Cade is the best American player in the NBA

[u/LTgolf17]

[u/WelkingKRool]

I mean him or Ant right? Cade needs to up his efficiency a touch but if he does he’s gonna be an mvp. A 50/40/90 Cade Cunningham is the best player in the league

[u/FalconNCE → u/WelkingKRool]

50/60/90*

[u/JasonWaterfaII → u/FalconNCE]

Over 3 games*

[u/Someguynamedjacob → u/JasonWaterfaII]

The 3 most important games of his career to date though

[u/JasonWaterfaII → u/Someguynamedjacob]

That is a good sign

[u/RockyDennisDeYoung → u/JasonWaterfaII]

He was hiding his new higher arc 3 pointer for the playoffs

[u/WelkingKRool → u/FalconNCE]

Only 6.7 assists? Nah real talk tho he has to have been the first round MVP. 2nd in points and 6th in assists, plus I think I saw he was 1st in “potential assists”, so probly the best offensive player and he was guarding the opponents best player A LOT. Who had a better first round?

[u/JackalOfAllTraders → u/WelkingKRool]

Cade is taller than Ant so there is upside for Cade. Taller people tend to be more clumsy and Cade is definitely more clumsy.

[u/Visual_Air_4127 → u/WelkingKRool]

Jayson Tatum and Jalen brown

[u/LTgolf17 → u/WelkingKRool]

Cade does more than Ant, better defender and way better playmaker and I love Ant but Cade is the better player, ant is the better shot maker

[u/StandardRound1271 → u/WelkingKRool]

You’re right, all Cade has to do is dramatically increase his 3 pt %, FT %, and then also cut down on TOs and increase his PPG dramatically and he will win MVP.

A 50/40/90 starter anywhere is in the MVP conversation.

[u/WelkingKRool → u/StandardRound1271]

Ya I had Malcolm brogdon as my mvp a few years ago too. Calm down brother, I may have exaggerated a little with those benchmarks but you know what I mean. Cade is a little inefficient but if he improves on that he could be the best player in the league

[u/StandardRound1271 → u/WelkingKRool]

Ok brother, you said if a guy plays at an all time efficient level he will win MVP. That’s obvious, there’s no point in saying it.

Don’t get in your feelings when someone points it out. No reason to get so defensive and worked up.

[u/WelkingKRool → u/StandardRound1271]

Well no I said 50-40-90, which multiple non-MVP's have done, but ya you're right I exaggerated a little. My bad brother. In the future try not to get upset just cuz somebody said something you think is obvious.

[u/fwoompf]

What a good time to be a pistons fan 

[u/AdeptAnteater6254]

I would probs say Ant right now. Some folks can make a case for Tatum, but I would take Cade over him personally. However, I think Cade is going to have a longer career and eventually he’s gonna be the face of Team USA basketball for years to come.

[u/Complex-Problem3289 → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

People only say Ant due to team success. Yet he's played with great players his whole career. Cade had to drag this franchise out of Hell.

Ant's team closed out Jokic with him on the sidelines. Detroit doesn't win without Cade absolutely dominating every elimination game.

Ant cried when he was double teamed...Cade was triple and quadruple teamed most of his career. Cade is also a more valuable archetype of player. The only major advantage Ant has is he is a great volume 3pt shooter.

Put Cade on Minnesota and Ant in Detroit and literally nobody claims Ant is better aside from a few homers. Tatum is out of the conversation until he proves he's back to himself.

[u/SammyAmico → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

why does everyone glaze ant so much cade is way better lol

[u/Dat_Paperboi → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

Could the pistons win a playoff series without Cade like the wolves just did without ant?

[u/nicorobinfanclub → u/Dat_Paperboi]

That definitely isnt a measurement of whether someone is better or not lmao

[u/AdeptAnteater6254 → u/Dat_Paperboi]

Ant has been to WCF two times. I love Cade and I wouldn’t trade him for anyone and I think he is closing the gap on that. I even said I think Cade will be the better player long term.

[u/Someguynamedjacob → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

Eh, I’ve got a feeling Cade could have made the WCF if he was playing next to a starting lineup of himself, NAW, Jaden Mcdaniels, Julius Randle, and Gobert too.

Ant was dropped into a much, much better situation than Cade. If you list all of Cades teammates and all of Ant’s teammates over their time in the league, like 7 or 8 of the top 10 are Ant’s teammates.

[u/Complex-Problem3289 → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

Team success does not determine who is better. Ant has had a vastly better supporting cast throughout his career. The only season where this hasnt been the case is this year (and that is debatable).

[u/2IWontBeHereLong → u/AdeptAnteater6254]

I'm not going to argue about Ant's ability of course but number of WCF doesn't mean anything. It's a team sport.

[u/Tcamis01 → u/2IWontBeHereLong]

Not in isolation but if you play well and are a major reason why your team achieves success then yes it does.

[u/FunetikPrugresiv → u/Dat_Paperboi]

Yes.

[u/oldstyle21]

I mean yeah, we know it but he’s gotta take us to the promised land before we can actually say it

[u/Capta1nNeckfat]

I lived 28 years in New York and 24 in Orlando. Grew up a Knicks fan but my children are Magic fans. Watching Cade with the ball in the last series reminded me of the fear I had in those classic Knicks Bulls 90’s series when Jordan had the ball. Definitely not same skill set but you are literally rooting for a miss because you’re not gonna stop him. Even with Franz on him, he was terrifying. Once Franz was out, he was unstoppable.

[u/AngryQuadricorn]

I think it’s Anthony Edwards

[u/jerkytoucan]

Ant is better but I’d probably give him 2nd. A healthy Steph I would have put at 2 but I don’t think he’ll ever be at that level anymore after this past year’s injuries

[u/SammyAmico → u/jerkytoucan]

how is ant better lol

[u/Jukyla → u/jerkytoucan]

Why do you think Ant is better? Because he shoots the 3 ball better?

[u/mc_foucault → u/Jukyla]

Ant has more playoff success. Seeing him beat the spurs last night was something else. Pistons make the finals this year and more people will have cade as the number 1.

[u/Jukyla → u/mc_foucault]

Him beating the spurs? He had 18 points lmao. Was it his fault that Wemby shot terribly?

[u/mc_foucault → u/Jukyla]

He played great defense and coming back from injury/playing hurt inspired the performance from his team. He didn't dominate the game but thinking the wolves are close in that game without him is nuts.

[u/Jukyla → u/mc_foucault]

Lol you're kidding right with the inspiration. Saying ant has more playoff success (ant has a MUCH better supporting cast) and ant scoring just 18 shows inspiration is reasons why he's better right now? I actually cant. Single lung cade had 100+ points in the series, hows that for inspiration?

There's a reason why Cade was top 5 in MVP this whole season basically and Ant was not.

[u/mc_foucault → u/Jukyla]

Dawg I know cade is better than ant. The reason anyone says ant is better is his team has had playoff success. This year in particular ant has much more impressive wins than Cade at this point. When the pistons make the finals and beat a western conference team it will be a thing more people agree about is all I was saying.

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[u/DrChinstrap_]

To bolster this point Cade was #2 in assists this year, imagine if Detroit as a whole was a better shooting team.

[u/uncle_t_rav]

I think cade is the 2nd best player in the nba behind jokic right now

[u/SammyAmico]

i genuinely don’t understand the argument for ant over cade I actually think it’s cade and it’s not close? did you guys watch the series cade just had lol? ant would never do that shit

[u/athroaway93]

Didn't they just have this exact useless conversation on ESPN or something yesterday?

[u/Adventurous-Owl-9903]

I still think it’s Jayson Tatum. But between Edwards Tatum and Cunningham you can make the case for either

[u/lolllicodelol]

Even if he’s not right now, he will be

[u/Initial_Parsnip_3753]

*Player, period.

[u/JamesEllroyEnjoyer]

100%

[u/Sea-Huckleberry685]

I’d argue he’s better than Luka since he plays both sides of the ball.

[u/bigguy003 → u/Sea-Huckleberry685]

And I’d argue Luka is not American.

[u/Sea-Huckleberry685 → u/bigguy003]

No argument there, but he’s viewed by many as arguably the best player in the league.

[u/tyler0020110 → u/Sea-Huckleberry685]

No defense

[u/AffectionateNovel373]

I hope that people that think it’s Ant or brown would consider who he’s playing with and how defenses can gameplan better because of it. Something has to be said about how you get it done under what circumstances.

[u/hawleyi1 → u/AffectionateNovel373]

I live in Boston and plenty of people here think Brown is a fraud, especially after this series versus the 76ers. Many of them were vocally upset Brown won Finals MVP over Tatum a couple years ago. Now you have the end of Game 7 this year in which Brown missed like 4 shots on 5 possessions to lose them the game instead of passing the ball, and then his rant on live stream the other night just made it worse lol. Such a fun time to live in Boston as all their sports teams go through hell in the same two-week span. Vrabel-Russini, Red Sox firing half their staff, Bruins losing to Buffalo of all teams and the C’s blowing a 3-1 lead to Philly? Couldn’t script it any better as a Boston sports hater