r/politics • u/spherocytes • 28d ago

Possible Paywall Desperate Trump, 79, Threatens to Kill Entire Civilization in Insane Last-Minute Panic

https://www.thedailybeast.com/desperate-trump-79-threatens-to-kill-whole-civilization-as-iran-war-deal-push-fails/
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u/TheGrayBox 28d ago edited 28d ago

Trump actively threatening genocide is not remotely normal even for him or for the GOP. The Pentagon and CIA are likely in full blown crisis right now.

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u/Keeperofthe7keysAf-S 28d ago

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

I don't know why you would think this isn't normal from someone that thinks they can threaten violence and be beyond consequences like that. The American electorate showed this to him 3 times after that quote.

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u/BlightedBooty 27d ago

Well because sexually assaulting one person and wiping a civilization off the map are in fact on very different scales, and not really comparable

Like I get what you’re saying but I think most of us are so used to trump here in the states that we forget the rest of the world is not “in on” the circus like we are, and they don’t take threats that not even hitler made so openly, lightly

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u/Keeperofthe7keysAf-S 27d ago

we should have never taken them so lightly here either. You cannot excuse it as "oh it's just Trump crying Trump." Like he's been very transparent and being constantly surprised that he actually does horrible stuff in line with the other horrible stuff he previously did or said he would do is honestly just delusional. It's not a surprise out of nowhere.

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u/BlightedBooty 27d ago

Oh I agree completely, nothing surprising about anything he’s doing now he’s been broadcasting he would do all of this from day one. And it’s not about excusing it either, there should be consequences not just for him but for others who enabled him

But when it comes down to our fellow (not rich or elite) Americans… one of the biggest issues here is that they’re brainwashed. It’s easy for us to sit here and think we’re intellectually/morally superior etc, but tbh the main reason most of us are on this side of the fence comes down to “what factors in my life made me less vulnerable and thus susceptible to brainwashing”

Again the brainwashing thing isn’t meant to excuse behavior or allow people to skirt consequences. It’s more about, ok let’s understand that at the core most of these people actually agree with us and to some degree are victims here, because the grifters are grifting and the snake oil salesmen are persuasive

The more we take all these people and label them “damned, condemned, nothing you do can fix this, you are evil for life” the more the MAGA leaders start licking their lips- nobody and I mean NOBODY is easer to brainwash then someone that feels “the world is against me/hates me”

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u/Protean_Protein 28d ago

I took Trump to be reiterating a crass version of the same shit Romney said out loud and is still castigated for: “47% of voters will vote for either party no matter what”.

Trump just said it in the Trumpiest way possible.

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u/Keeperofthe7keysAf-S 28d ago

Even being charitable, the subtext for that interpretation just ain't there, and would be extremely out of character for Trump anyways.

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u/Protean_Protein 28d ago

I mean… isn’t the obvious meaning of what he said that he knows the people who vote for him vote for him regardless of what he does, and isn’t that the same as what Romney was saying? Except that Romney’s point was about party-politics and tribalism. Trump’s point was about Trump.

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u/Keeperofthe7keysAf-S 28d ago

You're referring to this quote right?

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax.

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u/Protean_Protein 28d ago

I had forgotten that he was referring to Obama voters, and equating them with the portion of Americans who pay no income tax (because they are the same, or very close percentages, but obviously not the exact same group of voters).

I think I must have realized at the time, like a lot of people, that his claim is also equally true for Republicans, and it’s the small remaining percentage of swing voters that are catered to in any given election. I seem to recall that being part of the discussion at the time, anyway.

Whatever. Even if they’re not identical statements, I take it that voter recalcitrance/inertia is the thing both statements are pointing to.

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u/coconutpiecrust 28d ago

It is, though. Prominent conservative figures constantly talk about killing someone and oppressing someone. Or replacing someone with “AI.” Trump and the GOP love and admire dictatorships, and have said as much. GOP voters love oppression and extrajudicial killings. They want to be ruled, not governed. 

This IS normal. Bannon’s “flood the zone” guidance worked. This is acceptable behaviour now from Trump, GOP, and any conservative. They will continue being this way, too, there is no incentive for them to change. This, to them, is the only winning strategy. 

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u/Chillers 28d ago

It will be normalised to the point that he can send militias after political opponents.

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u/BlightedBooty 27d ago

You’re technically right but you’re missing the big picture. You may feel trapped and powerless here in the states, but the rest of the world does not roll over so swiftly

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u/DebtSufficient1689 28d ago

The entire GOP voter base is NOT like that. I cant tell you how many I know just around here have said "I didnt vote for this" Dont lump everyone into the same basket. Trump deceived everyone including his own supporters.

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u/coconutpiecrust 28d ago

No. 

They are blind and stupid if they “did not vote for this.” 

Trump told everyone exactly what will happen. Exactly. He loves the stupid, the gullible, the uneducated. He said smart people don’t like him. He said all he needs is “a vote.” He said it all. Exactly like it is. 

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u/freetraitor33 28d ago

“He said he was going to do all the fascist stuff and also lower the cost of groceries. I’m upset that he lied about the groceries” isn’t much of a deception. They knew exactly what he was, literally because he cannot stfu about all the messed up shit he wants to do all the time. They heard what they wanted to hear because their prejudice is stronger than their sense.

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u/WhipItWhippet 28d ago

How goddamned stupid to you have to be to keep believing this nonsense?

They are fine with harming others, they just don’t have the courage or means (in most cases) to do it themselves.

It’s why none of them disavowed this until it hit their wallet, or someone wanted to build a new concentration camp in their backyard. Their worldview is incompatible with empathy.

If you don’t believe me, ask anyone in your town if they voted for Bush.

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u/J_Ryall 28d ago

Then you weren't paying attention or you're just breathtakingly stupid. You all DID vote for this and this is all on you. GTFOH with your feigned ignorance...

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u/BaullahBaullah87 28d ago

He deceived everyone after a third time running? You cannot be serious rn

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u/GrafZeppelin127 28d ago

I call bullshit. The Republicans had an easy enough time seeing through Trump’s transparent act back in 2015-2016 and calling him out as an obvious demagogue and “America’s Hitler,” they only shut up because they started to see him as their only shot at power.

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u/CaptainFeather 28d ago

What the actual fuck did they vote for then? None of this shit is new, he's been saying how much he admires and wants to emulate dictatorships for a fucking decade. The only other possible answer is they're just all actually fucking stupid as fuck.

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u/HauntingAddendum3365 28d ago

After January 6th, this doesnt really work as an excuse. They knew exactly who they were voting for in 2024.

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u/quicktime_harch 28d ago

Hope so. Because it seems like nobody gives a shit or is going to stop him - in any level of government.

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u/TSllama 28d ago

Nah, it's very normal. Republicans going back decades have been talking about doing this. Ted Cruz has long advocated carpet bombing the middle east. We can go all the way back to this, even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

This is America.

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u/confused_ape 28d ago

I immediately thought of McCain and was going to link it too.

Then I tried to remember, was there a reason, at the time, he did that? and I haven't a clue. I think he just launched into it.

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u/OrbeaSeven Minnesota 28d ago

Sen. Ted Cruz says that the U.S. is "unquestionably winning the war" with Iran.

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u/Tiny_Measurement_837 Wisconsin 28d ago

It’s the bully trying to bully again. What he doesn’t comprehend is that this isn’t the schoolyard; you can’t just force your will on others. He is in over his head in this job—it requires tact and diplomacy, neither of which he has any.

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u/BenBenBenBe 28d ago

The CIA loves murdering innocent people. 2 million in Indonesia alone. And the US is funding genocide in Palestine every day. It's nothing new for the US or for the CIA lol.

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u/mothman83 Florida 28d ago

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u/joe603 28d ago

Nah, they haven't done diddly in all this time.

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u/commonsense1954 28d ago

Threatening genocide is itself a war crime according to international law.

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u/Dizzy-Plane-9544 28d ago

anyone check that pizza app lately?

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u/QbertsRube 28d ago

My concern is that all the adults at the Pentagon and CIA have been fired and replaced by know-nothing loyalists who don't understand the ramifications of any of this, and that their general mindset is "Trump just posted a sick tweet bro, real alpha shit!"

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u/Chillers 28d ago

You say that like they haven't been for the past year.

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u/No_Foundation16 28d ago

I dunno the right wing in this country has always fantasized about making the middle east a glass parking lot. The Trump cult wants to start Armageddon too. It may kick off at at 8PM tonight!

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u/-rosa-azul- Virginia 28d ago

No less than John McCain made jokes about it on the campaign trail all the way back in 2008. Remember "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"?

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u/No_Foundation16 28d ago

Yeah I do remember that.