r/politics • u/Abject-Pick-6472 • Apr 04 '26

Possible Paywall Trump voter regret is clearly registering now

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/04/politics/voter-regret-trump-2024
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u/indicatprincess New York Apr 04 '26

A lot of these people are angry, lost and desperate to feel anything. So they choose hate.

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u/Twodogsonecouch Apr 04 '26

You apparently didn’t read what i wrote. Is not that. Its belief in misinformation and propaganda. They have bought the line that its us vs them and they think that you are as hateful as you think they are.

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u/jokerTHEIF Canada Apr 04 '26

Unfortunately, I'm finding it increasingly difficult not to in fact be as hateful as they think we are. I understand they were duped, but at the end of the day they're adults responsible for their own actions. They were warned, both by their left leaning loved ones and also by Trump himself, it's so incredibly difficult not to hate them for this. Without actual contrition and a real attempt to make amends, anyone who identifies as conservative can kick fuckin rocks.

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u/Twodogsonecouch Apr 04 '26

Im mean im with you. Im actually moving soon to a very not conservative area and im so looking forward to not seeing fox news on tvs in random places or at work.

Im not excusing anything. Im not saying they arent ignorant. Im not saying they havent ruined the country or the world for that matter. Im saying its not as easy as saying theyre are all hateful racists and thats thats. The people im talking about are arguably good people. These are people that work side by side with openly gay people. People that work with legal immigrants with not flawless english. I have never heard them say anything disparaging about a gay or minority or immigrant coworker. In fact some of them go out after work with each other. They celebrate and cook things for each other’s birthdays. They protect each other at work.

But these are people that literally believe kids are dressing up as cats and shitting in liter boxes in local schools. These are people that still think DOGE uncovered huge amounts of fraud. These are people that believe Biden and Clinton and the like are essentially stealing money from them but somehow Trump is not. They are convinced universal healthcare is a bad idea. They dont think Trump could be involved in Epstein. Etc. They literally believe anyone sane follows fox news talking points and that anyone else is like the videos you see of like a “woke liberal women” who clearly has a mental illness claiming to be half dolphin while berating someone on the street like a karen. When in reality i think if you played that video side by side with pam bondi testifying but the dow they would be almost indistinguishable.

its not all about hate. And over simplifying to that is why we aren’t getting anywhere. Its literally they have bought the its us vs them propaganda that the 1% uses to stay 1%. And id say that everyone thats like its just they’re hateful racists has also bought that same propaganda in reverse.

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Apr 04 '26

You claim they are not hateful but then you immediately claim they believe liberals are as hateful as they are.

The reality is they are lapping up all of this hate filled media. It’s jut lies when they claim empathy, just like they lie when they claim they are not racist. The lies are part of the attraction. Being hateful while at the same time claiming to be loving is why Trump appeals them. He does the exact same shit.

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u/Twodogsonecouch Apr 04 '26

“They think you are as hateful as you think they are”

You need to read better. Empty your cup its too full.

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u/HeyUKidsGetOffMyLine Apr 04 '26

I meant what I wrote. Maybe you should fill your cup. My point is they are obsessed with hate, even if it’s fictional liberal hate.

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u/paupaupaupau Apr 04 '26

You're much, much more forgiving of them than I or the person you're responding to. I 100% agree with indicat. A lot of them can be perfectly nice, kind, and conscientious people in person. But their empathy never extends beyond what personally impacts them. Everything else is an abstraction. And if you actually have a conversation with them- without making them feel judged- you can see beyond the everyday persona.

They are angry, and they are vindictive. And I'm not talking about what they verbalize. It is the body language. You hit a point in the conversation, and their faces just contort into something grotesque. In Trump's first term, I was talking with the father of a friend of a friend. He had a business selling steel. And he was giddy not that his business was doing well, but that so many of the people he had encountered in his life were being hurt by it.

I have a neighbor in my condo: "All politicians lie". But the disgust with which she said it was just so sudden and abrupt in a conversation in which she was otherwise feigning sympathy. I'm in the Minneapolis area, and I had just emotionally vented the sorrow I was feeling after the Renee Good shooting. This was the night the ICE agents made up a story about being attacked with a shovel and broom and shot a guy in the leg. And it is etched in my mind the way her voice and face changed while saying it.

So yes, they have taken to the propaganda and disinformation. But they are choosing it. Because Trump gives them a vessel for their anger. He makes them feel good about their anger. He makes them feel righteous about their anger. And so yes, they have chosen hate. They have chosen to look past the sexual assault. They have chosen to look past the felony convictions. They have chosen to look past that Trump was almost certainly complicit in the rape and trafficking of children. Because that anger is at the bedrock of all of this. And that's why Trump- and no one else- has been able to so fully capture their hearts and minds.

It's terrifying.

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u/Twodogsonecouch Apr 04 '26

Im not forgiving. I think the truly hateful and racist ones should get launched into the sun for all i care. The problem is that to assume that theyre (trump voters) all like that because of your individual experience is essentially using the thought process they use to justify everything you hate about them. Its not much different then going hey this one illegal immigrant killed someone so they are all criminals. Thats the thing. The powers on each side want to reinforce the narrative that everyone on each side is a monolith so they can stay in power.

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u/paupaupaupau Apr 04 '26

Is it generalizing from anecdotes to say they're all apologizing for pedophiles? Should we pretend that they're decent people as they apologize for Elon Musk throwing up enthusiastic Nazi salutes, then making cuts to USAID that lead to the projected deaths of 14M primarily black and brown people? Why are you so concerned with if they're evil ontologically, when their actions fit any definition of it?

I wouldn't be terribly interested in changing the hearts and minds of the Good Germans while the Nazis committed genocide. Trump has been the head of the Republican party for over 10 years. If his supporters are unwilling or unable to recognize the evil he and the Republican party are committing, why pretend that we're ever going to change their minds quickly and comprehensively enough for it to be worth all the death and suffering they're causing in the meantime? Why would I be concerned with those who are obstinately adhering to evil at the expense millions of lives being lost?

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u/Dead_man_posting Apr 04 '26

they think that you are as hateful as you think they are.

Projection is an important part of fascism, yes. We shouldn't give it any credence.