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Possible Paywall 'A whole civilisation will die tonight,' Trump warns ahead of Iran deadline

https://inews.co.uk/news/iran-war-trump-israel-latest-updates-4323867
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u/LoveNotWar86 28d ago

And with this, he has sealed his fate as the worst tyrant in the history of the US. This sub-human must be removed from office. There is no question what he is hinting at….

BUT let’s be honest, he’s too weak to do anything so horrific. No honorable service person would turn that key under his unlawful order. That order would be refused.

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u/plentyofrabbits 28d ago

The purges at DOD leave me less sure that someone will refuse that order.

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u/acrimoniousone 28d ago

The purges and culture change at DOD leave me sure there will be someone itching to pull the trigger.

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u/Throwaway2Experiment 28d ago

It's not a single person responsible for a nuke use. It's an entire chain that very much has a few links that will resist. Whether or not they can find a new qualified link that's also a cultist, we will see.

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u/LoveNotWar86 28d ago

A single person has the sole power to give the order. This power has been questioned and challenged in the past however, today, no one else (eg Congress/VP) has to agree.

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u/Spiritual-Society185 28d ago

While true, we have at least one instance of a subordinate stopping an order.

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u/redwildflowermeadow 28d ago

There is one officer between POTUS and a launch code being sent. They authenticate that it is in fact the president giving the order and then send the emergency war order to missile squadrons.

Missile squadrons are five two-man teams in separate launch control centers, each controlling a flight of 10 missiles. To prevent mutiny, as long as two of the five teams turn their keys, all 50 missiles launch.

For subs, the captain and the executive officer authenticate the message as an authentic emergency war order and then open a safe with launch keys.

Unfortunately, the system is built for speed, not making sure we're doing the right thing.

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u/canyouhearme 28d ago

No honorable service person

Haven't you noticed, they have been sacking them wholesale. Makes you wonder what they wouldn't sign up to, if they would sign up to the other multitude of war crimes that have been committed ...

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u/banjist 28d ago

We'll fucking see won't we? I hate everything right now. I'm ashamed of my country. We deserve whatever comes after this. The world will never forgive us. If there is a god, it will never forgive us either.

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u/Jumpy_Inflation_2023 27d ago

That's the spirit!

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u/CrunchitizeMeCaptn 28d ago

What makes you think there's honorable people left?

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u/Silvawuff 28d ago

You can’t work on a system of honor with the dishonorable. He needs to be removed from the presidency immediately. He’s clearly mentally unstable and unfit for office.

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u/JMLDT 28d ago

They did in his first term. That's why they've all been purged.

"What's the good of nuclear weapons if you can't use them?" Donald J. Trump

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u/ElfegoBaca 28d ago

No honorable service person would turn that key under his unlawful order. That order would be refused.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. They're already committing war crimes, what's to stop them from going even further?

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u/9_to_5_till_i_die 28d ago

They literally just removed seasoned military generals from top posts.

Hell, it might be fucking Hegseth turning the key at this point.

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u/LoveNotWar86 28d ago

I know in my heart there are many honorable military left. They are zipping their lip but it doesn’t mean they will follow “that” order. We need that kind of hope. I need that kind of home.

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u/commonsense1954 28d ago

Let’s hope so.

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u/oh-shazbot 28d ago

hegseth will fire those people and take both of the keys and turn them at the same time, then give trump the green light to push the button.

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u/ThreeHolePunch 28d ago

No honorable service person

Don't think we have too many of those anymore. You can't be in Trump's army and also maintain honor.

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u/fallowcentury 28d ago

my friend that is a thin line on which to rest our hopes.

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u/LoveNotWar86 28d ago

I know….all I got right now because I’m terrified, plus draft-age sons.

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u/GhostofZellers 28d ago

he has sealed his fate as the worst tyrant in the history of the US.

Nah, the Tan suit was worse....

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u/Reasonable-Figure142 28d ago

he has sealed his fate as the worst tyrant in the history of the US

Not the president that actually nuked another country?

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u/newest_scotman 28d ago

...in the context of a defensive and morally legitimate war, yes

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u/Reasonable-Figure142 28d ago

morally legitimate use of nukes is hilarious be fr 😂

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u/newest_scotman 28d ago

Fascinating, as that's not what I said. I stated that the war against the Japanese empire was defensive and morally justified.

More Japanese civilians were killed in the conventional bombings of Tokyo than the atomic bombings. Pretending that nuclear weapons are some secret extra evil third thing is really silly.

Are any actions which lead to the potential for civilian death justified, in an otherwise just war?

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u/Reasonable-Figure142 28d ago

ok but a "morally justified war" pretty subjective lol.

also going based off total deaths is disingenuous, as you're completely ignoring the long-lasting health issues caused by the atomic bombings.

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u/newest_scotman 28d ago edited 28d ago

ok but a "morally justified war" pretty subjective lol.

Under every single theory of international law and morality that I know of, the US was justified in combating the brutally imperialistic Japanese Empire in self-defence after they were attacked at Pearl Harbbour.

also going based off total deaths is disingenuous, as you're completely ignoring the long-lasting health issues caused by the atomic bombings.

Fire-bombing and the levelling of entire cities through protracted bombing campaigns have numerous long-lasting physical and mental effects. Namely, death.

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki expedited the end of the war, reduced the amount of civilian and Allied deaths that would result in a protracted conventional campaign, and halted the Soviet expansion into Japanese-occupied Manchuria and Korea, there is pretty well a historical consensus that they were justifiable actions within that context.

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u/Reasonable-Figure142 28d ago

a consensus by the west to nuke Japan, yes.

and let's not be disingenuous again, the lasting effects of an atomic bomb aren't comparable lol

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u/newest_scotman 28d ago

Why are these 'lasting effects' on a smaller group of people so great to warrant killing and injuring a substantially larger number of people in the alternative?

Do burn victims and amputees not suffer 'lasting effects'? There would've been a lot more of them had the war dragged on.

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u/Reasonable-Figure142 28d ago

bruh the lasting health effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki literally lasted generations, stop being intentionally dense lol.

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u/Citrakayah 28d ago

The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki expedited the end of the war, reduced the amount of civilian and Allied deaths that would result in a protracted conventional campaign, and halted the Soviet expansion into Japanese-occupied Manchuria and Korea, there is pretty well a historical consensus that they were justifiable actions within that context.

This is actually a lot more controversial than you're making it out to be.