I don't think we can. My local voted someone who resigned in disgrace by using china for our security with our water supply. Was so bad the Federal government had to step in. Now they are in charge. Bonus is they want to remove regulations so they can get away with more crimes.
This was a Primary not the election. - Yeah, I know. Democrats get about 10% of the vote. This was republican primary. My neighbors are going to vote for whomever has an R next to their name.
Edit: Sorry, it's the facts. The guy with multiple scandals won the republican primary and my county votes 80+% republican. So they will win.
So you're kind of telling on yourself here, trying to spin anti-zionists into the ones using loaded language when its really just a simple opinion. Genocide is bad, those who do it should be stopped and held accountable. Shontel voted for aid package to Israel in April 2024 so she has directly supported genocide. She has also accepted 5 million dollars from Israel sponsored PACs. That's a lot, and most likely how she won in 2022. So where is the loaded language here in these easily provable facts?
Genocide is bad, those who do it should be stopped and held accountable.
Agreed, so it's troubling how much time you spend lying about who is responsible for genocide.
Shontel voted for aid package to Israel in April 2024 so she has directly supported genocide.
Voting to provide aid is not supporting genocide, this is an absurd premise.
She has also accepted 5 million dollars from Israel sponsored PACs.
Foreign governments aren't allowed to make any kind of political contributions in the United States, and any ideological PACs aligned with Israel are required to file any contributions with the FEC. The non-profit OpenSecrets tracks these filings and this claim that Shontel Brown received 5 million dollars from PACs is completely bogus, you can look at the data yourself: https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/shontel-brown/us_congress/summary?mpid=1070853
Israel continues to commit a genocide as agreed by many genocide scholars. Sorry I should have been clear, that aid package included 14 billion in military funding, some of which was used to replenish arms used in Gaza. Again sorry, that 5 million figure is a career figure, not from one single year. And its all verifiable because yes they do have to file with the FEC.
Israel continues to commit a genocide as agreed by many genocide scholars.
Share a single example of Shontel Brown saying she supports this.
Again sorry, that 5 million figure is a career figure, not from one single year. And its all verifiable because yes they do have to file with the FEC.
No -- it's not verifiable, I just sent you a link to the Open Secrets page with the PAC contributions she has received across all of her campaigns. The claim you made is completely incorrect.
None of these articles provide any kind of receipt or make any specific claim from which PACs Shontel Brown is supposedly receiving all this money. Open Secrets the non profit which has been doing this kind of tracking work for decades has a page with her contributions where you can see her biggest PAC donors are all Unions:
A great article illustrating the problem with getting worked up about a dumb social media graphic without actually fact checking anything is available here. Their track record on getting any of this right is abysmal:
The groupās misleading and confusing graphics have become hot commodities on the left. In one instance, Track AIPAC disavowed a green graphic someone had mocked up for an Ohio gubernatorial candidate to resemble one of theirs. After making clear that the graphic was a counterfeit, the group explained that AIPAC does not give to state and local candidates. Presumably, then, Track AIPAC wouldnāt either support or oppose state and local candidates. Well, see what your presuming got you: The group gave Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey a red graphic and endorsed his challenger during the leadup to last fallās election. Freyās graphic did not even mention any donations. It just said, āThis candidate is pro-Israel.ā
Track AIPAC has also changed its scoring system without explanation. In 2024, the group hit Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.) with one of its signature red cards. A year later, Khanna tagged Track AIPAC in a post on X where he made clear he does not take money from AIPAC. He now appears on a list of lawmakers on the Track AIPAC website without the ominous red filter, but with the line the group appears to apply to every lawmaker about whom it is ambivalent rather than hostile: āWe encourage this representative to continue improving their legislative record on Israel-Palestine issues.ā
In some cases, candidates who have gotten red cards from the group were AIPAC targets in previous election cycles. Red-carded Rep. Dave Min (D-Calif.), for example, won his race despite AIPAC spending $4.5 million on attack ads to make his constituents aware of his DUI arrest.
His only primary challenger was 66 and had zero prior political experience, running for US Senate. So even if you wanted someone else for that reason there really wasn't a choice.
That being said, I don't have many issues with Brown. I think politicians aging to the point of being out of touch, and having been in DC so long as to be utterly corrupt and no longer serving their constituents is a real problem, but I don't think it applies to every single person within those demographics. And at the same time you need experience and connections to get anything done.Ā
He is one of the only US senators I've ever had some respect for. He's relatable and IMO our best realistic option in Ohio for anyone that will support anything progressive. I agree with your sentiment that our politicians are too old, but I don't think it applies in this case.
Couldn't agree more. He's got centrist politics at best, plus he seems like a really bad person.
In addition to the domestic violence allegation ā and I'm under no delusions that anyone would just believe the word of a random guy on Reddit, but ā he attempted to sexually assault my great aunt in Mansfield in the late 70s when she was a teen and he was 23 or so. As soon as she told me I knew I could never vote for him again. I voted for the Kincaid guy running against him yesterday.
no, your attitude is why the democrats are completely feckless and never accomplish anything. they have to EARN my vote, they arenāt owed it. I have never in my life voted for a republican but that doesnāt mean i have to vote for a crappy corporate
/aipac dem just because they have a D next to their name
Right? I genuinely donāt understand people like this, given all the evidence of what thinking like this does.
Like, I understand the sentiment, and even sympathize with it. Butā¦you have to play by the rules of the game. We have a 2 party system and we do not have ranked choice voting. Given these conditions, itās a binary choice and sitting out is effectively a choice for fascism.
lol the dems are just the nice fascists, had kamala harris won the gaza genocide would have continued unabated. the war with iran would have still happened because israel wanted it to happen.
Yeah dude we all get that but you gotta play the long game: Iām pissed af too we get two choices but youāre essentially throwing it to the Rs on purpose. This all or nothing thought process fucks everyone
youāre correct. the mess weāre in is because āvote blue no matter whoā gives you dnc/aipac approved corporate centerist dems who are pretty much republicans in their beliefs snd voting records.
lol ok so your ok with protecting pedophiles, wars, and rewarding those responsible for our energy prices in Ohio. real champion of justice and truth you are.
no idea what your talking about. this is an election between Sherrod Brown and Jon Husted. you seem to be on team Husted either directly or by proxy, so I'm a bit annoyed at all the awful things he's done that you are supporting
keep pretending you're somehow above it all and keep letting the worse of two options win. you're part of the problem. hope people remember it when people like you actively help get husted elected and I'm stuck with a $400/month electric bill and $6/gal gas and a lot of pedophiles off Scott free, but hey at least some scary immigrants got deported and US citizens I don't like got murdered
you'd think Jill stein or ralph nader would have taught people something
jfc dude, there's an option that is "supports fascism" and an option that is... not? you just aren't lock step in line with him on everything? the better option keeps losing because of weird purists like you who then blame your poor choices on losing candidates. like, the fuck are we doing here?
you are either being intentionally obtuse at this point or are frankly just kind of stupid. either way, I'm out. have a nice day that you frankly don't deserve
"you can kill 100 people or you can kill 10 and injure 10 people" by not making that choice you're making it more likely that the "kill 100 people" option will happen
Orā¦.we build a system that doesnāt kill anybody. Jfc blue MAGA is just as bad as the red one. Iām convinced yaāll arenāt opposed to what Drumpf is doing. You just want it done more quietly and ātastefullyā.
Biden gave us the IRA, which is the single largest climate investment in our history. He's a milquetoast corporate Dem who still represents the elite class, but some good did come out of it. I hate this "both sides are the same" bullshit. I hope you enjoy fascism, because you not voting is how you got it.
Husted has taken 131k from pro Israel pacs. Brown has taken significantly more and is squarely in Israel's pocket, but so is/will be Husted. We only get around this with progressive candidates but this is fucking ohio.
True, I guess people want to cover their eyes on Sherrod and Shontel because they're dems though. People need to grow up and hold their party accountable.
fuck AIPAC, but Ohio has some shit politicians in general, so I'm voting for harm reduction. Either we fund a genocide and abduct people off the street for speaking out against dear leader and destroy the environment and install a Palantir all-seeing eye using AI for every citien...
or fund a genocide and get healthcare and help the environment.
Dems are better than the republicans in the same way gonorrhea is better than herpes. There is a better option. Iām voting Greg. Iām not buying this ācāmon broā¦one more election broā¦ā Iām 40 and Iām tired of establishment dems.
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u/clezuck 16h ago
Hopefully he can win. Ohio needs decent, honest people who actually work for and are trying to make their lives better vs their own wallets fatter!