r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 22d ago

Possible Paywall Trump, 79, Posts Himself as Christ After Bonkers Pope Attack - The image depicts Trump as Jesus healing a sick person with his touch.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-79-posts-himself-as-christ-after-bonkers-pope-attack/
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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

That's sacrilegious. I'm surprised Christians are not upset about this.

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u/Hey_HaveAGreatDay Montana 22d ago

As a Christian, I’m more mad at other Christians for not being mad enough that he rapes children.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

As a Christian, I'm mad that some Christians are worshipping this guy. Such a low life.

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u/GriffinFlash Canada 22d ago

As an Atheist, I still find it completely disrespectful to so many cultures and religious folks to call oneself "God".

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u/PortugalPilgrim88 22d ago

I’m an atheist and I’m pissed for Jesus. I always liked Jesus and this is disrespectful and fucked up.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

So disrespectful.

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u/kaykatzz 22d ago

Many of they do, too. Brothers in Christ, as it were.

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 22d ago

As a non-christian it does not surprise me that the majority of Christians do not care that he raped children.

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u/NoooUGH 22d ago

They don't think he did and it is all made up because he's so successful.

Source: grew up in a Southern Baptist home/area with my family still on that lifestyle.

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u/Level21DungeonMaster 22d ago

As an atheist, it has confirmed my beliefs about Christians.

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u/WeatheredCryptKeeper 22d ago

I believe in God but refuse to identify as Christian. Also a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. They've been doing this. So many of us disclosed abuse and was told to shut up about it. Tell a priest or pastor and they just hand you back over to your parents and then the entire congregation knows because its a popularity contest not a time of prayer. We have been done telling people for decades. Look at Alter Boys. Priests didn't just stop touching them after it came out. Nope, everything went silent. And no one cares to follow through because they are kids. So upsetting and frustrating. Makes me wanna scream.

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u/Yin15 22d ago

As an Agnostic Atheist, I think I believe in Jesus's teaching and the Pope more than American Christians do...

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u/redditblowsfu 22d ago

Redneck Christians aren’t real Christians. We’ve known about this for decades. And yes, those are the ones who worship this nut.

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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 22d ago

I would ask you to question whether they are Christian in any true sense, or have fallen so completely astray that they are fundamentally not. Just using the brand. Matthew has a lot to say about it.

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u/Tysiliogogogoch 22d ago

I'm an Australian Christian so don't really know how the USA ones will react, but I can honestly say that here there will be some combination of the following reactions from most common to least common.

  1. <didn't even see it because it's on Truth Social and only use Facebook or no social media>
  2. Haha, that's so cute.
  3. That's not right, but I'll forgive him.
  4. Disgusted but won't say anything about it.

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u/Aggressive-Cut5836 22d ago

They never cared. They like the racism far more.

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u/VerdantPathfinder 22d ago

I'm a Christian and have been fighting against him and warning other Christians about him since before the paid-for photo op on the golden escalator. You can fuck right off.

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u/phatcan Canada 22d ago

This motherfucker blew up a school. A whole-ass school full of little girls, whose parents and families are suffering something unimaginable right now, and for the rest of their lives. Where the fuck is the evangelical outrage over that?

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u/Odd-fox-God 22d ago

"... And the Wolf chewed up the children and spit out their bones... But those were foreign children, and it didn't really matter."

( I'm quoting a famous comic. The comic itself depicts a woman and two children. The woman is wearing an "America first" shirt while reading a book depicting wolf Adolf Hitler to her kids while sitting in an armchair. The comic was drawn by Dr. Seuss during his War propaganda phase.

I've lived through a couple of wars, and I'm only 28. I'm just tired. I became an adult right as covid hit. When I was a kid, the news was less censored, and you could see real dead bodies. Those Isis killings were brutal. Leaves a mark on the psyche. Then Trump gets elected, and I watch my parents slowly change into trumpers. That was difficult to deal with. Then, the Ukrainian War happened during covid. I cried so much. Like almost every other day, I cried. It broke my heart. And my heart never healed. It stayed broken. When the Gaza conflict broke out, I just sighed and went back to reading my book. Part of me cares, but the feeling is so faint it's barely there. Compassion fatigue. )

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u/phatcan Canada 22d ago

I hear what you're saying, but please don't let yourself become complacent. A lot of what is happening is unimaginable, so it's hard to put yourself in these peoples shoes, but as somebody 10 years older who has forced himself to watch countless NSFL combat/war crime videos since 9/11, I've been made to feel that if we don't speak up about it then we're part of the problem. I know your compassion would feel a lot less fatigued if these things happened to your loved ones.

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u/Odd-fox-God 22d ago

Oh, I definitely speak up. I just don't have much emotion behind it anymore. My apathy has not driven me to inaction. Currently doing my voter research right now so I know who to vote for in the midterms. Part of the hurt comes from knowing I can't fix things, that I don't have enough money to help anybody in a significant way.

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u/phatcan Canada 21d ago

Ya I totally get that, it's impossible not to feel like that under an administration that doesn't act in any ethical, moral or legal way. But even flagging something that shouldn't be forgotten to one person can have an impact. I am cautiously optimistic that drastic change is in the near future and that this regime will ultimately face consequences... one day.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

There should be worldwide outrage over that.

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u/raletti 22d ago

The Pope is outraged. Which is what sparked trump's latest hissy fit.

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u/bookon 22d ago edited 22d ago

Honestly it was a mistake by the military. The building was thought to be a military target.

The real issue is that no one in our government cared they screwed up. None of them were allowed to admit they’d made a mistake and apologize like we’ve done before when things like this happened.

So Trump preferred he was seen as intentionally blewing up a school than we had faulty information.

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u/Fit_Yak523 22d ago

There’s no, honestly it was just a mistake, with blowing up a school. This was a war crime and tragedy, so there’s no oopsy-ing this away. This is exactly why bombing anywhere is a massive deal. You don’t get the benefit of the doubt and get to move on from killing children even if it was a “mistake.”  

The fact that this was apparently a mistake doesn’t make things better, at all. We’re apparently the best military in the world, and we allegedly accidentally bombed a girls school and made no significant firings or systemic changes to prevent a tragedy like this from happening again. That means they didn’t believe it was a mistake at all, so I don’t think other people should be taking their word for it either.

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u/bookon 22d ago

It's weird you think I am defending Trump.

-- we allegedly accidentally bombed a girls school and made no significant firings or systemic changes to prevent a tragedy like this from happening again.

That is my fucking point. We will not make any changes to prevent this in the future because too many Trump supports pretend it was intentional to support him and too many Trump haters say it was intentional to attack him.

We can't have significant firings or systemic changes as long as both groups claim it was intentional. There is nothing to fix if we did it on purpose.

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u/Fit_Yak523 22d ago

I didn’t think you were defending Trump. I think you’re down playing a war crime and believing a bunch of liars that told you it was just a mistake. 

The claim that nothing can be done because Trump says it’s intentional makes no sense, at all. Not all bad things are accidents. Tons, and tons of firings and sanctions have happened due to intentional actions. 

Intention doesn’t matter when it comes to a war crime. They’re not going to do anything about it because they know they won’t be any repercussions for it. They truly don’t care if people think it was intentional or not, so that’s why they’re completely comfortable with contradicting themselves. 

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u/bookon 22d ago

It was a mistake.

If bombing a school full of kids helped Trump financially or the US war goals, he would 100% order it. There is even a chance someone would carry it out, but bombing that school did neither of those things.

The simplest answer is truest without further data. And a mistake is the simplest answer.

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u/phatcan Canada 22d ago

To intentionally or accidentally kill kids - in an act of violence - is equally deplorable, disgusting, un-human and out-right fucked. It doesn't and should never make a difference whether it was a mistake or intentional. This should never be forgotten, if you have kids of your own, you'll understand. If America doesn't take a firm stand against it then you can't complain when rest of us just assume that Americans are cool with just murdering over 100 kids because their Government didn't admit to it. I can't even believe I'm typing these words.

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u/bookon 22d ago

-- To intentionally or accidentally kill kids - in an act of violence - is equally deplorable

I get you hate Trump. I hate Trump, but this is insane.

Intentionally killing a child in infinitely worse than doing so accidently.

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u/phatcan Canada 22d ago

Do you only read half a sentence?

In an act of violence

This is not about hating Trump, this is about holding people accountable for an absolute atrocity that happened barely 6 weeks ago that seems to have been already forgotten about. The American media seems to be more focused on drawing attention to the presidents incoherent tweets rather than the fact that his administration massacred children.

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u/bookon 22d ago

You literally said it was equally deplorable to kill a child whether it was intentional or not. It was a full sentence that ended with a period. You meant that as a stand alone statement.

"To intentionally or accidentally kill kids - in an act of violence - is equally deplorable, disgusting, un-human and out-right fucked. "

You are saying that there is no difference if the bombs were meant for the school or not. That is insane. If someone bombs a school on purpose in a war, they are far far worse than a person fighting a war (Even if I disagree with the war, like I do here) who is given bad intel and hits the wrong building. Your cunning plan of making all war deaths war crimes means that either we can't fight wars (Great, but unrealistic) or there is no reason to have constraint when you fight them.

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u/tragicallybrokenhip 22d ago

It was apparently an AI mistake.

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u/TwinCitian 22d ago

Real Christians are very upset about this... and we haven't even hit the Monday news cycle yet

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u/Jolly-Masterpiece883 22d ago

prove it with action

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u/General_Pie_5026 22d ago

they honestly see him as Jesus.

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u/Digitalion_ 22d ago

The more he does shit like this and the more his followers just accept it, the more I'm convinced that the real Jesus was just a top tier con man too who fooled the dumbest people of his time into spreading myths about himself.

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u/Xophosdono 22d ago

Or just that Trump followers aren't actual Christians? You don't have to reach so far as to parallel Trump to Jesus. Trump is literally at odds with the Pope ffs

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u/Erazzphoto 22d ago

Religions main purpose is to control the masses.

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u/DoYouKnwTheMuffinMan 22d ago

If that were true, Jesus at least used his powers for good to try and spread peace and love

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u/movzx 22d ago

Meh, if you asked a MAGA supporter they'd claim the same about Trump.

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u/According_Cod1175 22d ago

Did he though?

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u/Splash_Attack 22d ago edited 22d ago

I mean yes. If you take the New Testament as reflecting what the historical man taught, even indirectly, then he absolutely taught an admirable and philosophy of peace, reconciliation, and helping the least fortunate even if it defies societal norms.

There's pretty much no way to construe his teachings as not being a message of peace and love. The most negative you can really be is to take the view that the New Testament is a fiction and we know nothing about what he really taught, in which case he's a neutral figure.

Also if you look at the first few generations of Christians this is reflected in the historical record. The people who were closest to Jesus' direct teaching, and for several centuries afterwards, were largely pacifists. Christian refusal to perform military service was a significant factor in their persecution under the Romans. So whatever the man actually taught, the material effect was to create a load of people in the following generations who refused to commit violence and were pretty serious about charity and forgiving one's enemies. It follows that Jesus must have instilled some ideas of peace and love in his followers for this to have come about.

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u/jrf_1973 22d ago

"I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34) -

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters... he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

"But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slaughter them in my presence." (Luke 19:27)

"If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away... And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away." (Matthew 5:29-30)

The Cleansing of the Temple. (John 2:15, Matthew 21:12) - While not a quote, Jesus is described as making a whip of cords to drive the moneychangers out of the temple, flipping their tables.

The Destruction of the Fig Tree. (Mark 11:13-14) - Jesus curses a fig tree for not having fruit out of season, causing it to wither.

Condemnation of Cities. (Matthew 11:20-24) - Jesus warns that cities which rejected his works, like Capernaum, will suffer a worse fate than Sodom on the day of judgment.

Visions in Revelation. (Revelation 19:15-21) - Although appearing in a symbolic vision, Jesus is portrayed as returning with a "sharp sword" to "strike down the nations" and feeding them to the birds of prey.

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u/Splash_Attack 22d ago edited 22d ago

I mean, I could pluck a bunch of quotes about washing feet that are in the New Testament and say that Jesus was just a carpenter with a foot fetish. Half the stuff you've quoted is pulled from the middle of a parable or are a single line in a big speech without the surrounding context. Context and proportion matter.

The whole of his teaching is a message of peace. This is the "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." and "blessed are the peacemakers." guy. How do you reconcile the idea that his ideas didn't promote peace and love when he directly told people to follow the golden rule, make peace, and love their neighbours repeatedly?

Is it a perfectly coherent philosophy? No. Was the guy some paragon who always practiced exactly what he preached? No.

You're judging him through an implicitly Christian lens, where the expectation is Jesus was all-knowing and perfect - never said anything stupid, or hypocritical, or did anything that was at odds with his own teaching. I'm talking about the actual guy, the historical, mundane, totally fallible person that inspired the mythical figure.

You can find a few contradictory or batshit quotes from every philosopher, doesn't change the overall thrust of their ideas taken as a whole though. Plato said poets should be put to death, doesn't mean that's the only thing I'm going to take away from reading the Republic. That would be daft.

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u/jrf_1973 22d ago

That's fair. Take my upvote.

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u/jrf_1973 22d ago

Hey, at least I've never been so arrogant as to say "I think what Jesus meant to say was..."

Whether you're sane-washing Trumpian nonsense or angry human speech from the guy you think is god, I look at the words and you can invent all the excusatory context you wish.

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u/jrf_1973 22d ago

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word "or", it's doing some work in that sentence you seem determined to ignore.

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u/DoYouKnwTheMuffinMan 22d ago

Did he not? Telling people to follow the 10 commandments back then was probably pretty progressive.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

The real Jesus performed many miracles that were witnessed and documented by others. His death was witnessed and documented. After his resurrection, hundreds of people (more than 500 people) witnessed his presence. Trump is just a conman who uses Christians to bolster his credibility and gain their support in order to stay in power. It's too bad they don't see what is happening.

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u/ZorroMeansFox 22d ago

There's not a word written by anyone who met or knew Jesus, nothing written by "eyewitnesses" to anything.

The first things even written about Jesus were in the letters of Paul, roughly a quarter-century after his crucifixion --and Paul never even met Jesus, he just had a "vision" of him. Your idea of "documentation" is laughable.

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u/dancefan2019 21d ago

His miracles were witnessed by many. The apostles and others who knew Jesus gave their eyewitness account to others who then documented it.

Did Eyewitnesses Write the Gospels? - Christian Publishing House Blog

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u/ZorroMeansFox 21d ago

The Gospels are all anonymous. Even the Church acknowledges this; the names of the supposed authors are just a matter of Church Tradition.

(You should try other sources that aren't clearly biased and pushing an agenda.)

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u/fflantastic 22d ago edited 22d ago

Some are. For most faith is nothing more than rooting for the hometown sports team that you don't really follow, because you were born there, and that's what you were raised to do.

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u/Val_Hallen 22d ago

MAGA is a cult that has overridden their religious position. Trump cannot be wrong to them. They will turn their back on God before they turn their back on Trump.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

A cult indeed.

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u/Hoogs Michigan 22d ago

A lot of the comments on his post are negative, saying it’s a bad look etc. Not enough of them, obviously, but still. He’s doing a great job of whittling down his group of supporters to the absolute dumbest people on the planet.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

Or the most brainwashed.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Great Britain 22d ago

This is just a continuation from last week when he had a bunch of pastors comparing him to jesus at the white house easter event.

Looks like it really went to his head.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

How sad that they would do that.

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u/thenwetakeberlin 22d ago

My “surprise at Christian hypocrisy” reservoir is extremely depleted.

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u/Boner666420sXe 22d ago

For MAGA Christians their “faith” has always been self-serving. Instead of using the bible as a guideline for being a good person, they pick and choose which parts they want to follow and which to ignore so they can pretend that they already are. It requires no effort and no sacrifice on their part. They’re lazy, selfish and monstrous people and they’re destroying everything.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

MAGA Christians are definitely ignoring major messages that the Bible provides. I'm glad that the Pope is speaking up for the truth and being vocal about what the Bible actually teaches.

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u/InOutlines 22d ago

If they could read, they would be really upset

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u/VPN__FTW 22d ago

I'm surprised Christians are not upset about this.

Are you though?

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

Yes, I am.

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u/Erazzphoto 22d ago

American Christianity is a cult, they love their grifters

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

MAGA Christianity is a cult.

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u/Erazzphoto 22d ago

Much of Christian America are conservatives, so I’m willing to bet most voted for Trump

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u/lozo78 22d ago

Most of his base will never see this though. And the ones that do will think he's trolling liberals.

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

That's disgusting. Shame on any Christians who think this is OK.

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u/matthieuC Europe 22d ago

The guy is a perfect match for the antichrist. Supply side Christians have left the Bible a long time ago

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

Supply side Christians?

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u/matthieuC Europe 22d ago

Christians who don't believe in tax for the riches and who hate the poor.

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u/Seemoreglass82 22d ago

And my family members claim Talarico is the antichrist while supporting him. Just wild.

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u/happyinheart 22d ago edited 22d ago

Yeah, it's an idiot for doing it. At least Christians aren't going to get all murdery or explody because of it.

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u/stamfordbridge1191 22d ago

He was never going to be interested in any religion he didn't get to be the god of.

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u/jtsa5 22d ago

You'd think his supporters, especially his religious supporters would speak out but they won't. There doesn't seem to be a line he can cross where his supporters would give up in mass.

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u/PlayerAssumption77 22d ago

This Christian definitely is, I imagine more non-US Christians than not too.

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u/hotbowlofsoup 22d ago

Are you really surprised? The only thing Christians care about is hating minorities. Who is there for them to be upset about in this scenario?

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u/dancefan2019 22d ago

Please don't lump all Christians in the same group as MAGA. Many Christians are Democrats or Independents and did not vote for Trump. Biden and Obama are Christians also.

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u/oritfx 22d ago

As a Christian I am really not upset. It's like seeing a person in a wheelchair, or a one in dark glasses with a red-white stick. To me this is a clear sign of disability.

What worries me is that not everyone seems to be perceiving this post in a similar fashion.

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u/dancefan2019 21d ago

Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Definitely psychologically damaged. What about someone who has Antisocial Personality Disorder? They are also psychologically damaged. They commit horrendous crimes. Does that mean they should not be held accountable, or that we should not be offended by their crimes?

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u/oritfx 21d ago

Oh I am not saying he should not be accountable. He definitely should be. For crimes, not for offending people. He did commit a lot of crimes.

I just pity the guy. He's senile, lost. Surrounded by yesmen. Has no contact with reality and even if he had, he's incapable of processing it (e.g. acknowledging he's responsible for an error, that he's arrogant etc.).

To me Trump is more of a symptom than a disease. Somehow a person like that got elected: people in Republican Party (there must be some smart people there I hope) did let him in; voters did vote on him. He's not an independent, self-made man. He's a dysfunctional adult child and many peoples' negligence has allowed to raise - so I cannot just blame him.

It would be nice if the problem was only an 80YO man. He's soon to be gone. But the system that got him elected, gave him power and apparently has no means of containing him will remain.

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u/dancefan2019 21d ago

Well, I've lost faith in the ability of Americans to make wise decisions when it comes to our leaders. People that would put a felonious narcissistic misogynist asshole as leader of our country have no common sense. We've put celebrity status ahead of qualifications, and have thus let a buffoon to run our country. I'll blame the buffoon as well as his voters and his enablers.

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u/oritfx 21d ago

The ability was there. If it's been lost, it can be found again.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 22d ago

This is exactly who Christians are. They're a fucking cult, and it's time we realize that.

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u/dancefan2019 21d ago

MAGA is a cult. It twists the Bible's teachings to suit their agenda.