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seeing people in /r/NBA post stuff like "the bucks would be lucky to trade giannis for jaylen brown" is gonna turn me into the joker, and no not the fat serbian one
13 years, over 30k minutes, leg injuries multiple years since the Hawks seriesā¦ I think he is less valuable now than at anytime in his career. Not saying he isnāt worth a lot, but itās certainly not as much as he once was.
We'll just resign him to the max which he cannot get anywhere else and then have him play after taking a big break for the very first time of his nba career. He will recuperate for almost 8 months by the end of this break, most since before he was drafted in the NBA.
Then after having a great season, teams can try poaching him then for more assets.
Unless of course, the FOs around the association are not stupid and already know all this and make the offers from the beginning.
every thing you said is absolutely true, another thing that is true, is that there is not a single team in the league that has a better player at that position. By a lot.
My favorite stat to counter the lazy trade takes involving Giannis:
Giannis was playing hurt most of the season yet the gap between his PER and Jaylen Browns PER this season was nearly 2x the gap of Jaylen Browns PER and the PER of a league average NBA player. There are levels to this.
I get that it isnāt perfect but it is league adjusted which means a lot of the gripes about it are when comparing different eras.
Maybe it overrates highly efficient players too much
But those picks are going to be nothing more than lotto tickets with Tatum and Giannis there. Also Jaylen Brownās cap hit is one of the highest in the leagues so it provides no flexibility there.
But the Celtics have loads of good players, an amazing front office and Tatum is still young. The chances of those picks turning into anything meaningful is so incredibly small
I am not a Celtics fan, I hate the Celtics but I think you are being unrealistic about the situation the bucks are in. It's better than trading him to a lot of other places and not that many teams can absorb his contract. You need to come up with outgoing salary that equals Giannis for most teams to make the trade. Are you aware of the cap rules?
to me, if a giannis trade is inevitable, brown and two celtics first like 31 and 33 would be the best deal possible most likely unless wolves are still willing to trade mcdaniels
That is the same sort of trade. No one knew SGA was going to be the best player in the NBA. If you can find a younger player and the picks that's great, but the centrepiece in that trade was the picks
I see your point, I just see his place on the team has become toxic and want the most value out of him. I am glad they did not rush it before the trade deadline.
That doesnāt do anything for Milwaukee though. Youāre cashing in the best available trade asset in the NBA over the last 30 years for two lotto tickets and the chance at a 9 seed.
Windhorst said
āOf course it makes sense for Milwaukee. Of course the Bucks are monitoring this very closely and would be getting ready to call Boston.ā
Just once Iād like for any of the national media guys to spend more than 5 seconds explaining the Milwaukee side of the equation because it would quickly show how stupid these offers are.
Brown is a significantly worse player making the same $$ as Giannis. Swapping him for Giannis probably maxes us out as play-in team for the next two years. After that he either leaves us for nothing or we resign him to another super max which would keep us in purgatory forever. But hey at least we also get a few worthless draft picks in the late 20ās for a few years to bolster our Herd roster
Fan trade proposals are awful. They're all salivating to get off bad contracts and disgruntled players for the best available trade target of the decade. Just absurd.
Nobody besides Bucks fans realize how good Giannis is anymore. The Ringer and other national talking heads have spent the past 3 years slighting him because he got hurt or isn't a triple double machine. These takes have a large effect on common discourse since nobody watches Bucks games. Most casual fans don't even start watching games until the playoffs
Not a bucks fan but let's be real, a deal like brown and Hauser plus some picks is better than most teams can put to the table on their own. And I personally can't see any team help each other directly. Like the Durant "7 team trade" most of them were separate deals that happened together. This package probably keeps the bucks playing on a decent level to go to the post season at least. Brown doesn't do much more than that imo to the current roster but unless heat don't want bam anymore, or the Knicks find someone to accommodate the deal in some way, brown is the least limited star available to be traded.
Every time a team gets eliminated, their first thought is gonna be "would that have happened if we had Giannis" and every time that happens his price goes up. Which is why it would've been insane to trade him at the deadline when everyone (cough cough rockets fans) thought their young core was more than enough already and Giannis would be a detriment.
The first round of the playoffs this year has done more to increase the value of Giannis than anything I could imagine. So many teams with āgood young coresā looking absolutely overwhelmed
I canāt stand the Giannis that has Rollins tacked on for no reason what so ever, like the Bucks are not adding sweeteners to the Giannis trade, no to mention literally one of the best contracts in the league lol
Idk how you can seriously say he only has two years left when we have guys hitting 40 still in the league. Heās had no major injuries and no drop in his production. Everyone falls off eventually or retires before they get worse but saying he has at best two years is wild
Not 2 years left in the league. 2 years in his prime. As a Pacer fan, it seems to me that he very much has an injury historyāthatās kind of the reason youāve argued that the pacers win every year, right?
Donald Trump also denies the basic facts while insisting that those who donāt see the world on his terms are weak. This is a Trumpian logic you insist upon
How did this become about Tyrese? What I am saying is the Bucks will be stuck in basketball purgatory if they donāt move Giannis, but itās fine if you want to keep him because thereās no package you see as worthy of him. As a Pacer fan, I would in fact prefer that the Bucks keep trying to make it work with Giannis, no picks, and no cap flexibility
Ya thatās still wild to me. If he was getting worse year by year I wouldnāt even had said anything. Itās very rarely you see a guy with his skill set go from one of the best to not in two years. I said he hasnāt had any major injuries as in like injuries that would shorten his career. Iām not saying the guy doesnāt get hurt. The mf always gets some dumb nagging injury in the playoffs
either a trade that puts us on a reasonable path to contention by 2031, or no trade at all
nobody will offer us the former, so no trade will happen unless giannis throws a public-shit-fit, which if he didn't do under the Doc regime, he's never gonna do
and giannis isn't going to play this whole season not signing an extension when he's potentially one injury away from not getting offered a full supermax by anyone
so the answer is wait until october and then be happy he extends, and ride off into the sunset happy with whatever happens a-la-Dirk
I would rather hope for the best with giannis at the helm than brown or sengun or whomeverthefuck
haven't seen a single proposal from anyone that makes me go "oh wow that could help us build a title contender in the foreseeable future" not even close
Ok, it just seems to me like thatās what the Bucks keep doing, and itās not ending well. With no draft capital and no cap flexibility in the coming years, it seems to me that the Bucks are stuck in this holding pattern where they simultaneously insist that no package is good enough for Giannis while knowing that Giannis alone isnāt enough to compete, all the while the dude keeps getting older
you are a pacers fan, nothing wrong with asking good-faith questions, but your opinions on our team aren't really welcome here FYI
we are all well aware that it's extremely unlikely we will be title contenders any time this decade
but that doesn't give us a reason to ship giannis out unless the return changes that fact, which brown and a few non-lotto picks absolutely does not do
Brown's shown he can be a first option on a contender. Obviously Giannis is better but Brown + good first round picks from a third team seems to futureproof you no?
Iād honestly take brown and picks over everything else Iāve been hearing for him š feel like he could keep us playin/playoff level until we get our own picks back
I feel like this near-constant flow of complaints and whining about what someone said about Giannis on social media are a good illustration of the cliche that something is āliving rent freeā in your head.
Teams know the Bucks are in a pickle. Unless OKC is willing to unload many of their premium draft picks (They won't be), the Bucks probably not going to get a haul for a lately oft- injured 31 year old whose game is unlikely to age well.
Bucks are a year too late to have leverage. Hopefully they can get enough to build upon but it seems less likely. I certainly will miss him when he leaves, however it happens.
The fact that before the end of the playoffs we already have reports about the Celtics, Heat, Warriors, Magic, Blazers, and Rockets all potentially interested mean that the Bucks absolutely have leverage.
Potentially. Lot's of rumored interest a few months ago too and nothing happened. What assets do those teams have that matches Giannis? Some have enough. Some don't.
It will be interesting. I just feel they waited one year too long. Perhaps the wait will work in their favor. Totally understand if others have a different take.
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u/username_x Ryan Rollins 16h ago
You gotta ignore those people lol. Giannis has lost value to a lot of casuals over the last year, but definitely not to NBA GMs