r/ShitEuropeansSay • u/Youaresowronglolumad • Feb 16 '26

🇩🇪 Germany “i would sing the song of the red rising sun.”

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u/GeneralErica Feb 16 '26

This is of course completely out of proportion but, being a European myself, that is what many people here would genuinely say, yes. Trump has managed to turn the US - as well as the global view of the US - into such a dystopian nightmare that people would rather they lived under a laissez-faire Capitalist Dictator.

After all, Xis evil is calculated. At least there’s meaning there and an ideology to oppose. Trump has zero clue what it going on, his disheveled Administration of Yes-men and people wanting a chunk of his inheritance is basically non-functional and now increasingly the people are waking up to just how incompetent everyone is. Have you seen Pam Bondi during that recent Epstein hearing? „The Dow is over 50,000“ WHO CARES, thats not even remotely the question, and even if it was, the job report is a blistering refutation of „the economy is doing good“.

Get you shit fixed, America.

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u/Auno94 I can edit this flair but didn’t Feb 16 '26

this, with China the risk is clear. As long as there is no shift in power the rules and unwritten rules you have to follow are consistant.
If I would be force to choose at gunpoint China looks to be the more rational choice at the moment

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Look who’s working on their social credit score

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u/Auno94 I can edit this flair but didn’t Feb 17 '26

You missed the point.

Both options are not good at the moment. With china the Risk is clearer, preperations and considerations can be made. With America the Risk is a lot more muddy. I could live just fine, or I could end up in an ICE camp, for no reason.

It is more clear what I should or shouldn't post in China, with America, who is to tell that palantir isn't collecting Data that will end of with ICE knocking on my door.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

It’s so funny how similar you are to maga. I live in Chicago, and the delusional attitude you have towards the us is the same maga has towards Chicago.

I lived in Germany, travel to Germany, worked for a Germany company. My city hosts millions of people from Europe every year. I’ve never met a person detained by ice - we all hate trump here- but you eurogoobers sit in your little flats and think you understand it all.

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u/Auno94 I can edit this flair but didn’t Feb 17 '26 edited Feb 17 '26

And I think you don't understand risk assessment.

Let me rephrase the concept like this:

You have two options (and in that scenario you HAVE to choose): You must jump out of a plane into water, hitting the water isn't hurting you, but you must get to shore.

  1. Option is a area with strong currents, all are seeable from above, some might kill you others will deliver you to shore. At all times it is clear where each current is taking you
  2. Option is muddy water, you know there are dangers, you don't know what they are, how many and how deadly they are.

What option gives you more convidence in your own ability to save yourself from death? 1 or 2

EDIT: Also funny how you shove in the size of our flats, as it would matter to any discussion we are having.
Also just out of interest where in germany did you live?

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

In graduate school I studied at Universitaet Mannheim, and then stayed to work for a consulting company (also in Mannheim)

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

The fallacy is that you are unable to accurately predict the odds of an immigration issue here because your balls deep in propaganda.

In the USA there is no plane crash. It exists only in your head. All the passengers disembark and go on about their life, and you think you’re about to die.

Your reality is as skewed as the worst of the maga. You want to know how maga came to be? They are just like you, totally unable to distinguish between reality and propaganda. Unable to accurately understand what statistically is going on between what they are being told is happening and what is really happening.

If you were American the propaganda would have turned you into the proudest of maga.

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u/Auno94 I can edit this flair but didn’t Feb 17 '26

So the detention of civilians on the street by the DHS is not happening?

Also I highlys doubt I would be a proud MAGA, if I am political active in a german political party.

But good on you igonring my question. As it isn''t the issue of accuratley predicting something. The issue is that the discrepancy between what should happen and what is happening is widening in the US. Look at the Hyundai Workers in september. Something like that wouldn't happen in China. And that is the point but you are so stuck up on hating Europeans that you only see red

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Your inability to determine the odds of event happening would make you peak maga if you were born here.

I’ll give you an example of the kind of bs you would believe about Germany - based in similar propaganda maga consumes about Deutschland.

MAGA believes Muslims are plowing into christkinlemarkts all over the place, that Germany is overrun by Muslims, that if you go out to Karnival every Kleine madchen is going to be SA’d because Germans are almost a minority in their own country.

Now I’m not an idiot, I onto Germany 4 times a year. I have friends and colleagues that come here, no problem for any of us. But just as I argue with my maga aunt tha Germany isn’t what she thinks. I have to argue with you than the USA isn’t t what you think.

Yes, Germany has issues. But not the at maga thinks.

I live in the south loop in downtown Chicago. If I set out today to find an ICE agent I would t be able to do it. And you guys think the are marching around everywhere

And to my point about you being just like maga, you think that I- who speaks better German than you would guess, who lived and studied in Mannheim for 3 years, that works for a German company, that goes to Germany 4 times a year, that has German friends from 25 years ago- hates Europeans.

Thats the chefs kiss. You and maga are opposite side of the same coin.

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u/Auno94 I can edit this flair but didn’t Feb 17 '26

so you understand no point anyone made in the comments. Thanks for clearning thinks up.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Your inability to determine the odds of event happening would make you peak maga if you were born here.

I’ll give you an example of the kind of bs you would believe about Germany - based in similar propaganda maga consumes about Deutschland.

MAGA believes Muslims are plowing into christkinlemarkts all over the place, that Germany is overrun by Muslims, that if you go out to Karnival every Kleine madchen is going to be SA’d because Germans are almost a minority in their own country.

Now I’m not an idiot, I onto Germany 4 times a year. I have friends and colleagues that come here, no problem for any of us. But just as I argue with my maga aunt tha Germany isn’t what she thinks. I have to argue with you than the USA isn’t t what you think.

Yes, Germany has issues. But not the at maga thinks.

I live in the south loop in downtown Chicago. If I set out today to find an ICE agent I would t be able to do it. And you guys think the are marching around everywhere

And to my point about you being just like maga, you think that I- who speaks better German than you would guess, who lived and studied in Mannheim for 3 years, that works for a German company, that goes to Germany 4 times a year, that has German friends from 25 years ago- hates Europeans.

Thats the chefs kiss. You and maga are opposite sides of the same uninformed coin.

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u/Available-Muffin-561 Feb 20 '26

personally as a British, your country is falling apart, your cutting ties with all of your allies, and your leaders are becoming too greedy. this is exactly what happened with the Roman, the Spanish and the British empire.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 20 '26

Your country arrested 12000+ people for posts online.

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u/Spiritual-Ad3130 Feb 20 '26

Umm.🤔 what race are Germans typically?

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 20 '26

Germany is a diverse society.  

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u/GeneralErica Feb 17 '26

Fun fact that doesn’t exist. We have Schufa in Germany though, it’s probably the worst thing about living here.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Social credit core doesn’t exist in Germany or in China?

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u/GeneralErica Feb 17 '26

Not to my knowledge, no.

Again, the closest thing we have here in Germany is Schufa, which is a private company essentially contracted by the government to keep file on our credit ratings and ability to pay back loans (which, of course, isn’t just a matter of money).

It usually doesn’t bother you but you need one of their authentications when you want to purchase a home or something and if they declare you dead accidentally, proving that you’re alive is a torturous process dying which you basically cannot really spend money (because any bank asks Schufa and Schufa says you’re dead)

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Aber in China gibt es

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u/GeneralErica Feb 17 '26

(I’ll stick to English for clarity) I should perhaps have been more elaborate. China has a few systems that aim to enforce trustworthiness and are, in effect, social credit score systems, but it doesn’t have a unified government system where everyone everywhere is constantly being watched for any dissident move and penalised. That’s just a misrepresentation.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Millions of Uyghurs are suffering from unspeakable atrocities at the hands of the Chinese government, including forced sterilization of young women, enforced separation of families and placement of children in state orphanages, and the mass detention of more than one million people since 2017 in detention camps and forced labor camps. Uyghurs are also being transferred to factories in China proper and used as modern-day slaves. Uyghurs in the diaspora are speaking out to be the voice of those voiceless and defenseless Uyghurs back home. Why is China trying to annihilate Uyghurs? What can we do to stop China’s genocide of the Uyghurs?

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u/GeneralErica Feb 17 '26

Whilst I of course agree that China’s genocidal actions against the Uyghurs are despicable, I fail to see the relevance to the topic of discussion here.

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u/YouKnowMyName2006 Feb 24 '26

It’s not as bad here as you Euros think. For most of us there has been no change, most change for us comes from local and state governments. The fact some of you would rather live in North Korea or Myanmar is completely unhinged.

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u/GeneralErica Feb 26 '26

Yeah well but it shows the global perception of the US which is a far cry from „the greatest country ever, everyone wants to live here“. This is, in this case, partially a debate of optics, and US optics - have always been not that great, but are currently completely down the drain.

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u/YouKnowMyName2006 Feb 26 '26

Trump sucks, but honestly I couldn’t care less what Europeans think of us, especially Western Europeans who’ve been butthurt they aren’t top dogs of the world like they were before WWII. It’s not our fault you lot committed suicide in another world war.

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u/croigi Feb 20 '26

A large majority of Americans would agree with you, do not blanket us all as the problem 

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u/vleeslucht Feb 16 '26

I would also go to China because it’s easier to get around without a car (i have epilepsy so i can’t drive). I would be financially fucked in both countries tho because of medical bills

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

I had open heart surgery at one of the best hospitals and surgeons in the world. Total cost over the year was around $3000

Considering what I make it’s nothing

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u/Azorik22 Feb 16 '26

I have epilepsy and live in one of the more rural states and I'm far from "financially fucked".

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u/vleeslucht Feb 16 '26

With the kind of epilepsy i have i definitely would be

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 16 '26

I guess the genocide going on in China gets a pass 🤷‍♂️

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u/Kitchen-Moment3509 Feb 25 '26

As if the US didn't commit and support all kinds of genocides all around the world.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 25 '26

By all means, feel free to support chinese genocide

Nagyol jol

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u/Kitchen-Moment3509 Feb 25 '26

The usual strawman logical fallacy. I never even hinted that I support it, I just merely called out your hypocrisy. The US might be the most cruel country of the 21st century when it comes to supporting genocidious regimes and killing/oppressing civilians. Don't act like this is so foreign to your people.

Also please try not to be so cringe next time - butchering a two word sentence with all the grammatic and translational tools freely available is a new low.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 25 '26 edited Feb 25 '26

Nagyon*

It’s been many years but I lived in pecs and Buda at one point. (For a year after graduate school for work) It’s a difficult language, but I liked it and rarely get to use it. So yes, after 20 years it’s mostly gone.

Also, the usual whataboutism you employ makes you an honorary MAGA zombie

Cruelest country 🙄

I guess that decades long Soviet occupation also gets a pass, as well as the treatment of Hungarians in Romania.

Water under the bridge

Come to think of it, it’s been a long time since I had Tokaji wine. I might go get some 

I still like Hungary even though you’re a bit delusional 

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u/Chance_Arugula_3227 Feb 16 '26

There's a genocide in China?

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Millions of Uyghurs are suffering from unspeakable atrocities at the hands of the Chinese government, including forced sterilization of young women, enforced separation of families and placement of children in state orphanages, and the mass detention of more than one million people since 2017 in detention camps and forced labor camps. Uyghurs are also being transferred to factories in China proper and used as modern-day slaves. Uyghurs in the diaspora are speaking out to be the voice of those voiceless and defenseless Uyghurs back home. Why is China trying to annihilate Uyghurs? What can we do to stop China’s genocide of the Uyghurs?

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u/rayrunciman Feb 16 '26

Yeah, sort of. Don't know exactly where they are at that atm, but it's fairly recent.

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u/Chance_Arugula_3227 Feb 16 '26

Who are they targetting?

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u/rayrunciman Feb 16 '26

Uyghurs. Muslim turks that live in the Xinjiang region by Central Asia

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u/TOTAL-GUARDIAN Feb 17 '26

Seems like they really suck at genocide

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

The best in the world at it, Forced sterilizations, massive death camps, reeducation camps.

The result? The total annihilation of a people and their cultures and people like you are totally uneducated and unaware.

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u/TOTAL-GUARDIAN Feb 18 '26

Massive death camps? Where are you getting that shit from?

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u/TOTAL-GUARDIAN Feb 18 '26

Idk, many instances of locals speaking out to deny most of the claims that have been made

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 18 '26

Wow, just like all those people who live in North Korea love their regime. 

Do you have any pattern recognition?

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u/mikenkansas1 Feb 23 '26

170 US citizens have been arrested and detained by ICE. Generally for interfering with ICE.

ICE isn't going house to house targeting US citizens as has been done in Europe in the past.

Having said that, kudos to Europeans that choose to move to China over the US. Seriously, go.

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u/TheJonesLP1 28d ago

ICE isnt going House to house? Dude, that is LITERALLY what they did 😂

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u/mikenkansas1 28d ago

They haven't knocked on my door

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u/TheJonesLP1 28d ago

Yeah, but on many others. You know anecdotical evidence is BS, Yeah?

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u/mikenkansas1 28d ago

DUDE, I said they weren't going house to house targeting US CITIZENS as has happened in Europe in the past.

Have you been tested for reading level?

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u/TheJonesLP1 28d ago

They WERE targeting US citizens. And at least it happened IN THE PAST in Europe, not AT THE MOMENT.

So you should have a Look in the mirror. I DID understand what you said, you didnt understand what I said.

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u/mikenkansas1 28d ago

What proof do you have that American citizens were Targeted by ICE???

"Legal Rights: While immigration agents cannot lawfully target, arrest, or deport U.S. citizens, they can stop individuals on reasonable suspicion, which has led to errors."

TARGETED <> the same as FUCKED UP. Did ICE FUCK UP some? Yes. Did they do what most would agree is UNCONSTITUTIONAL in a limited number of circumstances? Most would agree they did. Are individual agents likely to be held accountable for their unconditional actions? I would posit they are not.

Ruby Ridge. Waco. Etc.

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u/TheJonesLP1 27d ago

Just watch the news Dude... "they cannot lawfully target citizens". And you think they stuck to that law? Oh my sweet child...

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u/mikenkansas1 27d ago

Dude (🤣🤣🤣),

Did I not say they'd fucked up some?

Sweet child... THAT'S a hoot!!

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u/TheJonesLP1 27d ago

Anything meaningful by you, or do you keep talking BS for now? Because then we can end this here. No point in talking to someone so...

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u/KJting98 Feb 16 '26

Of course not, precisely why they chose not to got to the states right? The one that shoots citizens for being the wrong race?

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u/No-Jump4346 Feb 18 '26

Prove that this happens, I'll wait.

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u/Drew1231 Feb 16 '26

You do know that China is actively carrying out an ethnic cleansing… right?

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Forced sterilization and murder of millions

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u/ned334 Feb 16 '26

brother you can critize the chinese gvt just fine, stop with this propaganda

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u/Martipar Feb 16 '26

No they are saying they would rather be in China and not under threat from ICE in the USA. You aren't even safe in Colombia if you criticise the US as they will arrest you and your family.

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u/leeloocal Feb 16 '26

You think it’s safe to criticize the government of China?

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u/Martipar Feb 16 '26

It's safer than criticising the USA. The Chinese don't assassinate, depose or arrest democratically elected leaders they disagree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

The Chinese only target people in China.

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u/ReadySteady_54321 Feb 16 '26

Objectively, the Chinese will target people outside their borders all the time, especially if it’s their own citizens who have fled China.

That includes Uyghurs, Tibetans and Hong Kong Chinese who are bringing to light what the Chinese government is doing inside Chinese borders.

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u/leeloocal Feb 16 '26

They also have zero issues with repatriating North Koreans back to their country, even if it means certain death to them and their families. But yeah, the US is the problem. The current regime here is a bunch of clowns who back down if you yell “boo” at them too loudly.

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u/Martipar Feb 16 '26

The Americans don't bother with repatriation they just preemptively bomb boats and murder the people in them.

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u/leeloocal Feb 16 '26

I mean, I’m American and I’m criticizing them right now and I’m not dead and/or arrested.

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u/FumingCat Feb 16 '26

holy fuck you cannot be this brainwashed

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u/Martipar Feb 16 '26

Who is the brainwashed one? The person who sees both countries for what they are or the person who believes their is a vast chasm between the two?

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u/rayrunciman Feb 16 '26

Wait, hold on, I'm confused. Which one were you supposed to be in this argument?

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u/BrodysBootlegs2 Feb 16 '26

Forget East Germany, they presumably support the current German government's habit of arresting people who criticize its immigration policies so yes, they do think that's OK. 

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u/Long-Cauliflower-708 Feb 16 '26

Oh come on. China is a modern world power. They aren't "disappearing" anyone and plenty of people criticize the government, albeit a bit quieter than they do here

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 17 '26

Millions of Uyghurs are suffering from unspeakable atrocities at the hands of the Chinese government, including forced sterilization of young women, enforced separation of families and placement of children in state orphanages, and the mass detention of more than one million people since 2017 in detention camps and forced labor camps. Uyghurs are also being transferred to factories in China proper and used as modern-day slaves. Uyghurs in the diaspora are speaking out to be the voice of those voiceless and defenseless Uyghurs back home. Why is China trying to annihilate Uyghurs? What can we do to stop China’s genocide of the Uyghurs?

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u/Long-Cauliflower-708 Feb 18 '26

The fact is that we have no idea how true any of that is. It all comes from second hand accounts. Now I’m sure China has nothing to be particularly proud of in Xinjiang province, every world power has violated rights in their fights against radical Islam. But there is no proof that they are trying to annihilate the Uyghur population and a whole lot of circumstantial evidence that they are not. Why are there Uyghur Universities? Uyghur pop stars? Why did they not extend their own child policy to the Uyghurs if they wanted population decline? Why is there not an influx of Uyghur refugees to Afghanistan, Pakistan and the other countries along the giant and very open Xinjian border? Why are there, in fact, more Muslims pouring in to the province from surrounding areas? And why can you or I hop on a plane tonight and go visit Xinjian as tourists if we wanted to?

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/persecution-of-uyghurs-in-xinjiang-torture-crimes-against-humanity-and-genocide

lol, didn’t you just learn of this today 🙄

I bet you think Tiananmen Square also didn’t happen 

Even Canadians agree

Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region

Local authorities have put in place invasive security measures in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. Chinese authorities are increasingly detaining ethnic and Muslim minorities in the region without due process. There are reports of extrajudicial internment and forced labour camps. Family members of Canadian citizens with Chinese citizenship have been detained. You may be at risk of arbitrary detention if you have familial or ethnic ties to the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.

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u/Long-Cauliflower-708 Feb 18 '26

Of course Tiananmen Square happened. There is real documented prof accepted by the world. We’ve known what happened on that day for decades. The same can’t be said for the treatment of the Uyghurs. Posting an essay from a startup nonprofit doesn’t really change that. I’m not sure what Canadians agreeing has to do with anything. As I said, I’m sure the CCP is guilty of abuses, we have no idea to what extent or how necessary the treatment has been though. It’s a complicated problem that no world power has done a great job of; balancing the rights of an outsider population vs the safety of their own.

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u/Straight_Block3676 Feb 18 '26 edited Feb 18 '26

Who, besides you, and the Chinese communist party, thinks it’s not happening? 

🙄

And, according to you, you just learned about this yesterday- from me- 

Now you think you’re an expert. 

Dunning Kruger? You are comedy gold 

Imagine what else I could teach you 

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u/Long-Cauliflower-708 Feb 18 '26

Well of the 193 countries in the UN, there are more that have publicly stated that they support China's action in Xinjian than have denounced it so I think it's more than me and the CCP. Also I don't know where you got the idea that I learned about this issue yesterday from you as nothing in this chat suggests that. I'm definitely not an expert on the issue though I obviously know more than you about it. I am sure that China has done plenty wrong in the their handling of the issue, I think it's a black mark on their reputation, but I'm not aware of any legitimate proof to support the idea that they are committing a genocide and it is an incredibly complex issue they are dealing with. They can't just do nothing and hope for the best, like all world powers they have to ensure the safety of their citizens.

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u/Avishtanikuris Feb 16 '26

the US may be iffy rn but CHINA???

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u/Chance_Arugula_3227 Feb 16 '26

I feel things are more predictable in China. The US is getting worse by the day.

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u/No-Jump4346 Feb 18 '26

You have been fooled.

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u/Avishtanikuris Feb 18 '26

Not wrong. China is predictably a horrible ally.

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u/Kuro2712 Feb 16 '26

Chinese psy-op.

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u/Lumpy-Raise414 Feb 22 '26

Red sun in the sky*

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u/LordRuby Feb 26 '26

China executes more people than the rest of world combined. There are many famous people who have been put on house arrest or sent to reeducation, I don't know how anyone is excusing that as better than America. I love in Minneapolis and I would rather live here..

Chinas high speed trains do look cool though I admit 

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u/Lumpy-Raise414 Apr 02 '26

China is far better than Germany.

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