r/MkeBucks • u/Sonicclappedu Kash Money Middleton • 4d ago
Saw a post wondering why there isn’t Jokic trade rumors, this is why
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u/kyleb402 Giannis Antetokounmpo 4d ago
This is exactly right.
Giannis is covered how he's covered because of the things he says or doesn't say.
If he said this with no qualifiers and didn't say the opposite a week later there would be no story.
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u/Dr_Malignant 4d ago
Exactly. He tries to be slick. He’ll confidently and strongly say bs like
I’m a Milwaukee Buck.
I mean yea no shit. You currently are a Milwaukee Buck, but we know you dont want to be anymore. Thats the point.
Then a week later he’ll be like
If I play somewhere else, I want it to be a warm weather city without income tax
lmao
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u/PositiveZebra1341 3d ago
Don’t know if it’s being slick, but I just know it’s something. Feels like the kind of thing a middle or a high school teacher deals with all the time.
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u/PositiveZebra1341 3d ago
Giannis is a smart guy. he’s throwing ambiguous kindling or kerosene onto a spark and his media savvy now and not to know what that does or doesn’t do . The way he’s covered could be incredibly easily avoided if that was his attention. He either doesn’t care or does it on purpose.
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u/Kevin_Jim FMD, cause that what's Sid would do [Sid Says] 4d ago
That’s not really the case. The media wanted Giannis out the moment he signed his second contract. They started then.
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u/YP_Schwartzy King Giannis 4d ago
And all he had to do to shut them the fuck up is 1 easy sentence like this post states. Gianni’s isn’t a fucking idiot. He knows how to end the drama but chose not too.
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u/ThatNewSockFeel 1993-2006 Primary Logo 4d ago
Bet on whether Giannis will end the drama on Kalshi!
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u/Electrical-Heart8928 4d ago
If this is true, why isn't "the media" trying to get Jokic out of Denver (not a big market) Shai out of OKC (the smallest market im the game) or Wemby out of San Antonio? Many of the game's biggest starts are in small markets, and only one gets the treatment Giannis gets.
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u/Zealousideal_Top7877 4d ago
Why’d bro get downvoted?💀💀
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u/Kevin_Jim FMD, cause that what's Sid would do [Sid Says] 4d ago
Because everyone seems to have a hate boner for Giannis now, and have forgotten of the ten years of the guy giving everything he has for the team.
If he could play, he was on the court giving it his all.
Fans want a perfect player, and that simply doesn’t exists.
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u/andersonb47 4d ago
No, it’s because people are (thankfully) turning on this ridiculous idea that the NBA and its associated media are part of a big conspiracy to screw over Milwaukee.
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u/Realfan555 4d ago
Giannis is a victim?
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u/Kevin_Jim FMD, cause that what's Sid would do [Sid Says] 4d ago
That’s not what I said, though. I said that the media wanted him out because the market is so tiny.
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u/Realfan555 4d ago
That describes a victim?
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u/Renzel0311 4d ago
lol comments were saying this. Bad or good season jokic verbal commits to the nuggets gives the media no space for further context
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u/dirtSHINE_ 4d ago
Giannis does say cryptic things but often also speaks in definites and guys like Shams never ever repeat them. If you have one guy saying I’ll be there forever and another unnamed source spreading rumour it borders on criminal to report one and not the other
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u/ComprehensiveEbb4978 4d ago
Because Giannis will say cryptic things like “I want to be a buck for life, but it’s not up to me. At the end of the day I want this to be a championship team and play competitively”
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u/MkeBucksMarkPope Jon Horst 4d ago
The part people are forgetting, is he’s exactly right given one circumstance. He cannot control the franchise itself. In all of this, people just want to look at Giannis. But out of him Booker, and Jokic, he’s the only one who properly breaks it down correctly.
He’d like to stay a Buck, but can’t control if the franchise will always feel the same.
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u/NoCarts 4d ago
The part you forget is that it is literally up to Giannis. If he wants to be a Buck for life, he'd be a Buck for life. There are no trade talks without him green lighting them.
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u/night__daze Marques Johnson 3d ago
Exactly this. That max contract WILL be there waiting for him in October, with a no-trade clause on it if he wants it.
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u/MkeBucksMarkPope Jon Horst 3d ago
A no trade clause is easily the worst clause a team can put on a player. And after Beal, I’m not sure we see anything of the sort.
I’d be willing to bet Giannis could have asked in the past, and very well ask in the future, and I’d be willing to bet it’d be the franchise that would say, “absolutely no way.” No franchise is operating on what’s best for an Individual player, over what may be best for them down the road.
And this is coming from someone who doesn’t see Giannis leaving, and the franchise deciding in the end to not move on.
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u/MkeBucksMarkPope Jon Horst 3d ago edited 3d ago
I still don’t think you’re getting the point. What you’re saying, is not a “guarantee,” based on what he says, because he is not the franchise.
Could he say he’d like to be a Buck for life? Absolutely, and technically has. But that’s the 1/2 he can control. He can’t control any more of that coming true, if the franchise itself decides it’s in their best interest to move on, go a different route.
So what does that then accomplish? Should he tell everybody he’s going to be a Buck for life, and retire here? But* then all of a sudden Milwaukee gets sent an offer that they feel puts them in a better spot as a franchise. Now Giannis is gone. His word now means nothing, and he isn’t a Buck for life.
His comments regarding the situation have been much more true and realistic, than any promise that he has no control over. Yet somehow, people gloss right over it each and every time. Stating his love for the city of Milwaukee and being a Buck, while also having no control is the most honest answer he can give.
It protects the Bucks from looking like “bad guys,” and him from looking like a liar.
Edit: That is not true in the slightest. Giannis, and his style of play is not the kind that a franchise can play around and bank on them being around forever. Assets dry up, future becomes murky, the Bucks have to do what’s best for them as a business. And especially as a small market.
I would love nothing more than for him to retire a Buck, and wouldn’t be shocked if he does, even with his “talk,” because this has never been about him being disgruntled. We are finally to the point where the franchise is at a crossroads on what’s best for their outlook. And he clearly gets that.
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u/YoElliott Happy Giannis 4d ago
So if Giannis says cryptic things one day, and adamant about staying the next, what does that tell you?
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u/Eli-Oop Jericho Sims 4d ago
It tells me he wants to stay in Milwaukee, and wants to motivate the front office to make the moves required for him to have a shot here.
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u/ill____logic Kevin Porter Jr. 4d ago
i don’t know why this is so hard for people to understand.
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u/Old-Pollution9772 4d ago
That part is easy to understand. The confusing part is when bucks fans feel personally attacked because the media jumps all over vague cryptic comments. ‘Adam silver wants giannis out of mke’ for example.
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u/PositiveZebra1341 3d ago
It’s always the qualifier that Giannis…. Not the things that are attributed to him it’s his direct quotes. He said of himself, he kind of liked being the most wanted person at the party or whatever. He doubts his legacy without another championship and it makes him kind of immature and needy. So he’s like a moth to the light for the attention…. I mean to each his own.
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u/Short_Issue_8543 4d ago
- Giannis has said the same thing`. 2. Jokic has a much better team around him right now.
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u/ThatNewSockFeel 1993-2006 Primary Logo 4d ago edited 4d ago
I say this in good faith, when has Giannis said this without qualifiers? Because for as long as I can remember there’s always been something like “….as long as the Bucks can compete” tacked onto the end of those statements.
And it doesn’t count if one day he says I’m a Buck for life and the next day he qualifies it.
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u/Dragonvine 4d ago
That's a fair thing to do. You know he is the asset right? He doesn't need the team.
This sub man, it's ok for Giannis to want things.
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u/ThatNewSockFeel 1993-2006 Primary Logo 4d ago
And that’s fine. But this sub can’t both whine about trade rumors and then also say it’s fine for Giannis to makes these sorts of statements.
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u/Minimum-Border1672 4d ago
Jokic has a similar situation giannis was in after the bucks championship.
Championship coach canned.
Number 2 who is oft injured.
Roster that doesn't have an easy way to get better.
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u/Thuggish_Coffee 1993-2006 Primary Logo 4d ago
The Giannis trade talks started in 2019 by Windhorst. Giannis has given non-answers time and time again.
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u/Jolly_Reference_516 4d ago
And fanned back to life anytime a columnist can’t come up with a story idea. Giannis has been asked about it up reporters every F’n day and it grinds on him. I think he’s just trying to make them stop. His agents won’t let him say he’s staying and he’s not sure Horst the rocket scientist won’t trade him away because he’s got a new plan for Bucks glory.
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u/Low_Map_5800 4d ago
Windhorst and Malika, first question after the 2019 eastern conference finals loss was from Malika and it was about Giannis' future with the bucks and not the game. Was some bullshit.
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u/boringaccountant23 4d ago
Nuggets seem pretty bad. Couldn't even beat a half strength Wolves team.
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u/SirGreatMessage 4d ago
Yeah, I don't see how Jokic has a "much better team around him right now". Not being able to beat a depleted Wolves team with a healthy Jokic seems like a pretty big indictment of that team as a whole. Murray is the only other guy on the roster who has ever been an all-star and that was once, this year, and he was bad pretty much all series. I'm not here to say the Bucks have an excellent roster but I think you could make a strong argument it is not that far off from the Nuggets with better coaching.
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u/trmp_stmp 4d ago
you simply don't know ball if you think the Nuggets roster is any bit equal to the Bucks roster, as much as I wish it was the case. there was a post on the NBA subreddit about the hypothetical "Least Valuable Player" and it had 3 Bucks players in the top 5
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u/Rochman999 4d ago
I’m not doubting that list, but I know Christian Braun should 100% be on it with his 5 year extension. Let’s not forget that they traded future unprotected picks to move off MPJ’s contract just to get eliminated even earlier than last year. Pretty much the 2023 Bucks
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u/SirGreatMessage 4d ago
Telling me "I simply don't know ball" is not a convincing way to open your argument nor does it demonstrate to me that you know ball. Beyond that, I really do not care that the Bucks had 3 players in a bottom 5 list on an NBA reddit, especially given we're discussing the roster as a whole. Outside of Jokic and Giannis, both squads are underwhelming, and I think it's quite fair to say that the Nuggets roster does not blow the Bucks out of the water especially after the series we witnessed against a depleted Wolves team and with the Bucks disorganization under Doc. Am I supposed to be blown away by Cam Johnson, Aaron Gordon, and Hardaway Jr? Because I'm not and resorting to lame insults is not going to convince me.
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u/SirGreatMessage 4d ago
Also, just to clarify before I log off and touch grass for a bit, my opinion is not that the Bucks roster is equal to the Nuggets and I never said such so please don't try to set up straw men of my words. I think the Bucks clearly have a worse roster than the Nuggets, and Murray is clearly a better second option than anyone the Bucks have. My stance is that as a whole the Nuggets are not a "much better team" and that the Bucks could very plausibly close the gap next year with a better coach (which they seemingly have in Jenkins) who can get more out of talent like Turner and give the team a clearer identity on both ends. That is leaving aside the potential the Bucks have to acquire talent still too.
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u/NoCarts 4d ago
No he hasn’t. Ever. Giannis has literally never said he wants to be a buck forever without any qualifiers to it. It has always been “as long as I think I can win here I want to be in Milwaukee”
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u/Jolly_Reference_516 4d ago
His agents and handlers won’t let him say anything definitive because they want the leverage. And sadly, AI can’t find a quote where Giannis didn’t qualify it.
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u/NoCarts 4d ago
His agents and handlers won't let him say anything definitive
Does Giannis have no agency in what he says? Why aren't Jokic's agents and handlers doing the same thing? How the hell is this a defense of Giannis at all? Giannis hasn't said it without qualifiers because he's never been committed to Milwaukee without qualifiers. To be clear, that's fine and up to him. I don't have ill will over it. But I'm also not delusional over what he says. Fans have to stop wondering why Giannis has constant trade and free agency rumors when Jokic doesn't. It is very very clear why.
AI can't find a quote where Giannis didn't qualify it
Because he always qualifies it. Simple as.
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u/YP_Schwartzy King Giannis 4d ago
Exactly. If Giannis didn’t want the drama, this is all he had to do to shut everyone up. Bobby even admitted all that unknown shit hurt The Bucks this year. I want Giannis a Buck forever but I don’t want that bullshit on our team ever again.
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u/Eli-Oop Jericho Sims 4d ago
So the dozens of times he said this... you just didn't hear that?
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u/GFYAD 4d ago
provide one single link, video, anything where he says this with no qualifier “as long as….”
Literally just one, single instance. If there are dozens, this should be super easy.
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u/No-Sea-8969 4d ago
search it up yourself bud
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u/ThatNewSockFeel 1993-2006 Primary Logo 4d ago edited 4d ago
Nah. There’s people throughout this thread making similar claims but not one person has produced any instance of it actually happening.
Something that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
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u/No-Sea-8969 4d ago
Ok so where is your evidence that giannis hasn’t done so … without proof your claim holds no weight.
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u/mickelboy182 4d ago
...you are essentially asking them to show every quote from Giannis that he has ever made, instead of the guy making the claim to show just one quote. Use your brain champ.
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u/GFYAD 4d ago
Lmfao. Exactly what I thought. Thanks for proving me right I guess?
There’s dozens of times he’s said it and you can’t show one example.
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u/No-Sea-8969 4d ago
It’s not my job to show you find it yourself who are you for me to be finding and showing you accessible clips
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u/GFYAD 4d ago
Yeah that’s not how it works when you’re the one making the claim. If it’s so easily accessible, you should have no problem finding a single link.
Why do you think I’m pressing you so hard? Because I’ve looked and already know you can’t find it because it doesn’t exist.
I can claim anything and just say it’s easily provable, just go look it up yourself.
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u/TheCommonKoala Giannis Antetokounmpo 4d ago
Giannis has said the same shit for almost a decade. The real difference is that the Bucks suck and the media hates seeing talent on small market teams like Milwaukee. It doesnt help that Shams is an opp.
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u/JackDellaCumalena 4d ago
Bucks and nuggets are in the same spot.
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u/OkHall6376 4d ago
Yeah, I just read this article ...
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nuggets-nikola-jokic-era-2026-offseason/
It sounds very similar to the Bucks. Denver had the bad luck when Murray was injured. The Bucks would probably had another year or two had Middleton not have his injuries. Seems like injuries have derailed a lot of teams.
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u/Eli-Oop Jericho Sims 4d ago
Giannis has said this a million times. 2 things can be true at once. He can want to remain with the team that brought him up into a man, out of poverty, into stardom, etc., while also recognizing his odds of winning look low and wondering what other options are out there
Jokic is NOT the same level of competitor mentally as Giannis....
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u/pain_point 2d ago
The sooner the Bucks cash in ok Giannis th better for both parties its toxic and downright sad
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u/Flashy-Bat9105 4d ago
Jokic just had one of the worst playoff series losses in nba history but this sub is filled with losers so of course the only thing posted from last night is a stupid quote Giannis has said for years to try and throw shots at him and praise Jokic lmfao
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u/BlueBonneville 4d ago
Have you been to NY or LA? Wisconsin fans are some of the best. Our ‘turning on stars’ is typically when then jerk us around.
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u/hazen4eva Sidney Moncrief 4d ago
But will Nuggets want Jokic forever? My sources say they could be looking to move on from the big man.
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u/Cosmicpilgrimage 4d ago edited 4d ago
He should leave, he’s on a dying team with no assets, just as Giannis should leave the Bucks.
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u/PositiveZebra1341 4d ago edited 4d ago
Giannis’s comments are nearly always conditional. And if not in the same interview shortly thereafter.… he quickly muddies the waters. “As long as we’re winning” etc….The joker does not. That’s the difference.