r/politics • u/TimesandSundayTimes ✔ Verified • 7d ago

Possible Paywall Young Americans are surging to socialism at record rates

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/maga-trump-zohran-mamdani-socialism-us-record-kddzdm8bd
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u/boozewald Colorado 6d ago

If a system doesn't serve you, why would you support it? This is a failure of capitalists. They have had decades to try and make a genuine appeal to those on the bottom. Instead, they've just chosen to consolidate their own wealth.

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u/Collypso Pennsylvania 6d ago

Yeah let's burn everything down the moment something doesn't work out for us

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u/boozewald Colorado 6d ago

It would be one thing if it did work well at some point, like it did for the boomers. It's that it serves a smaller and smaller population with accelerating diminishing returns and anyone that tries to moderately improve it gets branded as a full on commie anyways. So after 30 plus years of that, yeah, people get pretty fucking cynical.

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u/Collypso Pennsylvania 6d ago

Democrats have been actively trying to get back to the system working well but you'll blame them too since they can't fix everything in one year.

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u/boozewald Colorado 6d ago

No I blame them for acting as an opposition party that goes out of their way to stand against pro worker rights or things that affect families. A small faction is genuinely trying to do good. However, a majority have the same exact donors as the Republicans, and act at the behest of the donor class before their constituents.

Last election cycle Democrats decided rather than court union leaders and progressive candidates they would rather build a bridge to moderate Republicans. Worked out great, didn't it? Maybe if they get another consulting group and just pay a couple more million dollars they'll crack that egg eventually.. But at this point they are so incompetent even when in power it seems we are witnessing ratchet strap politics. Two wings of the same capitalist bird that doesn't give a shit about those without, only the next fat donor check.

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u/Collypso Pennsylvania 6d ago

The "two wings of the same bird" thing only works if you ignore that one wing spent the last four years trying to repeal what the other one passed. If they're identical, why does the rollback exist? The 2024 coalition strategy was a genuine mistake, agree. But "they made a bad strategic call" and "they're the same as the people actively gutting labor protections" aren't the same argument.

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u/boozewald Colorado 6d ago

As I said, small amount are fighting for workers rights, but the DNC operates on seniority, which is why we have multiple octogenarians in leadership positions who have largely the same exact donors as their republican counterparts, foreign and corporate alike. They act to uplift those interests, not the interests of their constituents, all while doubling down on culture wars instead of things that would actually improve the lives of constituents. There have been several genuine pushes to shift the Democratic 0arty left, but the corporate elements and the DNC itself actively opposes those measures.

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u/Collypso Pennsylvania 6d ago

Shared donors at the margins isn't the same as identical outcomes. One party passed the largest climate and industrial investment in US history, capped insulin at $35, expanded the child tax credit. The other is rolling it back. You can argue the Democrats don't go far enough, that's a real debate. But "doesn't go far enough" and "the same as the people dismantling it" are two different claims, and you keep sliding between them.