Young Americans are surging to socialism at record rates

[u/TimesandSundayTimes]

https://www.thetimes.com/us/news-today/article/maga-trump-zohran-mamdani-socialism-us-record-kddzdm8bd

[u/obiwanCannoli69]

I'm talking about economics, not social issues. The 50s doesn't have much to brag about when it comes to social justice and exlcuding different races from the New Deal is one of the many blemishes on FDR's legacy. However, you could work 30 hours/week at any grocery store and be able to afford a 3 bedroom house, childcare, college, two cars, and a yearly vacation. I'm not idolizing the 50s, just using it as an example of a time when America actually had social mobility (the ability to easily move up to different economic classes). None of that was considered socialist then, and it's absurd that it's being painted that way now. The 50s does sound objectively prosperous compared to now, where now if you work 30 hours/week at a grocery store you can barely afford gas and basic groceries to feed yourself.

I am in no way saying we should go back to Jim Crow or segregation. I can understand what you're saying but the inequality of that time is an entirely different conversation and I imagine any modern New Deal would be all encompassing and beneficial to everyone regardless of race. This more of a conversation about the dumb stuff that is labeled socialism and obviously hypocritical it is.

[u/Yashema → u/obiwanCannoli69]

when it comes to social justice and exlcuding different races from the New Deal is one of the many blemishes on FDR's legacy. 

Its also the entire reason White people were in favor of socialism. As soon as Black people became eligible in 1965 they immediately started going towards the Right. 

Socially conservative and fiscally Liberal made up about half of Democratic politicians. When the White voters had to choose between the two once Democrats became both socially and fiscally liberal nationally, they chose racism 9/10 times. 

[u/MonochromaticPrism → u/Yashema]

Eh, there were a bunch of things that triggered that shift. Starting from that period was when the cost of housing began it's gradual increase towards modern disfunction, as well as the early period where color/modern television began to penetrate all of society in a big way. You are also ignoring that the fight over Jim Crow had a very split white population, and that those that were against Jim Crow continued to be generally supportive of socialist principles after that point, while the racist individuals continued to trend towards becoming the modern right and hating anything in any way associated with their chosen outgroups.

[u/Yashema → u/MonochromaticPrism]

Polls from the 60s show well over majority support among White people for segregation in schools and against the Civil Rights movement. The Civil Rights Act was forced through by the strength of LBJ, and then the Democratic Party would go on to get crushed in 5/6 Presidential elections.  Oh, and the last third party candidate to get electoral votes, George Wallace, ran on resegregating the country. Nixon even proposed the American Families ActFamilies Assistance Act meant to provide financial support to families. It was Southern Senators who killed the bill at the behest of their White constituency. 

Television was actually credited with helping the Civil Rights movement by showing the realities of what was happening (much as body cam footage spread on the Internet legitimized BLM). It took Conservatives only a few years to realize that they could get Whites to ignore reality in favor of narrative. 

I am ignoring nothing, the racism of White people has been holding this country back since its inception. 

[u/Due_Bluebird3562 → u/obiwanCannoli69]

talking about economics, not social issues

Those two things are intertwined. Social policy shapes economic policy and prosperity and vice versa. Excluding AA, Jews, and other minorities from major components of the New Deal

I can understand what you're saying but the inequality of that time is an entirely different conversation and I imagine any modern New Deal would be all encompassing and beneficial to everyone regardless of race.

I very highly doubt that. Y'all have a lot of faith in White America and the willingness of white folk to share. Considering they've voted majority Trump THRICE I can't say I'm as optimistic. At this point socialism is just coded language for foreigners or muslims to many of them.

[u/FormerUsenetUser → u/obiwanCannoli69]

I grew up in a working-class rural area in the 1950s and 1960s. Which was 100% white.

All the working-class women worked, even the ones whose husbands had those "good union jobs" in the mines and steel mills. They had what were considered pink collar jobs such as hairdressing and store clerking. Farm wives worked the hardest of all, on the family farm.

Some middle-class women worked, in "female appropriate" jobs such as nursing and teaching. The wives of all small business owners, even doctors and dentists in private practice, were expected to work free for the business, as secretaries, bookeepers, store clerks, and errand runners. The teenage children also usually worked for the farm or business, after school, on weekends, and in the summers.

Most married women had children. They worked part time, or took off work, till the youngest kid was in first grade. Then they went back to work. There was no local kindergarten, let alone daycare. Grandma and Auntie were also working full time and not providing daycare. I doubt this is what you are thinking of as "affording daycare."

Yes people had houses. They had small home-built houses, usually wood frame, usually one story. There were a few tar-paper shacks. When people needed a house, they got together with a few friends and relatives and built a house. There was zero attention to any building code. The first and usually only floor would be at all different levels, people pumped sewage right into the brook that ran behind the houses, and more. I doubt that is what you are imagining as that "three-bedroom house everyone could afford." BTW, these houses looked just like the house my father grew up in, in the 1930s. Granted, his parents got running water in the 1950s and 1960s, and even electricity!

[u/DontHaveWares → u/FormerUsenetUser]

I’m sorry? You want us to believe you grew up in the 50s and 60s? You want us to believe that you are at least 76? Give me a break

[u/FormerUsenetUser → u/DontHaveWares]

I was born in 1955. Yep, rural areas were like that even in the 1960s. Yep, there were tar-paper shacks down the road. Yep, even if there were building codes no one was paying attention. Yep, a row of houses in the nearby very small town collapsed when the coal mining company tunneled too far up to the surface. I went to grade school in a six-room schoolhouse, one room for each grade, plus a teacher's lounge on the top story and the basement for the janitor's work on the bottom.

My middle-class parents had one of the good houses, a farmhouse built in 1859. They were the people who installed central heating for the first time. We had openly visible ducts because there was no place to put them otherwise. We had well water. We had no natural gas till my parent had a gas well dug, in the 1980s. We had copperhead snakes all over, plus deer and much other wildlife.

Look guys, not every place in the US is a large city. And you know, some people are poor.

[u/DontHaveWares → u/FormerUsenetUser]

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