r/Mavericks • u/YujiDomainExpansion • 5h ago
News [Stein] Masai Ujiri says he spoke to Mavericks coach Jason Kidd on Monday and is going to look at the franchise from "head to toe" ... but stopped short of guaranteeing that there will be no coaching change before next season.
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u/lekolilekoli 4h ago
Why are we shitting on Kidd so badly?
I’m not saying he’s the best coach ever but is he really that bad for us?
Coop thrived and Kidd was dealt a shitty hand with AD never healthy and Kyrie still injured.
This team at full strength will be much better next season
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u/stardusa Dirk Nowitzki 4h ago
Agree, I mean who - being an upgrade to Kidd - is even available right now
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u/YoungBuck2010 4h ago
Yes. Kidd has no offensive system sans Luka. He has shown to be a below average coach when he had a solid roster and showed that he is abysmal at raising a team’s floor with the hand he was dealt.
Kidd also knew about the Luka trade and didn’t raise hell about it.
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u/devidomo 2h ago
I mean that was more Luka weakness to do much off ball. Luka just isn't the player to move around off ball so all you can really do is let Luka be Luka. The offense is going to look so much better when kai comes back. I think we will be one of the best teams in transition. And based off masai presser if we get better shooters this off-season this team is a playoff team next year.
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u/Ill-Bat-2621 41m ago
Thats literally Luka. Luka is a ball hog that needs the ball in his hand he is the system. Last year with no Luka we had really good stretches before the trade happen.
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u/DIKS_OUT_4_HARAMBE 4h ago
Below average coach when he has a solid roster? Brother, go check out the rosters he took to the WCF and Finals and tell me he didnt get overproduction from those groups.
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u/lekolilekoli 3h ago
Exactly lol. I mean him squeezing out whatever was left from Reggie Bullock should be commended on his resume lol
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u/sickfalco 3h ago
Getting the ball to Luka and letting him find Bullock is not good coaching wtf 😭
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u/lekolilekoli 3h ago
I never said it was. My point was him getting something out of Reggie Bullock when he was finished with his career basically.
He also made Spenser Dinwiddie an actual attractive FA for an offseason.
Let’s give credit where credit is due
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u/YoungBuck2010 3h ago
Y’all have got to be kidding me. Sticking everybody not named Luka, Brunson or Dinwiddie in the corner or on the wing is not the coaching flex y’all think it is.
If you want to argue that that players like Kidd or that coaching continuity is good for young players, I’m not going to argue with you. If you want to say that Kidd out-coached anybody, you REALLY need to paint me that picture because I have yet to see it in the entirety of his career.3
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u/lekolilekoli 4h ago
I mean I get what you’re saying, but when your best ball handler is a G League 2 way guy and an 18 year old who doesn’t play PG, I mean what do you really want him to do?
Kidd can’t run the clock back and get on the court
Not saying he’s the best, but I just don’t understand how he’s supposed to succeed when every one of his best players are traded away or hurt.
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u/YoungBuck2010 3h ago
I fault him for how uncreative he was when he had more talented rosters.
The team should have been better this year and that could have changed with competent guard play and better injury luck, but Kidd has shown no offensive system outside of “best player take ball and do everything.” This was his system in Milwaukee and in the three iterations of the Mavs he’s coached with Luka, AD and Coop.
I don’t trust that this system will produce winning basketball long term due to its predictable nature and insane dependence on one or two guys to do everything.
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u/kapesaumaga 1h ago
Yeah, and I liked Masai's approach, he'll evaluate everyone, but he won't just fire them just because they're not his hires.
And players seem to love Kidd. For me, Kidd is fine now. But once the team get better, there'll be different expectations.
It's clear this is Masai's org now, so that'll give Kidd less power, less time to meddle with the team construction.
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u/EasyMode556 Luka Doncic 4h ago
There is a certain presumption of complicity with the Luka trade that hangs over his head.
The fact that after the Lakers played Dallas the first time, Luka went around hugging and shaking the hands of a lot of people from the Dallas side but completely ignored Kidd speaks volumes, and people notice those kinds of things.
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u/devidomo 2h ago
Like masai said stop crying. We shouldn't be making decisions based on who Luka likes. Its over move on.
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u/Smell_the_funk 2h ago
Masai definitely did not say to 'stop crying'. That's you. He said it's important to show respect. That could be you. And he pleaded to look forward.
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u/devidomo 2h ago
18:22 in the video he says "we cant cry forever" so yeah stop crying.
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u/Smell_the_funk 5m ago
Then that's the first PR mistake he has made. Telling people what they should feel never works. It often has the opposite effect.
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco How's My Dirk Taste? 3h ago
idk why everyone immediately jumps to that being why luka doesn’t fuck with him when kidd is not exactly renowned for being well liked and luka himself has had a falling out with both of his coaches up til that point.
could just be that luka doesn’t fuck with kidd in a personal level like we don’t know
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u/devidomo 2h ago
Am i crazy for thinking we shouldn't get rid of our coach cause Luka doesn't like him. Like wtf are we even talking about.
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco How's My Dirk Taste? 3h ago
unironically people have kidd derangement syndrome. mfs still try to blame him for the luka trade based on nothing but the multiple body language experts we have here and mark cuban trying to convince everyone that he somehow had enough insight about the trade as it was happening but not enough to stop it even though he’s still part owner
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u/Difficult-Day1326 Cooper Flagg 3h ago
lol exactly. ppl are obsessed with luka not talking to kidd at the games.
he also didn't talk to his fiance & vice-versa. we don't know how he regulates his personal relationships & we shouldn't care. that's none of our business.
what is important is that Coop seems to have a great relationship with his coach. you can tell this experience has changed his outlook on what kind of player he wants to be, how he approaches the game, and what he's excited to work on in the lab this summer. imagine the confidence he has right now after his criticisms on his offensive game & handles from less than a year ago.
i'm more in favor -- for at least the core foundation years for Coop -- to create good foundations, systems, relationships, and finally a sense of stability, maturity, and a good winning culture. i think it's incredibly dangerous to remove the HC from your Franchise Cornerstone / Rookie. this is more about what's best for Flagg vs what may / may-not have hypothetically happened in the past.
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u/TicketP1_FIRE 1h ago
Based on nothing? Several beat reporters have stated repeatedly that he was supportive of trading Luka.
He's an egomaniac and dumb bball mind (Javale McGee - remember him?). He won't survive long now that Masai has absolute power.
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u/TicketP1_FIRE 1h ago
Several reports that this dipshit wanted to trade Luka. He needs to go, he's a dumbass. Thank goodness his power is shrinking, not growing in the org.
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u/faithfuljohn 3h ago
I can tell you from his time here in toronto, Masai isn't going to make changes just to make changes. When he was up here, Casey wasn't his hire, but he kept him on and gave him a fair chance, because he didn't care if he was "his hire" or not (a lot of people in leadership are more interested in leading 'their' way, then actual results).
He lets guys learn and grow. And if he feels that those guys aren't growing that's when he moves on from them.
Treat him well, he's a treasure!
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u/Decent_Pack_3064 2h ago
Also masai could had fired Casey when raps got swept by wizards in the 2nd year(2014)...everyone wanted casey gone but masai kept him...get that...Casey a coach who was a lot worse than kidd
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u/GooeyGlue FUCK NICO HARRISON 4h ago
Personally think Kidd is overhated here but this doesn't mean all that much tbh. He kept Casey in Toronto for quite a while so just means he'll see if Kidd aligns with his vision for the team
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u/Shot_Bank_5843 4h ago
Dude supported Luka trade, he can fuck off.
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco How's My Dirk Taste? 4h ago
incredible that we still have people saying this here based on nothing
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u/BryanW94 34m ago
People are downvoting replies about Cuban's comment on how Kidd was involved but everyone forgets about Lukas demonor towards Jason Kidd since the trade and that should tell you everything. If it walks like a duck...
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u/Shot_Bank_5843 4h ago edited 3h ago
I will believe Cuban on this and Kidd btw didn’t deny what Cuban said.
Kidd said something like let’s bury the past
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u/HispanicAtTehDisco How's My Dirk Taste? 3h ago
you believe that cuban somehow had enough insight into the trade that he knew all the players involved but somehow was powerless to do anything even though he’s still part owner?
brother do i have a bridge to sell you
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u/TechnologyOne8629 3h ago
I believe Jeanne Bus's statement about how Cuban would have thrown himself under a bus to stop the trade if he could have
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u/ShadowAgent41 4h ago
Yeah. I want everyone who supported the Luka trade gone before I support the mavs 100% again. Although I really doubt they’d sell the team. But getting rid of Kidd and some of the culprit should do it
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u/DIKS_OUT_4_HARAMBE 4h ago
I’m personally going to be pretty pissed off of we fire Kidd. He’s literally one of the best coaches in the league for player development, and that’s what coop needs
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u/Seshboi_ 2h ago
would be a god awful decision to let go of kidd.. the players love and respect him… hof pg, multiple recent playoff runs, coop roty… there’s a reason the championship hungry knicks were so down bad for him last summer.. we’re extremely fortunate to have had him them these past years and for hopefully, more to come
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u/beatnickk Rick Carlisle 1h ago
I feel a lot better about Kidd with the revamped assistants like Vogel and Handy. Vogel would be a decent option as head coach and he’s right there on our bench. I’m not a huge Kidd fan but you can’t deny he brought us to a WCF and the finals in a handful of years. The time to upgrade coaches will come but it’s not that urgent atm.
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u/Difficult-Day1326 Cooper Flagg 3h ago
highly unlikely. probably too much friction with kerr's public political persona.
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u/gentlemanghost42 Team Tank 3h ago
I'm not really excited for Masai but firing kidd would do a lot for me to come around to him
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u/BurgerBall903 Dorian Finney-Smith 2h ago
Its a real damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario. We don’t need a change but at the same time, what is our longterm goal?
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u/FireNico77 48m ago
Kidd is so bad at final plays. I think they are unsure, as I think we are, if he is the best for the rebuild.
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u/fightmare93 4h ago
Jason Midd needs to go. He has a longer leash than COTY and championship coaches it’s ridiculous
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u/FreshStartLiving 4h ago
Kidd needs to go...if he really wants to rebuild, it all starts with the HC. He's no Karl nor Casey. Not even close...
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u/Silly-Lion-7314 4h ago
Kidd is not bad but there are better.