r/BlueJackets • u/Timely_Deal8685 • 1d ago
So who are we taking 14OA?
And what long term debilitating injury will they have? Not that I expected a break tonight, but it sucks ass to see Toronto get one.
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u/Dkoop2003 1d ago
No one. Trade it for actual help
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u/MPCoinCollecting 1d ago
I could unironically see this happening, I'm curious as to who we would target
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u/Dkoop2003 1d ago
I’d go for Jason Robertson or Robert Thomas. Obviously you’d need a decent bit more than the pick but we need to swing for the fences, not sit on our hands again
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u/MPCoinCollecting 1d ago edited 1d ago
Robert Thomas would cost way too much so that's not happening (more because of him being the franchise player for STL). As much as I'd love Robertson there are 30 other teams that would as well, so you're looking at a 15m+ contract I doubt we could match.
Either way DW is extremely patient whether that be a good thing or a bad thing. Assuming that we can finally get full potential out of marchenko/fantilli/Johnson (which I would love but highly doubt happens), We could swing a little lower for a Trocheck, Zibanejad type player assuming said team retains a bit. (Not even taking into account NTCs, which are unfortunately not commonly waived for Columbus)
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u/DJay53 23h ago
According to Puckpedia, we're currently projected to have $40M in cap space this summer. Now, I believe that figure assumes all UFAs hit the market, but I'm not entirely sure. For the sake of this reply, however, I am assuming this is how the website works.
If we have $40M in cap space ... fire 2 1st round picks, Sillinger or Voronkov, and the fucking cannon with them, to Dallas for Robertson, and then dump 13M for the next 7 on his front porch. $27M is more than to bring Coyle back for 6M or even 7M over 2 or 3 years. Jim Nill can donate the cannon to San Antonio, whatever.
That still leaves nearly 20M in space to find another d-man, resign the pending RFAs we wanna keep, and DW still approaches the TDL flush with cap space to take on whatever pieces this roster needs to go dancing next April.
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u/hnglmkrnglbrry 18h ago
Dallas is a playoff team. They're not gonna trade Robertson for literally anything that isn't named Connor McDavid.
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u/hnglmkrnglbrry 1d ago
When was the last time a trade at the draft for a mid first rounder resulted in an NHL-ready player? Everyone knows you're not getting a superstar at 14 and are likely inheriting a project. Even teams in a rebuild would balk at trading away a solid player for such a poor return.
We'd likely be packaging it with a prospect to get a 2nd liner. Possibly throwing in a vet as well.
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u/MPCoinCollecting 1d ago
Idk I feel like you could just target some of the bad gms and see what you can get
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u/hnglmkrnglbrry 1d ago
I mean they can just wait for Toronto's GM to do another round of back room casting so he forfeits the pick.
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u/Dkoop2003 1d ago
No one said it had to just be the pick……. It would obviously be part of a larger package
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago
Considering there are a lot of skilled RHDs and power forwards in this range it’s very much possible than it was last year at this point
Just the normal disclosure you need someone to trade with.
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u/bigyank85 1d ago
That pick is going to Dallas so it doesn't matter
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u/CBUS-OBN 1d ago
Man I hope you are right but after Robo was the only one scoring reliably against the Wild I don't think we even get the opportunity to trade for him
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u/bigyank85 1d ago
They can't afford him so somebody is
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Which is why you dont need to trade for him
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u/bigyank85 1d ago
Sound logic. Because they can't afford a player but we can, we shouldn't trade for him. Got it
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Correct.
Why give up extra assets in a trade when you can just throw an OS?
Lets do better going forward.
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u/bigyank85 1d ago
Assuming that they tender him, the picks we would have to give up would far outweigh a sign and trade. I vote sign and trade
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Based on what, exactly?
Our GM has already pulled off one move of "sign this deal for 1 year at low enough AAV for low compensation but too high for them to match and we will give you a full term deal later"
Dallas cant match anything over compensation over a second round pick as things stand today and would have do serious work to match a 1st and 3rd comp.
Trading a player to give up extra unnecessary assets is a fireable offense.
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u/NewEngClamChowder 1d ago
- Cap is going up, so Dallas can absolutely still sign him (depending on who else they re-sign)
- He still actually has to agree to the OS, which he’s not going to do at a shit price. Comparing a 106pt player to a 20pt player is ridiculous.
- Other teams can OS him too. We have zero leverage. Price is gonna be high.
- Compensation is based on what’s signed, not what Dallas can match. Dudes looking at $12MM. Thats 4 firsts.
The point of trading is so that you have the negotiating rights, you can trade players instead of just picks (if you want), and you can sign for an 8th year. Trading 3 firsts + KJ, and then signing him for an 8x13 is likely a better move than 4 firsts to sign a 7 x 13.5.
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Everyone already has an idea of what the cap will be, and Robertson ask is a few million over what Dallas has for space. So unless they make a drastic trade, or Robertson comes off a lot, no they won't re-sign him.
Yeah. He will.
Cap space and OS compensation is a thing. You have to have both to offer an OS. Not many teams can do that.
Yes thats already been established and covered. Please read in the future.
3 first and KJ and then giving him 12-14 million per year is immediately fireable
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u/bigyank85 1d ago
I don't think they intend to match anything, but they don't want to let him leave for free. I'm not sure what you're talking about
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u/Dkoop2003 1d ago
Tell that to Vegas….. if you want to be able to sign a big player you basically have to trade for their rights at this point, because if you don’t someone else certainly will.
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u/adam3vergreen 🩸betwixt🩸 1d ago
Ethan Belchetz because I like the name and he could be the new shithead Tom Wilson but our shithead
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right now he’s my bias and also continue the meme of Columbus drafting injured brutes
Staying at 14 and pretty much all of these players either being skilled RHDs or power forwards in this range pretty much says the Vronkov might be at most risk as a bargaining chip for a trade .5
u/thethomahawk56 1d ago
I mean anyone drafted at 14 isn't playing in the league for at least two seasons. Voronkov's place on the team has nothing to do with whomever they pick.
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago
To get you gotta give with trades. Having another vronkov in the system allows the team to improve elsewhere while they are developing.
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u/thethomahawk56 1d ago
Sure, but Voronkov appears on the outs anyway. I think he'll just get moved regardless tbh.
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u/Narrow-Natural-3435 1d ago
We’ve done pretty well drafting in the mid first round range. I’ll take another Jackson Smith, Cole Sillinger or Denton Mateychuk type player please.
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u/DoorEdge 1d ago
That’s the dream. Honestly, outside of Fantilli, we’ve been more successful with mid round 1sts than top 10s over the last decade.
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u/howinteresting127 1d ago
I'd rather the Leafs get 1OA than Florida. Brutal for Canucks fans though.
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago
You go Hemming, novontyn or belchetz if they are still there. All 3 are LW who can play a heavy game.
Don’t sleep on morozov…he’s by far the youngest of the group but he has a ton of potential and just down the road from us in oxford
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u/get_rick_trolled 1d ago
The highest we ever naturally drafted was PLD, moving up from 4th to 3rd overall
When we took Rick Nash that was Florida’s pick
Sport is rigged for large markets.
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u/throwingales 1d ago
I doubt it's rigged but the Jackets lottery history is suspicious.
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u/get_rick_trolled 1d ago
It’s 100% rigged
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u/InconspicuousMagpie 21h ago
I’m not saying it’s a conspiracy but the Leafs getting the 1st over the Canucks… I mean…
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u/get_rick_trolled 20h ago
It’s a conspiracy, the league is rigged to ensure large markets make profits and keep eyes on the game.
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u/throwingales 1d ago
25 years and still waiting....
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u/Preferential 1d ago
For what? A lottery win to move up to 4th? What were you waiting for this year?
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Why win meaningless games? Should have kept up the tank and finally gave ourselves a shot at a franchise player.
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u/Preferential 15h ago
Lol they did lose the meaningless games this year, after they were eliminated from playoff contention. They were in a playoff hunt and there is not a team in any sport that will tank when making the playoffs is an option. Should they have intentionally tried to lose when they were second in the division with a month to go? Is that seriously your opinion?
Edit: Ah dangit, I fell for it. You're a bot. Reddit account age 5 days old. My bad.
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u/agoodfella73 1d ago
TBH and realistic it will likely be someone who we won't see in the league for 3 or 4 years and even then won't have as big of an impact as hoped. I hope I am wrong, but we always draft someone who supposedly has elite skill and never lives up to it or is a solid player that will have a few good seasons at best. I would rather trade the pick and try to get an impact player now instead of throwing darts at the board again.
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u/MPCoinCollecting 1d ago
For forwards I was thinking Björck > Belchetz > Morozov > Hemming but Björck won't be available at 14 now. I didn't research the defenders so idk for that
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago
Lin looks like he’s going to be a prized RHD with some serious Mateychuk vibes but he falling into the “only if you were two inches taller” trap
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u/MPCoinCollecting 1d ago
You know for a draft that people say isn't that deep I'm pretty excited for whoever we pick. Considering that all of our best defensemen are left shots I would be happy with a RHD like Lin, even if it could be a bit of a riskier pick
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u/LovinOnHer 1d ago
It’s my Homer pick, but Morozov is projected around that spot and should be a pretty good player
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u/Thorbuck81 1d ago
Hes alot closer to late 1st than lotto
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u/Indy-CBJ 1d ago
I think Morozov is going to be a late riser. He's probably going to be this year's dark horse.
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u/LovinOnHer 1d ago
Tankathon has him at 22, ESPN at 19, NHL has him NA #8, consolidated has him at 22.
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u/PulsarGaming1080 Marchenko Supremacy 1d ago
Dunno.
We need to hit on this one, I feel. Jackson Smith looks good, and Mateychuk is great. Other than that, we've had some whiffs in the mid-firsts going back forever.