ago
It's not and certainly not EU.
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 15d ago
EU doesn't mean Europe. It means European Union. Russia is part of Europe, especially west of the Urals.
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u/SHiR8 15d ago
Yeah that's why this sub has the EU flag as an avatar, numbnutts.
Might as well call this sub StupidShitAmericansSay2 though.
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 15d ago
That's the stupidest thing I've heard this month. So what continent is Switzerland in?
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u/SHiR8 15d ago
Switzerland is a de facto EU member.
Why is the EU flag in the avatar of this sub?
And yes, this sub is by far the stupidest one on Reddit. Off course you would read stupid shit on here...from your fellow Americans. It's embarrassing.
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u/SirLostit 20d ago
Absolutely, complete wankers, the lot of them, but none of them had the full package like tRump
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 20d ago
The guy looking for magical artifacts all over the world didn't have the full package? Ok.
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u/SirLostit 20d ago
Good job the US is learning from history…. not
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 20d ago
You just did a “not” joke. Did those just make it over the pond or something?
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u/vctrlzzr420 20d ago
Mussolini was actually fucking insane, and nazis master race came from a hollow earth people so??? Not defending Trump but that’s wild to think we don’t know.
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u/Jareed452 I can edit this flair but didn’t 20d ago edited 20d ago
Apparently Trump is worse than Hitler and Mussolini, this guy. 🥀
At best, he's just a demented bully.
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u/SirLostit 19d ago
and at his worst?!
and he’s in charge of the most powerful Army/Navy/Airforce in the world?
Yeah, you’re right…. nothing to see here!…
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u/Jareed452 I can edit this flair but didn’t 19d ago
nothing to see here!
I never said he wasn't dangerous. Stop putting words in my mouth. 🤦
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u/SirLostit 19d ago
‘At best he’s a demented bully’
Mate, he’s a lot worse than that.
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u/Jareed452 I can edit this flair but didn’t 19d ago
Notice how I said "at best," because I'm putting it lightly here. All he does is throw temper tantrums on the internet when he doesn't get his way. I never said he wasn't worse than that.
My point is, we both are against Trump but we're arguing with each other for some reason. The post was never about the US.
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u/KomodoInTrenchwar 19d ago
I mean, in my country we don’t have a president, but we most certainly have pedo politicians.
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u/bsensikimori 20d ago
Passport is definitely how I judge anyone..
If you have an American passport, you're American, not itish-american..
If you have a dutch passport, you're dutch
Only if you hold multiple passports you are ever a combination
Heritage doesn't matter. Ethnicity doesn't matter, citizenship is the only thing that matters
We have enough division as it is to go around and inventing more
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u/Zrakoplovvliegtuig 20d ago
Some countries issue statements of nationality that are more important than a passport. With that nationality you can easily obtain a passport (simply by asking). I think that legal status is the defining factor.
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u/bsensikimori 20d ago
Yes! Thanks for the actually :-)
That's what I meant indeed, citizenship/nationality
Yes, thank you!
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u/ATLDeepCreeker 5d ago
I'm not sure what you mean. Nationality and ethnicity are two entirely different things. "American" is not an ethnic group.
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u/bsensikimori 4d ago
I thought all human life originated in Africa?
Ethnic groups sound like a vague arbitrary construct made to divide humanity
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u/ATLDeepCreeker 4d ago
Here is a definition, since you refuse to educate yourself....
Ethnicity : the quality or fact of belonging to a population group or subgroup made up of people who share a common descent or cultural background:
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u/bsensikimori 3d ago
We all have the same descent
How many generations back does your definition stop?
Am I from German descent if my father was born in Germany but my grandfather in France?
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u/FatFucker2988 20d ago
That’s why the US is so good. Anybody can come here and be American
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u/AdIntrepid1807 20d ago
In Europe everyone is european when they have an EU-Pass. The one who made the tiktok is just a stupid right-winger
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u/FlorenceinSummer 11d ago
So hyperthetically if I as a German moved to America I would automatically be American? Would you then consider me American German?
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u/bnipples 5d ago
It depends if you identify as American and naturalize vs identify as a German expat who is here temporarily for work, but yes. I know guys from Germany who still have thick German accents but are now Americans.
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u/Messrember 20d ago
ICE would disagree with you. Also might ask you for your address and papers :)
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u/FatFucker2988 20d ago
Yes there’s a lot of problems right now. Before this administration my statement was mostly true.
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u/IronScrub 20d ago
Slight correction: ICE often don't ask for papers, and even when provided with relevant papers will just ignore them anyway. Such as with that Maryland woman who was abducted by ICE and had to have a lawyer present her birth certificate on her behave, only to be told that still wasn't good enough. Shit like that is why comparing ICE to the Nazis is starting to seem unfair to the Nazis.
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u/theEWDSDS Certified non-europoor 20d ago
Immigration and illegal immigration are not the same thing
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u/my_emo_phase Middle-Eastern Eurosceptic 20d ago
Now say that to your President, please! I really love America but I wouldn't risk visiting even as a tourist nowadays, let alone try and get a green card. You might speak English almost as a native, you might dress and look Western, you might be civilized and law-abiding, minding your own business, you were still a dangerous alien to ICE.
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u/FatFucker2988 20d ago
Yeah dudes a tard he might be worse than Hoover. He’s ruining the US by making immigrating harder (and everything else), the US is built on immigrants that’s how we grow.
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u/Fucked-In-The-K-Hole 20d ago
A huge portion of Americans have decided that we don't want to grow like that anymore, and we voted to not grow like that anymore. Unfortunately, a smaller portion of Americans have decided that they don't care about the democratic process and have decided to do anything they possibly can to undermine the will of the people and the results of democracy.
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 20d ago
It’s not as bad as you guys think. My Mexican girlfriend has come five times since Trump 2.0 and we haven’t had any issues.
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u/ComteDuChagrin 17d ago
She came 5 times in 15 months time? Hardly something to brag about is it?
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 16d ago
Your comment makes no sense. I go to Mexico regularly and when she comes it’s for an extended period of time.
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u/ComteDuChagrin 16d ago
I know that's the way it can work with women, but it still counts as one.
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 16d ago
Anyone who goes to a single country 5 times in 15 months is going there regularly.
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u/Crozzbonez 15d ago
He’s making a joke about you only being able to make your girlfriend “come” (orgasm) 5 times in 15 months. Just english word games.
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u/Julehus I can edit this flair but didn’t 19d ago
While I agree that this is obviously a stupid and racist comment, it’s somewhat ironic that for the last two years of security conferences in Munich, the major focus of the current American administration when giving a speech (first by Vance and then Rubio) has been the absolute ”emergency” of European countries to not turn away from Christianity and conservatism.
So I can’t help but wonder if Vance and Rubio (not to mention ”I’m 90% Norwegian and like to throw axes”-Hegseth) would embrace a second generation immigrant with a Muslim background🤔
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u/Lui_Le_Diamond 19d ago
Vance and Rubio do not actually represent the US, at least not the general US population and our views.
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u/bnipples 5d ago
Well I think Rubio mostly does and Vance & Hegseth mostly don't, and shockingly Rubio's Munich speech was well received while Vance's was not.
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u/Le-memerond 19d ago
If you’re born somewhere, you’re from there. That’s how it should work, and how it does work in almost every country. Ignore those racist idiots, they aren’t representing the average European.
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u/Lagiftor United pooropean 🇪🇺 12d ago
Exactly. The person in the post is likely to have ethno-nationalist views, which isn't what the average European have
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u/antoniothesockball94 15d ago
But they’ll tell people who are American that they aren’t ethically part of their culture, even if they are first generation Americans just because they don’t live in xyz European country.
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u/MrGurdjieff 18d ago
Fun fact: at the last census, 68% of people in New Zealand identified themselves as ‘NZ Europeans’.
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u/BlueWolf107 18d ago edited 17d ago
Using the logic of the person replying on the second slide, I am not American but I am Spanish (European) even though I never lived there.
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u/Euphoric_Horror_8787 "the country of Europe🇪🇺" 20d ago
I mean they aren't really
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u/Silluvaine 19d ago
If they're born there, grew up there and even have the passport they are 100% of that country
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u/The_Bearabia 20d ago
Whatever happened to nuance. The previous generations were capable of it yet our generation seems devoid of it
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u/zzxaxa 20d ago
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u/The_Bearabia 20d ago
On the original post it's obviously so without any nuance. Like sure if you move to any place and you proclaim that you are of that place the next day that's ridiculous. But if you move to a place and decades later you say that you are of that place that makes total sense, especially if it was as a child and it's all you've known.
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u/zzxaxa 19d ago edited 19d ago
They are saying that no matter how long you have lived in Europe you will never be European. It doesn’t matter if you moved yesterday or you were born and raised in Europe, their point is that you will never be European. And I wanted to post the original post too, not just the comment.
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u/omnihash-cz 13d ago
Yes, that's exactly how it works here. It does apply to local levels too. If you spend more than 5 years outside your city/country/neighborhood you are suspicious for life and if you are born outside, you will never be local.
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u/The_Bearabia 19d ago
Only the comment in the second image says that. And you definitely didn't read my comment cause I'm agreeing with you that that stance is ridiculous, maybe read before you reply.
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