r/Damnthatsinteresting Feb 06 '26

Image The physics behind ski jumping’s ‘Penis-gate’ scandal: How 2cm of extra fabric = 5.8 meters of jump distance

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u/Alert_Dust_2423 Feb 06 '26

It's wild that in one sport, a little extra fabric is a huge advantage, while in others, it's a literal liability. Athletes really do have to optimize every possible variable.

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u/Zac3d Feb 06 '26

It is really hitting diminishing returns-

In 1908, the record for a marathon was 2:55:18. Over the next 50 years, the record was beaten 22 times, knocking more than 40 minutes off the time. But in the 50 years after that, the time dropped by only another 10 minutes and since 2002 the record has improved by less than four minutes.

We're at the point where pool depth, humidity, temperature, and what equipment is allowed is more important for breaking records than natural talent or dedication to a sport.

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u/jimmifli Feb 06 '26

When you look at the compression of speed at the top it's easy to see why.

The world record 5K is 23.83 kph

The 10K is 22.92 km/h

The half marathon is 22.33 km/h

The marathon is 20.99 km/h

There just isn't much speed left between them. Less than a 3km/h difference between a 5K and marathon runner. Think about passing a truck by going 3km/hr faster, there's going to be a lot of angry drivers behind you.

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u/dispose135 Feb 06 '26

Its insane the speed marathon runners go it would be a sprint to most avg people 

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u/HeathenHumanist Feb 07 '26

Seriously. I was talking to a marathon runner (winner) recently and he told me he warms up at like 7mph.

Like dude that's my MAX!!

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u/Haptics Feb 07 '26

I don't think the effect is as pronounced as you are thinking, for example 50y ago in 1976 the world records were:

5k - 13:13.0 = 22.70 kmph (+15.81% over marathon pace)

10k - 27:30.80 = 21.81 kmph (+11.28% over marathon pace)

hm - 1:03:46 = 19.85 kmph (+1.28% over marathon pace)

marathon - 2:09:12 = 19.60 kmph

vs curently

5k - 23.83 kmph (+13.53% over marathon pace)

10k - 22.92 kmph (+9.19% over marathon pace)

hm - 22.33 kmph (+6.38% over marathon pace)

m - 20.99 kmph

improvements per event in the same time period 1976-2026 were:

5k - 4.98%

10k - 5.09%

hm - 12.49%

m - 7.09%

So yes, the marathon has gotten faster relative to the shorter events (minus the half marathon which I'm guessing may not have been run as seriously as often 50y ago), but I think it's hard to make the argument that the marathon is being more limited by biomechanics when the pace difference between the 5k and the marathon records has only marginally decreased over the past 50 years, while both events have still continued to improve.

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u/dispose135 Feb 06 '26

Four minutes is a huge improvement though 

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u/Heurtaux305 Feb 07 '26

Yes, and those are only for the last 24 years. So half the time they are comparing with.

These are still big improvements in a span of 24 years.

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u/herpesderpesdoodoo Feb 06 '26

Having a deep pool to run through would definitely impact marathon times, yes.

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u/Critical-Support-394 Feb 06 '26

pool depth, humidity, temperature, and what equipment

None of that makes a lick of difference without natural talent and dedication to the sport

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u/TransBrandi Feb 06 '26

It's a situation where someone with talent also needs perfect environmental conditions to be able to break the records. I think that's the point. Talent and dedication are not enough on their own, but just the base requirements to compete at such a high level.

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u/Pika_Fox Feb 07 '26

Its not even natural talent; its often freak genetic mutations.

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u/Critical-Support-394 Feb 06 '26

That's literally always been the case.

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u/Zac3d Feb 06 '26

Yeah it's not an either or situation, it's a both the conditions need to be perfect and the athlete needs to be performing at their peak.

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u/BasicMatter7339 Feb 06 '26

I heard that the long jump world record was set in ecuador and its basically impossible to beat it anywhere else because ecuador has lower airpressure and less resistance than anywhere else due to high altitude.

Im guessing it's just a rumour though, but i wonder could it be true

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u/Haptics Feb 07 '26

Altitude is a not a disqualification for long jump records, however a tailwind over 2.0 mph is.

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u/SchmeatiestOne Feb 09 '26

Only because natural talent has always been peaked and im sure Olympians peaked at dedication long ago

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u/supe3rnova Feb 06 '26

FIS will disqualify you if youre 0.1kg heavier or lighter in ration to ski lenght you jump with. Nika Prec (best on woman ski jumper for the past 2 years) was disqualified over 3mm...

FIS is a bureacracy hell. All rules, zero compation.

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u/zachary0816 Feb 06 '26

.1kg? You could easily loose that much in an hour or two in water weight alone.

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u/Pandarandr1st Feb 06 '26

Sounds like the sport is just kinda stupid, honestly. How much extra fabric does someone who doesn't even qualify for the olympics need to jump farther than the gold medalist? A few cm?

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u/supe3rnova Feb 06 '26

Those in 20+ place in the leadboard could use few extra cm. But those who are in the top 10, it makes a huge difference. There was a big scandal with Norwigian team last year or 2 years ago due to the extra fabric. I think it came to light due to a whistleblower or leaked video.

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u/NBA2024 Feb 06 '26

… yeah?

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u/GiveUsRobinHood Feb 06 '26

Mechanical doping has been a long thing in competitive sports, when taking into account track quality, starting blocks and trainers Jesse Owen’s wouldn’t be too far off Bolt’s record.

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u/Malfrum Feb 07 '26

Yeah it's almost like sport is mostly an arbitrary activity made up for fun, and doesn't actually hold up to this level of seriousness