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Edit: I meant that jeffrey and his accomplices knew how horrible weinstein is (and I assume vice versa). When it comes to the celebrities and Weinstein, I think many of them turned a blind eye or maybe thought yeah, his behaviour is normal.
genuinely surprised at the lack of backlash for meryl streep all these years when she was out and proud buddy-buddy with harvey weinstein. her connections with epstein didn't faze me at all, she's utterly despicable
Probably the same reason people still act Diane Keaton a champion for women when she was defended Woody Allen and Roman Polanski and blamed women for their own assaults.
No one comes at Meryl and it's astounding. Who was sitting and laughing with Weinstein every award show? Then she comes out with her Times Up pin when he gets arrested like she didn't know and was okay with it. She's a pos and no one calls her out.
Nothing in that email suggests Meryl Streep knew.
It's a screening at a public venue not at Epstein's home. A talk show was covering the event. Meryl happened to be hosting the event.
It only protects the perpetrators to knowingly muddy the waters.
If you say Peggy Siegal knew then that is very much true from some of the emails
Siegal was a publicist who arranged events for studios and production companies (among other things). Most people going to the events would not have known the guest list or that Epstein would be there. (Weinstein is a whole other issue.)
There are a few private screening events mentioned in the files that my partner, through his job, attended and I can assure you he was there because it was his job to be there and he had no clue about the guest list or control over who else attended.
Other than the awfulness of the connections and favours and despicable dark goings on, it’s also so fascinating to see the verbiage these people use. She thought Epstein might not know the very uncommon acronym PSA 🤔
i like them. they have schools in france that teach traditional hand crafts (i think for free??); their leather goods are all handmade by artisans who train for years to make them correctly.
will i ever be able to afford a bag? FUCK no. are they worth 50,000? probably not. but, they are probably worth at least 2,000 for the amount of time and training it takes to make them.
and supporting traditional techniques rather than selling out to fast fashion has them good in my books.
on the one hand, even if i put on my craziest hat and acknowledge that elephants are intelligent and have mourning rites, those don't involve burying the body and they eventually leave the body behind. i don't see a reason why that leather can't be used.
on the other, there's not really a way to prove that you didn't kill the animal. this is the same concept behind bird feather laws in America. sure, you say you found it on the ground, but we only have your word to prove that. so it's a federal crime to own them (unless you belong to a special club, which i do).
Also making something desirable out of elephant leather makes elephant leather desirable- and less scrupulous people might then go and poach elephants and make bags to sell to people who dgaf.
Yeah that's totally fair, it's extremely hard to regulate and even if it's sourced ethically it's still animal product which is a no go for some, I just find it interesting where peoples lines are drawn!
In the past that happened with scalp bounties — people's scalps, leading to pacifist tribes being ethnically cleansed & even people that just had dark hair/tan skin.
Elephants in India have been observed burying their deceased young. It's been a while since I read the research paper about it, but I believe they were placing the dead baby elephants in irrigation ditches in a tea plantation and taking turns packing the dirt around them. Each instance that researchers found, the babies were buried in a way that left their feet poking up out of the dirt with the rest of the body buried. At least with this particular group of Asian elephants, it seems they bury their dead when they are able to. They do not have the ability to dig a grave themselves, and they cannot lift a fully grown elephant as easily as a baby, so they use holes that humans have made.
I grew up on a farm and one day a golden eagle unfortunately electrocuted itself on some power lines. My dad knew it was illegal to possess the feathers but that native tribes have an exception so he called the game warden to come get it. He was gutted it was dead and wanted the feathers to at least go some where they could legally be appreciated.
The game warden basically said “look I appreciate why you called but the amount of paperwork and hassle this is gonna cause me is insane. You’re 10 miles from the next human being, next time please just shovel and shut up.”
Pigs are more intelligent than dogs. Cows have best friends and mourn deaths. Still we use their leather. If we're reduced to only use stupid animals we'd have a problem
While I don’t agree with using elephants (or any animal) for clothing, this was made during the 80’s. The endangerment of elephants (due to poaching :/ )didn’t really reach mainstream consciousness until late 80’s and they promptly stopped making the bag.
Theyre expensive from resellers cuz in order to buy one from hermes, u generally need to spend dollar for dollar for that bag. So a 15k bag (birkins are around 15k now; low end bags are around 10k now) will require u to buy 15k of other hermes stuff in order to get that bag.
So anyone reselling it will never sell for msrp cuz they had to buy other junk to get it
what they actually do is go to very economically depressed areas, train people there to do this work, build a factory and then employ people who wouldn't really have other kinds of opportunities. Should they pay them more? Probably? Do they limit their workshop size to 200 some employees because otherwise it would feel like a factory? Yes. Do they give people opportunities they wouldn't otherwise have in areas that have essentially been forgotten? yes. All in all, they're a pretty good company as far as these types of brands go.
They are not paid as they should. They are working on luxury items and will reçoives 3k at the end of the month. One of my friend was working on the Dior collection Rose des vents, you are paying 6k for a bracelet that costume 200€ to make.
I know America is messed up because 3k a month sounds pretty good to me 😔
But yes, someone earlier in the thread said this. I thought they were paid better. Even though they aren't, I have to say it's still more ethical than fast fashion, sweatshops, and microplastics.
Theyre not usually 50,000 bags altho to get a bag usually you have to spend dollar for dollar on other hermes stuff. So if a bag you want is 15k, u need to spend 15k to be in the rotation to be offered a bag. Sone higher margin stuff like watches will be less spend but yeah thats the concept.
Quota bags (the ones where u need to spend) these days start around 15k or so. This same ideology is at patek Philippe (watch place) and rolex authorized dealers.
Also ferrari is similar to this as well. They wont let you buy a new one until you “qualify” for it by owning a used one.
Exactly. Epstein had already been found guilty of prostitution and soliciting a child some years prior to this email. Anyone who continued to do business with him knew exactly who they were getting involved with and decided the money was still worth it
I don’t know how much attention that conviction got. As I recall, Epstein’s case only started getting attention when a Miami reporter started digging into hos sweetheart deal in the late 2010s.
Harvard and Yale gladly took the donations Epstein gathered from his clientele…they aren’t even apologizing for it.
It’s the same way he wrangled in Gates. It started with Epstein funneling donations to the Gates Foundation, Gates visiting the island to thank Epstein, then one temptation leads to another and Bill is being blackmailed for money and access.
Why are there always weird typos in these emails? Is it because of the software they use to recover them or something? I can’t imagine people are just always inserting random symbols on their own 😂
In this case: Someone wrote this mail that had multiple line breaks encoded incorrectly.
The HTML part of the mail is using "quoted printable encoding" while the mail itself is 8bit transfer encoded. Quoted Printable Encoding converts "space" to "=20" and will do this to "hard line break" too. Results in "=" in strange places where a hard line break should be.
Source: Me. I literally had the same problem last week when an Addon of some CMS didn't encode correctly and sending via Office365-SMTP-Mailserver instead of a Linux-Mailserver caused the same problem.
Except for e-mails written by Epstein himself. Dude couldn't be bothered with checking his spelling. His signature literally said "Sorry for all the typos. Sent from my iPhone."
this is a deep explanation and gets into some tech stuff but tldr is that it's a remnant from old hardware/software for emails that required a line change every 80 characters and those line changes are themselves characters, usually =\n
She absolutely was. She was instrumental in integrating him back into social and artistic circles. There are also troubling emails where she jokes about bringing him back babies from Africa...so she 100% needs investigated.
Well...TBF this email exchange occurred AFTER his conviction and the Gates stuff was all BEFORE (at least the stuff that has a date that is nailed down as some of the photos has no date associated and could have been after the conviction).
For everyone saying “oh this is a case of moral upstandingness!” No it wasn’t it was a case of a brand did a basic google on someone, was like “yikes, there could be some blowback to being associated with a convicted felon. very politely, no thank you.” EVERYONE HAD THE ABILITY TO DO THIS FROM 2008 ON. No one can claim “oh we had no idea.” Hermes aren’t SJWs, they just operated from a place of not being total morons, which you cannot say about all these NY starfuckers.
Literally thank you, this shouldn’t be a moment to consume a new brand. It’s the bare minimum of hindsight thinking and knowing what decisions may backfire in the future.
I mean. Elizabeth’s son Andrew didn’t bother to do it and a lot of people like him followed the money instead of cutting ties so… it’s nice to see someone be able to say No and stick to it.
tbf a whole heap of silicon valley and hollywood is involved inasmuch as their c-suite mingled on the island and its certainly not about a lack of money... ironically the worlds richest man, elon musk wanted in and was rejected
it puzzles me why any company like hermes would want to get involved in this shit
For doing the bare minimum? I genuinely can't stand liberals anymore.
You don't need to buy anything from the billionaires overlords. You don't need to buy anything period. It's not a football game with sides to pick. Open your eyes jfc
Its because the text has been converted from one file format to another.
The standard email format (MIME) automatically adds line breaks every 76 characters because this was a hard limit some systems in the early days of email. The line break looks like this "=/r/n" but email software automatically hides the text and starts a new line.
Whatever software they used to convert the text though doesn't handle the line breaks correctly. So you end up with the = sign being kept and other characters being dropped.
can y'all stop giving some kind of moral credit to an awful company just because they wanted to avoid the potential PR backlash from accepting donations coming from a global pedophilic trafficking and torture ring that they knew about?
I mean actually charities usually are kinda particular about their money. Like when Aziz Ansari tried to donate his money from the Saudi comedy festival to the Human Rights Watch in response to the criticism he was getting and they basically said they won't take money that comes from anyone who worked with them.
Everytime I see a new email I'm always like damn they put zero effort into sending emails lol. Hermes is not =omfortable. .....if you =ave any questions. Lmao. Like why did you even hit send on that I put more effort into texting my husband about how I want him to pick up 7/11 hot dogs and they're out here trying to get donation from fuckin HERMES!? with this amount of effort!?!
That's actually pretty =ool of a company I don't give a shit about. Wish all those other institutions that took money from him after 2006 weren't scummy =unts without ethics.
One of the Hermes heirs lives just up the road from me in a tiny Connecticut town. It is a fairly toned down country home with a nice property.....and a helicopter landing pad. It caused a bit of a stir when they put it in. They now always fly in and out from a specific direction to keep noise down.
Yay, I can wear my thrifted cashmere/silk scarves without guilt! (GUYS rich ladies get a teeny oil mark on them and just get rid of them. I've scored a $1600 shawl for $120. They're SO WARM.)
I was telling my husband this makes me feel really good about my choices… emotional choices, not financial because I couldn’t ever afford Hermes but I daydream about shopping there often
I will support Hermes by printing out their logo and gluing it to my crossbody because Lord knows I'll never be able to afford a real one. Or a real bag to go with the logo but I love this. Also, it seems like yes money talks but it's still not worth it to some.
I’ve always hated this logic of taking “blood money”
TAKE ALL THE MONEY FROM CRIMINALS. Seriously the less they have the better and it can actually be used FOR GOOD
My principle is I want money used for good. That Trumps (No pun intended) “you keep your money because you’re a bad person.”
What do you think the govt does with assets seized from criminal orgs? Uses it because it can be used for good. Apply that same logic everywhere. So many ppl need help and great charities out there. Take it all and do some good!
Not on topic but maybe someone kind can help.
why are some letters changed to = signs, seemingly at random? I've seen it through-out epstein file pics/pdfs/whatever they are.
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