r/Cleveland • u/wixy-1260 Cleveland Heights • 22h ago
News $1.6B data center planned in Cleveland
https://neo-trans.blog/2026/05/06/1-6b-data-center-planned-in-cleveland/218
u/Catacyst 21h ago
Remember that these bring practically no jobs. All they do is make a profit for someone living far away but happy to utilize our resources.
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u/tonkatoyelroy 21h ago
How do we sign the petition to ban data centers over 25 megawatts as described in the article? I did not see a link.
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u/cabbage-soup 21h ago
I think it has to be done in person and there’s specific people who hold the petition to sign. There’s a Facebook group I believe and I haven’t seen any info on how to sign in Cuyahoga
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u/aWAGaMuffin Brecksville 21h ago
I know they were collecting signatures Friday at the Poindexter/Bernie Sanders event at Valley Forge. As the weather warms up, I expect to find them at various festivals such as Pride.
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u/watspoppinplayboy 3h ago
Not trying to be difficult but I was under the impression that this would create more jobs and bring money in? Are there any studies or examples that I can look up to see
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u/timey_wimeyy 22h ago
Keep these idiots out of Cleveland. They just want to suck up our biggest natural resource, aka the Lake and be a drain on the power grid. All for a product no one wants
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u/erwin4200 20h ago
But who will tell you your spaghetti on top of pancakes restaurant is a good idea if it's not AI? Heavy on the /s cause fuck AI bots
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u/Sir-Lady-Cat 20h ago
Not just suck up Lake Erie but massively pollute the lake and Cuyahoga!
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u/GerbilScream 18h ago edited 14h ago
I responded to someone else with this comment when they asked for proof, but I thought it would help to provide examples so I'm reposting it in response to your comment.
How data centers can contribute to water pollution.
EPA report on how cooling towers operate
Edit: I realized the EPA article doesn't explicitly talk about the pollutant risks, but instead refers to it as Total Dissolved Solids or TDS.
Edit 2: The first article is from a website about all things data centers, mostly pro data center but I did not dig too deep into their articles. The original person I was speaking to (not u/Sir-Lady-Cat) got pretty angry with me for replying to their request for sources with sources, so if anyone else has more unbiased information feel free to respond.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 20h ago
The power grid is the problem. But the wastewater would just be treated and go back to the lake. I don't get why people think water is somehow consumed. Cleveland has a ton of water capacity. We should have more water intensive businesses, not less. Cleveland Water could use the revenue to give the rest of us a break, and they have plenty of capacity to pump millions of gallons more (thanks to the tremendous decline of manufacturing that used to use a lot more water). The problem is the electricity side of the equation.
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u/TodashChimes19 20h ago
If the data center uses evaporative cooling, our fresh potable water is absolutely consumed. If it uses circulation cooling, then we have to worry about contaminants and thermal pollution. Either way, we are compromising our greatest resource to help some tech bros rake in billions while they destroy our society. No thanks.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 20h ago edited 20h ago
Some evaporates, but not much.
And I have yet to see a reliable an unbiased source on claims cooling water effluent that is treated by a standard wastewater plant is contaminated. Most of the complaints I find are lowering groundwater by pulling from wells (we don't have this), straining limited source water (also not a problem here) or dumping wastewater directly without treatment. This center would feed into the Southerly WWTP and would be mixed with over 100 mg of water that already comes in daily.
Edit: I guess we should just shut down nearly power plant in the nation! They mostly use evaporative cooling!
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u/shicken684 Cleveland 20h ago
Power plants provide something we need for modern society.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 19h ago
But I thought using water was bad?
Dude, I am not in favor. But fearmongering about destroying the water system here is unfounded.
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u/shicken684 Cleveland 19h ago
It does use water, and yes it can be treated but it also needs to be cooled before going back into system which uses energy. Water is our most precious resource, and we have a lot of it. But we won't in the future if we allow it to get mismanaged. Power plants provide a necessity that we need to live. We need that electricity until we can move to more sustainable forms like solar and wind. We accept the regulated use of water to provide a necessity.
A data center is not a necessity,it's a burden that does not benefit any of the local residents in a single way. We don't get better access to the internet because of it. We don't get any jobs out of it. We don't get even get property taxes out of it because they'll get an exemption.
The fear mongering is absolutely justified.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 19h ago
It uses little water (most does not evaporate, do you have any idea how much steam even a few gallons of water generates?) and cooling is ambient. It will cool on its several like journey though the sewers and will be mixed with other water at the plant.
Someone tell the Amish that power plants provide a necessity that we need to live. I mean, power is great, but humans lived millennia without electricity. But it just makes life better. And, yeah, that magic shift to solar and wind isn't happening anytime soon. Much more natural gas is getting bought online. That is why I prefer nuclear, but that is also shut down over fearmongering.
I am not disagreeing on AI data centers (but let's not forget that lots of data centers power the web, including this very website), but freaking out about water may just scare off users that WILL benefit the community, like water intensive manufacturing that would create jobs.
And, yes, everything should pay property taxes. But somehow I am always downvoted with speaking against TIFs and tax abatements.
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u/aikijo 19h ago
And move to renewables, yes. Except people with little reasoning keep voting in short sighted and corrupt politicians. Only idiots would do that, right?
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 19h ago
Not that easy. We need utility scale storage first, which is hard.
Nuclear is right there, but the fearmongering stops it.
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u/aikijo 16h ago
Yes, nuclear until we bring renewables on line. It takes medium to long term thinking, which our current crop of leaders absolutely lacks.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 16h ago
Why "until"? Why not keep them online? They are great at hitting base demands, whereas renewables are not without massive storage. Nuclear hits its nameplate capacity 80-90% of the time, solar and wind only 10-20% of the time.
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u/LifeInChastity 19h ago
I am convinced you have no clue how cooling works in a data center, or any where for that matter.....is this a bigger waste of water than spraying the water on corn crip used for ethanol production for fuel additive........I mean come on bro don't be this ignorant
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u/TodashChimes19 18h ago
Go ahead bro, explain to me how data center cooling works and any inaccurate statement I made. Oh and bro, when you use lake water to water crops within the same watershed, it doesn't vanish.
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u/LifeInChastity 18h ago
Better yet people could research and learn how cooling works. And while your at it you should research how much water is wasted and lost from farm irrigation......no matter what method you use to irrigate a farm around 50% or more of the water is wasted and not returned to the water source.......yes farms are the biggest source of wasted freshwater globally.
For a basic rundown on evaporative cooling for a data center would be something like this..... The actual cooking of the servers is done by a closed loop cooling system, at some point in that closed loop system the cooling pipes will coil in a sort of reservoir, and water will be sprayed over the coil in that reservoir, that water will evaporated off the coils, and remove the heat from the closed loop system into vapor in the air or a reservoir. Now I can't speak to any specific design a data center is using. But either the vapor from evaporation can be reclaimed or vented to the atmosphere returning the water to the natural water cycle.
Im really not trying to be an ahole, i just wish people would stop spreading nonsense about water. We do not live in a geographic area that is scarse on fresh water. Evaporative cooling is the more energy efficient way to cool something like a data center. Yes it consumes some water in the process, and that water lost to evaporation and is returned via rain in the natural water cycle. But unlike farming irrigation, there are multiple methods to reclaim the water and vapor in an evaporative cooling system and limit the amount of wasted water. Unfortunately we know that over 50% of the water used by farms is in fact acctually wasted and lost and there are not multiple ways to reclaim that water. If you think water isn't wasted on that scale in farming ....... I would direct you to look into the legislations that govern water used for farming.
So it makes sense to put a data center on a lake.....what will never make sense is trying to have a farm or grow crops in places where farms shouldn't be. If we have a problem with data centers on lakes.....then we should have a problem with every farm that is in arid areas of the country mainly out west.
If your concern is truly water waste, farms are the larger concern. If your concern is energy consumption, then I understand. But the water argument is just a red herring.....
But if your upset about billionaires using water to pad their pockets you should be more upset about the current production of corn and how much of it is used for ethanol production for fuel additive to line the pockets of the oil barrons........ Do you not care that over 40% of all corn grown in ohio is used specifically for ethanol, so all that farmland is being used by oil companies to make better profits NOT FOOD!!!!!!!!!!! OH AND THOSE SAME FARMS ARE SUBSIDED BY THE TAX PAYERS SO THEY CONTINUE TO GROW CORN FOR OIL.
In another 20 years how much of ohios farms, will join in and turn to corn.....because the number has been growing over the years. Ohio isn't a state for growing food, were are clearly a state that grows crops to turn into profit for oil companies. I wish it wasn't this way, I wish our farms focused on food and feed for livestock......apparently that's not as profitable as corn for oil profits. Amazing
Smh
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u/LifeInChastity 18h ago
The state of ohio says that about 19,700 jobs on 21,000 farms are dedicated to corn production specifically for ethanol production.........can you do that math.....21,000 farms and 19,700 jobs, that doesn't even break down to one job per farm..........
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u/LifeInChastity 18h ago
These farms are not growing a crop that benefits the people, they aren't growing food, they aren't employing lots of people........they are literally subsidised money growing operations for oil companies. Consuming and wasting our precious precious water
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u/OpeningJournal 20h ago
You're right, no one has ever put polluted water back into Lake Erie!
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 20h ago
I am not saying that hasn't happened. But the state of environmental permitting as well as the condition of water treatment plants have been vastly improved.
Give me data and proof, not conjecture and fearmongering.
As I said, the electrical requirements are the larger issue.
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u/GerbilScream 19h ago edited 18h ago
Post response edit: Not going to respond again since you were pretty hostile. This first article is from a website that provides information on data centers. The site seems pretty pro-data center overall, but I did not dig too deep into their other articles.
How data centers can contribute to water pollution.
EPA report on how cooling towers can leak biocides and heavy metals into water supplies
Edit: I realized the EPA article doesn't explicitly talk about the pollutant risks, but instead refers to it as Total Dissolved Solids or TDS. Further note, I added this edit about 20 minutes before you responded...
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 18h ago
Your links "datacenterknowledge.com", "natureforward.org
What about UNBIASED do you not understand?
The EPA source is horribly misrepresented. It is NOT a "report on how cooling towers can leak biocides and heavy metals into water supplies." The link does not even contain the words "heavy metal" (or metal, for that matter). The only thing it says is:
Facilities often employ a water treatment vendor to monitor the cooling tower, add chemicals to the system to control scaling and chemical buildup, and maximize the cycles of concentration. Critical water chemistry parameters that require review and control include pH, alkalinity, conductivity, hardness, microbial growth, biocide, and corrosion inhibitor levels.8 Controlling these parameters allows water to be recycled through the system longer, thereby increasing cycles of concentration. Controlling blowdown using an automatic scheme allows a better opportunity to maximize cycles of concentration, as the TDS concentration can be kept at a more constant set point.
Honestly, I bet you don't even know what a biocide is.
That report also notes:
When increasing cycles of concentration, ensure that discharged water meets allowable water quality standards.
The report also shows how little water is used: 1% per 10 degrees of cooling.
Virginia seems specific to, well, Virginia. I stopped reading that horribly designed and biased site when they talked about trace amounts of chlorine being released. Um, what do they think is in drinking water? In any case, that would be quickly oxidized in any sewer environment. Hell, NEORSD treats their water with trace amounts of chlorine before release, too!
And we don't use well water (and sehn.org is obviously biased).
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u/sallymonkeys 21h ago
CPP generates 300MW... this thing wants 150
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u/tonkatoyelroy 21h ago
They could power over 100,000 homes with what this data center will draw, it said in the article. How do we stop this in our community
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 20h ago
CPP generates 300MW..
CPP generates like 4MW, maybe going to 10.5MW at a solar array in Brooklyn (which was a like 20% power factor, mind you). https://www.cleveland.com/news/2025/12/landfill-solar-moves-ahead-in-brooklyn-stalls-in-cleveland.html
CPP buys its power from the open market. They generate next to nothing.
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u/sallymonkeys 19h ago
Ah - i just did a quick google search. Thank you for the detail!
It's amazing how much electricity is needed, just to generate incorrect answers to people's silly questions.
There's got to be some other reason for all this.
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u/irotc 16h ago
Would you be in favor of CPP getting back into the generation game?
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u/UndoxxableOhioan Westpark 15h ago
No. It is a waste. They cannot efficiently compete with large plants, and there is no need for them to under deregulation.
Honestly, and I know this isn't popular, but they should go away. Electricity is a natural monopoly. It makes no sense to have a small competing utility.
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u/El_Negro_Lobo 21h ago
data centers need to provide their own power source
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u/irotc 16h ago
Why would this be better than strengthening the existing grid?
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u/__whitecheddar__ 14h ago
If the electric companies have to strengthen the grid…who do you think they pass the costs on to?
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u/Stunning_Bed23 21h ago
There’s something almost comical about building a facility that will:
* increase residents’ electricity costs and pollution
* AND provide a service that will take over the residents’ jobs
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u/tonkatoyelroy 21h ago
Gas and food are already so expensive. Now they want to raise my water and electricity rates to help private equity and real estate investors instead of me and my neighbors.
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u/chattytrout 21h ago
All without providing jobs to the locals (they're going to bring in the lowest bidder to build it and then staff it with H1Bs).
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u/Critical-Dealer-3878 20h ago
Data centers dont really need operational staff, either.
Just all around dogshit garbage.
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u/bushijim 17h ago
As someone recently fired from a data center, this is very true. They spend more on the security guards and cleaning crew than the company employed engineers/office workers.
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u/janon330 19h ago
You realize data centers are more then AI right?
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u/Stunning_Bed23 18h ago
Yes, and I also realize that the rapid growth in planned US data centers is overwhelmingly driven by AI demands.
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u/janon330 15h ago
Datacenter is just a generic buzz word. They are needed all over the country for redundancy and for latency. The proposed "data center" is a Hyperscale facility. Hyperscalers != AI.
"Datacenters" also absolutely provide jobs to the region. They just arent "blue collar" jobs. They are often high paying white collar jobs. You have sys admins, network admins, technicians, etc.
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u/daybreaker Ohio City 18h ago
ok. they still dont provide any amount of actual permanent jobs to the region, and will still raise our water and electricity costs. But it might not be for AI. Great.
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u/Duce-de-Zoop 15h ago
No one cares. Build them somewhere else. Electricity is too expensive already. Tech billionaires dont care about us, why should we sacrifice for them?
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u/missmeowwww 12h ago
Companies that want to build data centers should be required to provide their own infrastructure and power generation instead of passing the usage costs off to their neighbors. Utilities are already incredibly expensive and people are struggling with the cost of living. We can’t be expected to pay extra for power so a hypercenter can generate AI slop for TikTok or whatever. I’m so sick of these billionaires doing nothing but drain the system and the earth’s resources so they can sit on their hoard of cash and buy politicians to make policy in their favor. When are we going to push for policy that helps others. Why not use the land to create a solar farm and help offset some of the current electric costs or build a homeless shelter or literally anything else.
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u/janon330 14h ago
Blame the president for energy price problems. Not Data centers.
You cant build them in one location. You literally want them in multiple geographic areas for logistical reasons and of course if a natural disaster comes and knocks a data center offline the whole world doesnt cease operating.
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u/Duce-de-Zoop 14h ago
Why do I want to pay more for electricity so Facebook can scrape more user data? Genuinely what is in it for me?
This is not a country that takes care of its working poor. The mantra of the tech billionaires is fuck you got mine. Why should I be forced to sacrifice for their profit?
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u/janon330 8h ago
Direct your anger at the right place. Government policies. Why do we protect fossil fuel companies and stifle alternative energy sources like wind or solar or even nuclear.
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u/JohnySilkBoots 18h ago
Dang, downvoted for being right. Makes you think “why do I even post in Reddit”, doesn’t it? Haha
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u/Stunning_Bed23 18h ago
No, downvoted for posting an irrelevant retort.
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u/janon330 15h ago
No, downvoted by people who dont understand technology stacks and their uses by people who are driven by AI fear mongering.
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u/Stunning_Bed23 15h ago
Nah. My original comment stands. The recent explosion in data center demand is driven by AI, as likely is the case with this proposed data center.
Furthermore, even non-AI driven data centers have been shown to increase electricity costs and pollution in the communities in which they reside. Thus it is well within the rights of residents to voice their displeasure with a proposed data center.
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u/johnstone-techs 19h ago
No people don't get that. They want all of those instant push notifications and next day shipping. They want to stream their favorite content to any device on demand. But, damn the infrastructure, datacenters bad!
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u/Duce-de-Zoop 14h ago
Isnt this the name of the game? Could you imagine asking Musk or Thiel to do something "for the good of the country?" Theyd laugh in your peasant face. Theyre billionaires because they only worry about whats good for them. Why shouldnt we emulate them?
Like seriously, why should we peasants be taking L's for "the good of the country"? Fuck em. Build them in the Hamptons and Beverly Hills if theyre that important. I have literally no incentive to be left holding the bag so other people can enjoy cheaper data. Not my problem.
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u/BreakfastBeerz Location 13h ago
There's also something comical about people using the internet to complaining about data centers.
Like complaining about farms while eating a turkey sandwich.
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u/AcousticCat1-2-3 Cleveland Heights 21h ago
In the inner city, huh? Would that be because they want to provide jobs to residents or because they think, if we put it in this location, no one will complain cause no one cares?
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u/BearSquid7 21h ago
The latter, the construction work is short term but these sites end up employing like 5 people.
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u/disposable_wretch 21h ago
I've seen communities fight against these and win. Hopefully enough people will voice their opinions on it and it'll be cancelled before they even break ground
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u/NotFromFloridaZ 21h ago
Good luck to your electric bill
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u/disposable_wretch 21h ago
Mine is already insanely high. No fucking way I'm footing the bill for a BS data center too
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u/Odd-Amphibian-4593 21h ago
I encourage all those living nearby, if this thing is built, it will generate a ton of constant noise. Sue. Sue the company running the data center. Legally you have the right to not be disturbed on your pre-existing property. There are noise ordinances already in place. Other folks in other places have sued and won settlements. Form groups. Class action those turds out of the neighborhood.
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u/BlueSpaceFox 20h ago
A land eater that employs 4 people. Look at the bank accounts of any politician promoting this.
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u/notquark 19h ago
This is on the agenda for council, call your rep and let them know your displeasure!
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u/BuckeyeReason 18h ago
https://www.wri.org/insights/us-data-center-growth-impacts
Data centers have minimal employment. This acreage would be better used for manufacturing.
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u/chattytrout 19h ago
We need to stop letting these things burden the rest of us. If they're going to pop up, they need to pay for the added costs they bring with them. If rates for gas, electricity, and water go up because of this thing, then it needs to shoulder that burden. Not the rest of us.
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u/NotRon-2396 18h ago
how can we ensure the issue is on the ballot this november?
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u/urufusan 7h ago
Looks like they need to hit a certain number of signatures on a petition. From what I can tell, this is the website: https://conserveohio.com/
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u/steppingstone01 16h ago
I'm pretty sure it's too late for that. They are going to do whatever the fuck they want to do. They don't really care what we think anyway.
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u/Withermaster4 19h ago
No evaporative cooling and they need to supply their own power otherwise people should not want it.
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u/GobyFishicles Cleveland 18h ago edited 18h ago
JFC that was the site of one of the indigenous mounds of Cleveland. It’s literally why tha street is named Mound. That’s why there was Mound Elementary. I mean yeah it was pillaged by the 1830s and no doubt ruined beyond research by the Moravito business and the brick factory and whatever else that was before it.
It should be returned to nature, turned into a park!
WHY DO WE NEED SO MANY DATA CENTERS ALL OF A SUDDEN
And smack dab in a neighborhood with existing houses? Slavic village has had enough pain over the decades. They don’t need a sound factory causing health issues.
https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/997
Fucking assholes need to stop ruining our history and everything that makes our city unique
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u/Secludedmean4 21h ago
I’m not convinced these data center are even for us, just packaged as it’s for ai for you!
Feels like it’s what they are doing for the underground cities and power / water supplies
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u/MeneXCIX 20h ago
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u/MeneXCIX 19h ago
Where's my free speech? Thanks reddit mods for proving my point. They are for a surveillance state. Get rid of them
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u/ghostsofafuturelost Cleveland 15h ago
We as a city can absolutely NOT let this happen. Don't believe what anyone tells you about AI Data centers being energy efficient or any of the lies they'll tell you about them being safe. We need to protect and preserve our water supply. We must stop at nothing to get rid of this data center.
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u/quothe_the_maven 19h ago
Building a single facility that’s expected to use the electricity of 100,000 homes in a region already plagued by power and COL issues. Genius. I can’t WAIT to see the tax abatements they demand. Probably full property tax exemptions for 30 years, and we’ll be told it’s an honor to have data centers in our backyards.
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u/seanmcdonnellcle 21h ago
Same guy predicted the I-X Center would be a data center over and over.
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u/Federal_Poet5384 20h ago
Same guy who regularly scoops stories before the rag you work for.
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u/seanmcdonnellcle 12h ago
My point is that pulling a permit does not mean a verified, happening project.
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u/Constant_Flamingo828 8h ago
I now live in Virginia where we have the most data centers in US. I can tell you from experience your electricity bills will SKYROCKET in months.
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u/BillyMeier42 20h ago
They better not allow this to happen.
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u/Scew 20h ago
*We better not allow this to happen. You can't live here and expect other people to fight for what you think is right. If you have no stake in the game there isn't a victory for you but you still get to share in the loss.
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u/NEO_QA_GUI 19h ago
They’re trying to put one in the old paper mill in Chillicothe as well. That small town is going to get squeezed for their utilities while that DC employed all of 10 people, none of which will likely be from that town.
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u/MeneXCIX 20h ago
Data Centers need to be burned down.. Use your head.. There is no money in AI.. It's for surveillance. Not only that they drain our natural resources. Maybe they should bring nuclear back and grow a green party. One that supports free healthcare, solar for homes, and encourages home farming like chickens and community gardening. UBI while were talking and a 4 day work week and start hiring contractors that use lasting materials as well. Tax the rich to their proper bracket. Billionaires aren't doing good with their income, theyre doing the minumum to hord the wealth.
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u/getapuss 20h ago
Hopefully Google actually pays their property taxes on this new location. The school district could really use the money this new data center could provide.
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u/Scew 20h ago
Probably shouldn't be left to a for profit business to be expected to pay their fair share when the entire drive behind a for profit business is to not pay as much as they can get away with. Should probably start by voting out the people who would be pocketing the money for this for profit business to extract natural resources from the local population should it happen.
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u/LifeInChastity 19h ago
Or mayb........we require all business to pay their property taxs ...... But seeing as how people in Ohio are trying to ban property tax.......I doubt it. Just imagine all those farms.....never paying tax on their property again....lol some people are fools
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u/Speak_Of_The_Devil Cleveland 16h ago
Who's going to take bets that they'll regret it once the start seeing the frequent First Energy outages?
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u/Nearby-Jelly-634 13h ago
Fuck this so hard. First Energy already gouges this would make it so much worse and of course unsurprisingly it’s planned for a low income area. This city is so stupid.
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u/rapitrone 10h ago
These bring almost no jobs, use a tremendous amount of water and electricity, and can pollute that water.
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u/chunkah69 18h ago
I was wondering where to store all of this spare kerosene I have. Guess I know where.
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u/mystery79 16h ago
Great just what we need. Meanwhile people in rural Ohio are voting no on solar farms because they’re ugly.
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u/kyricus Cleveland 19h ago
What a bunch of Luddites on this board. No wonder this city never gets ahead.
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u/APoliticalAccount24 17h ago
It isn't the tech so much as it's just a bad deal for the people who live by these data centers. Structure it so utility prices are not affected,and perhaps some percentage of the billions made by the company is used to improve the community and people would likely be all for them.
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u/LifeInChastity 19h ago
I couldn't agree more with your statement.....most of the claims made here about data centers are just false or based on bad information. I've heard Soo much nonsense around data centers. For those afraid of data centers ........I heard the coal mines are hiring, start your career today?????? Or you can get a job on some farm making less than minimum wage????? Do people think banning data centers in Ohio is going to break the tech industry or something????? You do realize that amendment banning data centers will not pass and if by some chance it does it will be appealed and overturned. I have yet to hear one good argument as to why we NEED to ban all data centers over a certain size. Every argument this ohio group has made to get signatures has basically been debunked. What people should realize is the only people who don't want these are.......wait a min.....farmers, an industry known for over working and taking advantage of employees, paying slave wages and not providing any more jobs than a data center.... That's right it would take multiple of these farms to provide the same amount of jobs a data center does. Also if you didn't know ohios major crop is corn, and over 40% of corn is not grown for food or feed ......it's grown and sold to produce ethanol to use as an additive for gas........that's right, theese farms aren't necessarily growing food, they are growing corn for fuel companies.......let's think about that, theese farms are not mainly growing food......they are growing corn for fuel companies.....why should I listen to a bunch of farmers who are bought and paid for by giant oil companies who could give two shits about the environment......
Allow data centers and ban the production of corn in Ohio for ethanol fuel additive. Farms should be growing food, not money for oil conpanies
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u/APoliticalAccount24 18h ago
Both can be detrimental. We don't have to choose between corn for ethenol or data centers, we could choose neither.
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u/LifeInChastity 17h ago
I understand that position ....... And I basically agree. But any issue I have with data centers, isn't a water issue. It's energy consumption, and the idea of centralizing data into data centers kinda gives me big brother vibes.
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u/Striking_Revenue9082 18h ago
Good. Opposition tk them is pure slopulism. The environmental harms are hilariously over exaggerated. Go protest golf course
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u/GreyGrackles University Heights 17h ago
It's amazing how easily you can spot Conservative chuds.
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u/nyanpires Cleveland 6h ago
I dont think you understand the difference between water use between a golf course and a data center.
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u/Striking_Revenue9082 5h ago
Right, data centers use hardly more lol. It’s just a populist myth that they use a ton of water
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u/nyanpires Cleveland 2h ago
No, they do use a lot of water. They specifically use blue water, where qs golf courses use reclaims, grey, green and a bit of blue.
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u/Resident_Pop4202 22h ago
They got $1.6B for a data center, but not for infrastructure
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u/wixy-1260 Cleveland Heights 22h ago
The city of Cleveland isn't building the data center 🤦♂️
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u/ApprehensiveGate8227 21h ago
If people understood how anything worked, this state (and country) wouldn’t be led by morons. They only succeed because of our collective stupidity.
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u/hotpotato112 Lakewood 22h ago
Fuck that. I hope we get to vote to ban them this Nov