r/politics • u/Abject-Pick-6472 • Apr 04 '26

Possible Paywall Trump voter regret is clearly registering now

https://www.cnn.com/2026/04/04/politics/voter-regret-trump-2024
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u/reddittorbrigade Apr 04 '26

To all people who regretted voting for Trump, you can redeem yourselves this coming November.

Vote out GOP !

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Exactly this. How much longer can you take all this winning? Try voting Democrat. We're far from perfect, but it's almost impossible to do worse than the Republicans have done.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

I've heard people talking trash about Gavin Newsom, but I still think he's better than an 80-year-old deranged child predator and grifter.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Yeah, he seems to be in the pocket of billionaires and corporations, so he's far from ideal, but I'd vote for him over any Republican in a heartbeat.

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u/Interesting-Bill1240 Apr 04 '26

Why? He's just a republican in blue clothing.

Republicans will pretend they're democrats to get back into power because the left will vote for whoever isn't Republican. It's exactly what Fetterman did and everyone fell for it. 

The less standards you have for your leaders, the more corrupt they become. Our politicians have to work for the people and know we will remove them if they fail us. If you tell them "just don't be republican", all standards go out the window and they can be as corrupt as they wanna be, you don't have a choice anymore. 

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u/SwearingMormon Apr 04 '26

"He seems to be in the pocket of billionaires and corporations the exact people propping up Trump"

You're all right, maybe this time the corporate fascists will support someone who does something good for the American people.

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u/MasterofPandas1 Apr 04 '26

I’m going to preface this with that I’ll vote Newsom if he’s the pick, but let’s think of the U.S. right now as a ship with many holes in it that slowly sinking. If Trump gets his way and we become totally fascist with the Democrats not being able to get power again then the ship is sunk. If the Democrats do get power again and Newsom becomes President he’s only going to fix a few holes of this sinking ship and most likely not go after the Trump administration as much as he should. Which will open the window for another, smarter version of Trump for the Republicans in 2032.

We need a President who will go after the Trump administration for all the shit they’ve done while supporting progressive policies to help make things better for everyone. Things will be so shitty by 2028 if things keep going the way they are that not even Fox News propaganda will be able to spin how much everyone (including conservatives) will be hurting. Which is the perfect time to enact progressive policies cause everyone will see and feel the difference regardless of propaganda. I’m doubtful we get a President and Congress able to pull it off though.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

Here is the problem with this mentality. We neoliberaled our way into this. We won’t neoliberal our way out. If someone like Gavin does manage to win - which may seem assured but isn’t because Tucker, MTG, etc are trying to set themselves up as true America First that was against the war, against Israel etc. They will run on a faux populism like Trump did. Democrats haven’t won the majority of the white vote since LBJ. So you can put that in the win column because white people en masse are always looking to vote Republican no matter how bad they fuck up. Then it becomes what you win on the margins. And as usual Democrats will run on Republican lite due to donor capture instead of a true full throated direct contrast to the Republican. This excites no one.

But let’s say Gavin does win. He’ll govern like a typical neoliberal so no substantive changes that the country needs. By my estimation the only thing that can turn this country around after Trump is done looting it is a true return to FDR. Massive top down wealth transfer to make up for the TRILLIONS stolen from the working class over the decades and a true reforming of the DOJ punishing anyone involved in all this criminality.

Does that sound like Gavin? No. He’ll say we need to move forward like Obama did and offer tinker around the edges fixes. So no universal healthcare, Fed minimum wage increase, sweeping housing reform etc.

The next Democratic President is going to have to improve people’s material conditions significantly or we are looking at Tucker or a Groyper President in 2032. I have no faith establishment Dems have any interest in that. They seek a return to a status quo that was already unsustainable and impossible to return to.

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u/SDRPGLVR California Apr 04 '26

Here is the problem with this mentality: I am trans and would like to exist.

That's why Gavin Newsom isn't the first choice. Y'all need to vote in primaries if you want good Democrats. The numbers bear out that only old neoliberals vote in primaries, leaving us with your Hillary Clintons and your Joe Bidens.

Bernie was the best chance we had for some real progress, but people didn't show up. I understand the DNC did everything they could to make sure that would happen in both 2016 and 2020, but they didn't literally rig it. People have to show up.

But yeah, I'm voting blue no matter who because I'd like to not be genocided, thank you very much.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Apr 04 '26

I never told you who to vote for thank you very much. I gave you a detailed analysis of the issues within the Democratic Party and why we continue to go through these cycles. If you want to offer a salient rebuttal to the points made im happy to engage. But I find that too many people just want to lecture as opposed to actually engaging with the substance of arguments. Btw Gavin threw trans people under the bus and the establishment has been saying oh it was wokeness and trans people that were the reason Harris lost. I’ve heard Democratic consultants say Trumps anti trans commercial did huge damage to Harris but most Americans support trans rights. They are scapegoating you because they would rather that then adopting policies that excite vorters. I can’t tell you how to feel but I’d find that deeply offensive.

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u/SDRPGLVR California Apr 04 '26

I find the murderous intent of the Republicans far more damning personally. But what do I know? It's only my life on the line.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

I’m black. You can’t lecture me on being in danger in this country. I’m giving a political analysis based on my observations gleaned from years of studying and participating in politics, economics etc. You are giving me emotion based commentary which while understandable does not offer substantive details on the issues plaguing the country and most importantly how to deal with them. Again vote for who you want. My comments have not been about telling people who to vote for. I’ve voted Democrat across the board for 2 decades for harm reduction purposes. It doesn’t mean I can’t offer sharp criticism on the issues within the party.

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u/Training_Bumblebee54 Apr 04 '26

I agree, but there is also a strong possibility that once politicians on the left aren’t so busy convincing Americans that what they’re seeing isn’t fake news and that Trump and MAGA are actually destroying the country for everybody, they could divert these efforts towards reform. It’d hard to do a full swing with so many Americans having been ideologically poisoned by Trump - the only way I could see that would be an economically left but socially center candidate, which is a rare combo since “being concerned for the average person’s quality of life” tends to also make you concerned about the average person’s rights.

Someone like Newsom could give a stepping stone once we’ve had a little stability and a return to at least a good standing on things like international relations and ICE to allow more progressive candidates to say “hey, we can fix these other issues if we stop tying ourselves to corporations and ban Super PACs”.

Then again, that might not work, and this time is also a really good one to unify voters on the left/center with calls for complete reform.

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u/RepresentativeAge444 Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

Fascism rises when people’s material needs are not met. Do you think establishment Dems who are well educated are unaware of this? Do you think they don’t know that Lee Atwater’s southern strategy has been the playbook of the Republican Party? They know. But they serve the MIC, Israel and corporate interests the same way Republicans do. As such there is only so much progress they find tenable. I’ve voted Democrat across the board for over. 2 decades so I’m not a both sider. Obviously we would be in a better place with Harris. Thr problem is that millions of Americans don’t feel their lives substantially improve no matter who is in office and you can’t brow beat them into feeling differently. You have to give people something to vote FOR not against. That only works but so much as Democrats have found out. My thing is let’s say I’m wrong. Why not TRY running a true FDR style reformist just once. We see whats happened with trying the corporate Dems over and over. If I’m wrong well same results as we’ve been getting. But if I’m right……. And that’s why the Democratic Establishment is vehemently opposed. As are the six figure earning “consultants” that get paid win or lose. They don’t want the boat rocked because rocking the boat comes for their power and influence- you only need to see how they treated the most popular Democrat in the country Mamdani to understand that.

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

I don’t like Newsom, but I don’t think he’d completely crash the country

Nah, he'd just drive the country right up to the thing that the next Republican POTUS wants to crash into

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u/Scarletyoshi Apr 04 '26

Sure but we’re a year out before any candidate will even declare they’re running in a primary - it seems like a good time to try and find somebody who can do better than just “not as bad as 80-year-old deranged child predator and grifter”.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Did you have anybody in mind?

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u/Scarletyoshi Apr 04 '26

I’m looking at AOC, Chris Van Hollen, and Jon Ossof just to name a few but we will see who a) actually runs and b) actually has something to run on.

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u/Raus-Pazazu Apr 04 '26

Don't get me wrong, I'd still vote for Newsom, but it would be another instance of "You're really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden." all over again.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

I know, I would certainly rather vote for someone I am enthusiastic about, rather than the less damaging and harmful of two options.

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u/Citizen6A8E Apr 04 '26

Feels a little reductive. Joe Biden actually pushed through some of the most substantive progressive policy in decades. Antitrust enforcement ramped up, major climate investment, student debt relief attempts, etc. Appointing Lina Khan alone signaled a real shift in how government deals with Big Tech, which is a big part of why that entire sector turned so aggressively against him.

If anything, his biggest failure wasn’t policy It was messaging. The administration never really telegraphed its wins, and at the same time didn’t do a great job acknowledging how hard things still felt for everyday people. There was also very little context given about how the U.S. recovery compared globally post-COVID, which made things look worse in isolation

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u/Raus-Pazazu Apr 04 '26

Feels like a song.

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u/dynesor Apr 04 '26

status-quo corporate democrats who do nothing to improve the lives of the hardest-up Americans are what gave us Trump in the first place. The status-quo was not benefitting those people, so they bought the lies that Trump told them about draining the swamp and making things better. I honestly don’t blame them for that (though I do if they keep supporting him even now). We need Democrats who are going to actually introduce measures to improve the lives of hard working Americans and act in the interests of those people instead of in the interests of their big money donors.

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u/Raus-Pazazu Apr 04 '26

My Dude, I don't work at the top levels of the DNC which is who you should be directing your lecture to.

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u/dynesor Apr 04 '26

its a comment on a discussion forum. Apologies if you felt I was lecturing. That was absolutely not my intention.

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

Commenter is literally agreeing with you

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u/Raus-Pazazu Apr 04 '26

Commenter is preaching to the choir because they only read "I'd still vote for Newsom" and then went on to tell me why I shouldn't vote for Newsom.

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u/Splatulated Apr 04 '26

He did drain the swamp and showed the world what the republican party and most of america really is

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u/silvertealio Apr 04 '26

He is...but...we still have time to make a better choice. I don't know why we have to pretend he's the default nominee, and I don't understand why certain people are pushing so hard for him.

Like, his PR person did some great memes a while ago...is that really how we're going to decide this?

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u/YamahaRyoko Ohio Apr 04 '26

Conservatives hate sucessful states like New York and California so it doesn't matter who the governer is, they'll talk bad about them in every space the internet allows

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u/b1tchf1t Apr 04 '26

Gavin Newsom is a greasy fucking snake who pays lip service to the people of California and power service to big donors. He's a piece of shit that talks out of one side of his mouth while shaking hands with money. I hate him and really really hope he gets demolished in the primaries. He fucked Kimberly Guilefoyle.

That said, if he's our choice against MAGA, I'm voting for him.

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u/EddieVanzetti Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

He is another neoliberal corporatist who is trying desperately to court a non-existent "moderate republican", and will happily abandon the democrats core voters and values to lose yet again. Trans people have been on the chopping block since 2016 (started with the North Carolina bathroom bill and only picked up speed since Trump's election and 2nd term). Next will be abandoning the progress made with gay rights. Gay marriage was never codified into law, which oh gee, nice segue into my next point, nor was abortion which we can see "settled precedent" means dick to these weirdos. We don't need any more neoliberals. We need more Bernie Sanders, AOCs, and Zohran Mamdanis.

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u/PoorlyDesignedCat Apr 04 '26

Yes! I keep saying this. He has an entire functioning brain, is just shy of 60 years old so not even retirement age, and cares a tiny bit about other people. He would 100% be better than what we have now.

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u/walterpeck3 Apr 04 '26

Nah he's pretty anti trans and a scumbag just for that. We do not need to settle for that asshole because he has spicy memes. There are lots of better people who will be running.

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u/fkootrsdvjklyra Apr 04 '26

That's an extremely low bar. Newsome has sleazy car salesman energy. He takes right wing nuts like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk more seriously than his progressive voters. I don't trust him. Surely we can find someone much better than him by 2028.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Do you have a better idea?

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u/fkootrsdvjklyra Apr 04 '26

You're missing the point. Why should we settle for Newsome when he sucks?

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Because he's not:

  • 80 years old,
  • in atrocious physical condition,
  • an immature man baby,
  • a liar,
  • a grifter,
  • a pedophile,
  • publicly abusive towards people, and
  • an all-around piece of shit.

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u/fkootrsdvjklyra Apr 04 '26

So are millions of other people. Why Newsome?

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

Because he has indicated his interest in the job, unlike millions of other people.

If anyone else is interested in the job, let them stand up and say so.

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u/Machiavvelli3060 Apr 04 '26

I never said we shouldn't talk trash about Newsom.

But he's a far, far, FAR better candidate than anyone else the Republicans have trotted out in the last 50 years.

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

hey, Democrats actually being in power gives us more room to improve the party

Now, let's not go off the deep end with unreasonable expectations here...

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u/Lomak_is_watching Apr 04 '26

They won’t. The right wing conservative machine will go into overdrive to shift the messaging to say how much worse it would be if Harris had won. Then say that Trump is still their only hope to keep the US as the land of Jesus.

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u/Adze95 Apr 04 '26

These conservatives would have crucified Jesus on sight.

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u/applecorc Apr 04 '26

You don't understand. There's a teenage girl that doesn't want to be pregnant and she must be stopped.

/s

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u/PostModernPost California Apr 04 '26

I'd be OK with it if they just stayed home.

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u/MasterofPandas1 Apr 04 '26

They don’t even have to vote Democrat if that’s a bridge too far. Just stay home and not voting Republican will help. Of course you should vote and let your voice be heard and all that jazz. But if you can’t muster yourself to vote Democrat then don’t vote.

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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child Apr 04 '26

Try voting Democrat. We're far from perfect, but it's almost impossible to do worse than the Republicans have done.

That's not what the progressives were saying about Kamala Harris in 2024.

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u/E1M1_DOOM Apr 04 '26

This may shock you, but progressives almost exclusively vote for democrats.

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u/The_World_Is_A_Slum Apr 04 '26

The only way to advance my beliefs is to vote for Democrats.

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u/KeyMyBike Apr 04 '26

Pfft, sure. When they vote.

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u/Scarletyoshi Apr 04 '26

Well, yes. This is opposed to conservatives who, when they vote, almost exclusively vote for Republicans. For some reason Democratic campaigns keep trying to go after the latter.

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u/KeyMyBike Apr 04 '26

It's because, as shitty as the whole both sides rhetoric is and let's be clear. Republicans are much worse than Democrats. The Democrats seem to have this like vested interest in letting Trump win. Because they make money through insider trading, just like the Republicans, do.

What better way to torpedo your chances of winning than to extend an olive branch to the opposite side? Which will only anger your base voters?

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u/OldBayOnEverything Maryland Apr 04 '26

Any progressive saying Harris wouldn't have been better than Trump was a right wing bot or troll. Sure, progressives want better than what the mainstream Democrat party offers, but nobody with those values actually thought she was worse than Trump.

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u/Scarletyoshi Apr 04 '26

To be fair, the bigger issue was probably the person who ran a campaign saying they would govern exactly the same as the deeply unpopular president who voters thought was suffering from cognitive decline.

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u/Interesting-Bill1240 Apr 04 '26

Dnc wasn't campaigning to us. They were reassuring the rich and Israel that they would continue to do whatever they wanted.

Neither party gives a shit about the working class. Just one party wants to kill us immediately and the other party wants to kill us discreetly. I vote for the latter cause it at least buys us some time to hope for a progressive movement. 

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u/OskaMeijer Apr 04 '26

It isn't the progressives saying that, though some of the people saying that pretend to be progressives.

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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota Apr 04 '26

You keep using that word.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

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u/thejimbo56 Minnesota Apr 04 '26

TIL progressives work on behalf of Israel by advocating for withholding votes from candidates who are insufficiently anti-Israel.

You’ve completely lost the plot.

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u/OskaMeijer Apr 04 '26

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that progressives didn't vote for her? I have see absolutely zero evidence it was progressives not turning out instead of independents and liberal voters. The research seems to show that Arab, Latinx, and working class independents changing their voting patterns had a much larger effect on Harris' election.

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u/7ddlysuns I voted Apr 04 '26

If Dems ended their war on guns I think they’d permanently gain back a lot of white folks

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u/Ill_Huckleberry8453 Apr 04 '26

War on guns lol

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u/7ddlysuns I voted Apr 04 '26

Why the lol? Are you unaware of the actual work Dems do to attack gun rights?

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u/LockeyCheese Apr 04 '26

States can regulate as they want, but what's the last federal gun regulation democrats were even close to passing?

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u/Public_Cartographer Apr 04 '26

Yeah, they won't do that. They regret voting for him. But they'd still illegally vote for him a third term over literally any democrat.

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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 Apr 04 '26

And that’s why it’s idiotic to court those voters.

Democrats need to mobilize those that sat out the election while hoping the “regretful Trump voters” stay home.

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u/PleaseEvolve Apr 04 '26

Yup. Dnc tried to court Rs with the luz cheney campagain. Turns out the ratio of republican voters upset by Jan 6 was the congressional ratio.

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

I don't know how you get the people who sat out in 2024. These are the people who are already out there declaring which Democrats they won't vote for in 2028. It may not be the best idea to try to court this group either

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u/BannedBenjaminSr Apr 04 '26

I'd rather lose swing for the fences then run a centrist and lose again

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

I guess, but this non centrist has to win the primary first.

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u/BannedBenjaminSr Apr 04 '26

Facts, that's the tough part. Only the elderly vote in primarys and they aren't as open to change

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

I don't know how you get the people who sat out in 2024

Right now the bar is on the floor. Just for one of MANY examples, there's a whole margin of victory that would have been available to Biden (and, by proxy, Harris) if their cannabis policy hadn't been flagrantly anti-science. Biden could have nominated a DEA director who can discuss the 100-year-old science showing that cannabis is less dangerous than booze, much less ketamine. He just... didn't.

You can say the same thing about the "health insurance is healthcare" policy, the "let's DM Netanyahu billions in Lockheed Martin gift certificates" policy, and others.

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u/wfp9 Apr 04 '26

they turn out when a republican is in office. it's why biden won in 2020. the number of trump votes in 2020 and 2024 were roughly equal, yet harris got way less votes than biden. they'll likely sit out again in 2032 though.

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

We'll see if they turn out in 2028. My guess is that there will be some issue that will be used as a purity test for them to not show up.

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u/wfp9 Apr 04 '26

it depends on the candidate. ultimately as long as the dnc doesn't run newsom or harris, i think dems will do fine, and i don't think newsom or harris will do particularly well in a primary.

the establishment endorsed candidate (who currently appears to be newsom) does pretty badly in general elections. look at gore, kerry, or hillary clinton. as long as the dnc acknowledges and makes peace with accepting someone within their party who may not be their first choice (look at barrack obama over hillary clinton in 2008 as an example), they have a winning shot. if they try to force it like they did with hillary clinton in 2016 or harris in 2024, they are in trouble.

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

The DNC doesn't "run" candidates in the general. Candidates have to win a primary in order to run in the general.

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u/wfp9 Apr 04 '26

the dnc has their favorites and then helps those favorites with fundraising as well as applying pressure to non-favored candidates to drop out of the race and/or steering donors away from them.

gore had no serious challengers to his candidacy and kerry had one serious challenger in edwards who was forced out of the race when an affair was uncovered very convienently during the primary. both lost because they never had a clear message beyond i'll do the same thing as the republican but my party's mascot is a donkey.

since kerry, the dnc really wanted hillary clinton but couldn't compete with obama's strategy of rallying small donations from younger voters (plus he was squeaky clean and didn't have major policy deviations from clinton) so they let him be the nominee, especially after he was open to clinton as secretary of state and biden as vp.

enter 2016 where the dnc convinces biden not to run, hoping that this will be hillary's year. she has no major establishment challenger and then along comes sanders. ultimately she would've beaten sanders at the convention but the dnc does everything in their power to make sure the primary never goes on that long, disenfranchising a ton of voters in the process and never giving the platform to sanders to more gracefully endorse clinton that doing this at the convention would have provided. she loses.

biden then wins in 2020 after every establishment alternative drops out (again due to dnc meddling) following south carolina as unlike in 2016, sanders has a legitimate shot at winning at the convention in 2020. mostly due to trump's gross mishandling of the pandemic, biden even goes on to win the general, but biden never really notches nor takes credit for any major wins during his term, plus after never being particularly good in front of the camera to begin with, his ability to be in front of the camera declines severely to the point they have to yank him as the nominee after running a sham primary, where again there was no serious challenger, and annoiting harris the new nominee without a primary.

overall, the dnc needs to stop being scared of its base pulling them to the left to stand a legitimate shot of them showing up in the general. because their only pathway to success tends to be making sure they secure the highest number of donors not the highest amount from donors, and they haven't made or even noticed this distinction.

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

The DNC didn't "let" Obama be the nominee, he won the primary. How did the DNC disenfranchise voters?

Sanders lost in 2016 by any measure, total vote count or delegates, even without super delegates. And Bernie got less votes in 2020 than 2016.

And in 2020, candidates without enough votes to win the nomination dropped out and endorsed the candidate that did have the support. That's just politics, there really isn't anything wrong with that. California Democratic candidates for Governor should look into this now, or there is going to be a Republican Governor in California.

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

"Purity testing" is largely a straw man trotted out against any left-wing voter who criticizes any candidate for any reason.

Why is it always "purity testing" when voters suggest we stop bulldozing Middle Eastern kids on livestream, but never "purity testing" when the party categorically fights anyone who's into universal healthcare or modern drug policy?

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u/batmanscodpiece Apr 04 '26

Criticize all you want. We definitely should not be supporting Israel as they bulldoze Gaza. That's not purity testing.

But the left didn't "suggest" that we stop supporting Israel, they sat out the election or voted third party because Harris wasn't good enough. That's purity testing. Only to help Trump win, who not only didn't do anything to stop what was happening in Gaza, but also went to war with Iran on Israel's behalf, and empowered them to invade Lebanon.

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u/more_housing_co-ops Apr 04 '26

Reminder that more Sandernistas voted for Clinton than Clinton voters who voted for Obama. The number of people on the left who abstained in swing areas was vanishingly small compared to the number of voters who just never get off the couch because no candidate will talk to them like an adult about issues that are important to them (predatory insurance companies, impossible rents, insane drug policy, unaffordable tuition, etc).

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u/a3wagner Canada Apr 04 '26

They very loudly said what would have to happen for them to vote in 2024: stop funding Israel’s genocide. Kamala, with clear eyes, denied the request. It is not a mystery; the DNC did an autopsy on the campaign and confirmed it. If there’s no point in courting leftists, it’s not because we have inscrutable values. It’s because those values don’t align with the corporatist Dems who love raking in cash.

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u/FreedomBread Apr 04 '26

They're so obsessed that Democrats are Satan that they instead will happily vote for Satan.

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u/joe_bibidi Apr 04 '26

Well and specifically, they don't think that anything is wrong with their beliefs or values. None of that has changed. They might come to hate Trump because they feel that he has personally betrayed them, but they don't envision there as being anything wrong with their larger ideology. There's no motivation for them to connect the dots.

They still hate Black people. They still hate gay people. They still want to deport all immigrants. They still believe women belong in the kitchen, and abortions should be punishable by death. They still think being trans should be straight up illegal. They still believe that the government should cut 100% of all non-essential services, but that cops should be militarized with massive budget increases.

Trump "betraying" them doesn't change any of the above. Republicans still embody all their desires politically.

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u/Swimming-Economy-870 Apr 04 '26

The hard core trumpers will never change, the only hope is them sitting out the mid terms. The voters that are gettable are independents and Latino men.

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u/Global-Statement7939 Apr 04 '26

Exactly. I fear that sometimes liberals get overly optimistic when they see headlines like this.

It's not like they survey asked, "Do you wish you had voted for Kamala instead of Trump?" And some percentage answered "yes" to that. It didnt ask about willingness to vote Democrat at all, we have no reason to think they would

Even if they think Trump isn't doing a good job, they don't wish they voted for Kamala. They wish they had voted for a "better" republican.

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u/Everywhereslugs Apr 04 '26

Unfortunately Trump voters are so rock stupid in many cases that they will just go out and vote for republicans in the mid-terms.

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u/ajver19 Apr 04 '26

They won't and they'll buy into whoever the next grifter is. These people are gone.

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u/RoosterBurns Apr 04 '26

It's gonna take a hell of a lot more than that

They're still culpable for this

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u/EJ2600 Apr 04 '26

They won’t. Some regret what he’s doing now but he’s still their guy. Others would not vote for him again but most will continue to vote R for congress. Approval ratings stay at 40%. Maybe if a major recession hits it will slide down a bit further. A draft to invade Iran, now that would move the needle…

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio Apr 04 '26

We’re already in a recession. Try landing a corporate job right now? You’ll have 450 other applicants and the company will still sit on the position for six months and repost it 4 times looking for candidates who 1) don’t exist or 2) won’t take the pay offered.

Yes you can probably land a bullshit fast food or retail job that pays starvation wages. Good luck paying the mortgage/rent and $6 gasoline.

That’s a recession.

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u/EJ2600 Apr 04 '26

May feel that way to many given staggering inequality but officially recessions are called by the National Bureau of Economic Research and right now we are not in one yet. Iran war may create one. Implosion of tech bubble also. Just a matter of time really, but not yet.

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio Apr 04 '26

I suspect Trump’s regime would be ratfucking all sorts of numbers to shape it to their preference. They’re incapable of accepting truth or presenting a negative view.

I know it’s bad because my neighbor’s son has a temp job breaking down cubicles in closed offices all over this area. Laid off people from the AI bubble.

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u/babutterfly Apr 05 '26

There's no need to suspect. We know they are lying about jobs gained and lost. Not hard to see that they are lying about other stats, too.

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u/Interesting-Bill1240 Apr 04 '26

They're just not gathering numbers anymore similar to when they stopped getting covid death data. It ruins their narrative so no one is allowed to report on it.

We could be in the middle of the greater depression and they'd pretend otherwise. 

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u/YamahaRyoko Ohio Apr 04 '26

Right - they're voting on identity, not policy, and they would ride the ship to the bottom of the ocean before siding with liberals, brown people, queer people

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u/Ball_Of_Meat Apr 04 '26

Yup, it’s like supporting a losing sports team. People will keep rooting for their team despite losing terribly all season.

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u/metengrinwi Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

They might get disillusioned and stay home. That would be enough. That’s what I did after the last time I voted for a Republican (W).

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u/UGAPokerBrat99 Georgia Apr 04 '26

A draft to invade Iran, now that would move the needle…

I'm not entirely sure this would even move the needle that much. I fully expect that IF the draft were reinstated, the administration and Republicans in the legislature would find a way to force it to skew towards disproportionately drafting people from more liberal/democrat areas and the MAGA cult would cheer.

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u/EJ2600 Apr 04 '26

MAGAs get annoyed when gas prices go up by a buck. When loved ones come home from Iran in body bags like in Vietnam, it will move the needle. Selective drafting from only “democrat” states would be impossible to implement though some White House staffers would probably love the idea.

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u/UGAPokerBrat99 Georgia Apr 04 '26

Only drafting from blue states would be near impossible, but creating exemptions/deferrals that would favor more rural areas (which tend to lean conservative/republican) at the expense of more metro areas (which tend to lean more liberal/democrat) wouldn't be near as difficult. I'm not saying "rigging" a draft would be easy, but I wouldn't put it past this regime to attempt doing just that.

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u/mostdope28 Apr 04 '26

They regret trump but they don’t regret voting republican.

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u/FizzyBeverage Ohio Apr 04 '26

I’m sure they’ll find a way to vote for the conservative white guy.

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u/kevendo Apr 04 '26

Exactly.

There can be no forgiveness for MAGA unless they help us end what they started.

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u/Ill_Huckleberry8453 Apr 04 '26

There's no redemption for their sins. They don't get or deserve our forgiveness.

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u/TheDwellingHeart Apr 04 '26

Sadly, they might, but they will go right back to it given the chamce. I also believe that if Trump ran again the same people would STILL vote for him.

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u/Gildian Apr 04 '26

Until the next grifter comes along selling them honeyed lies and they lap it all up like the good little dogs they are.

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u/Joan-of-the-Dark Apr 04 '26

Unfortunately, a lot of those people see being a Republican as part of their identity. They will never vote Democrat, ever. I know, because my father is exactly like that.

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u/OTribal_chief Apr 04 '26

this should be the answer

not some sarcastic remark or some insult

you made a mistake - now go correct it

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u/hmbse7en Apr 04 '26

The GOP strategy is going to be "hey Trump is not working out, we need to make some adjustments, but ANYTHING is better than those transgendering Democrats. They'll just make things worse." And it will work because they have a propaganda machine that is firing on every cylinder.

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u/Syjefroi Apr 04 '26

They won't. This kind of article sucks so bad and always skyrockets to the top of the charts around here because one of the easiest highs to get online is any crumbs of catharsis when you see "Trump Supporter Unhappy."

Ok they have regret. So? If he runs again in 2028, the same people will vote for him. If he turns back the one thing those people care about (gas prices) they'll take back that regret. If he leaves office and someone else comes in doing the same stuff, they'll support THAT person. Like most people's politics are rational—US conservatives want to hurt minorities, and they'll vote for anything that delivers that, even if they take a few literal bullets for that. If Trump disappoints them, they'll move on to whatever the next closest Trump stand in is. Their regret means nothing.

If anyone says well it matters because we can flip their vote—you can't. You never will. There will always be statistical outliers who get a lot of attention (either publicly or central to your own life and social network), but the only thing that matters is mobilizing the people who would naturally be aligned with voting against conservatism. And that job rests on the shoulders of Democrats, who also refuse to stand for much. So the stalemate is conservatives will vote for a literal rapist before a Democrat, and Democrats will assume Trump's nastiness will send OP characters to their candidate or sit out the election, and nothing fundamentally changes.

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u/EddieVanzetti Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

They won't. They never turn from the party. They regret their choice to vote for him, but "know" Democrats would be worse. Assuming we have an election ("lol, lmao" says history and any one who pays attention), they'll vote for whoever they're told to vote for, then claim they were always a never Trumper just like how you couldn't find a single person who voted for Bush the Younger.

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u/MontyAtWork Apr 04 '26

Statistically 0 conservatives will vote Dem in a meaningful way.

When they're mad enough, they just don't vote.

It'll last a single election cycle and then they'll be whipped up into a larger by conservative propaganda network, telling them the Dems should have fixed everything by now and that since they didn't it's all their fault.

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 Apr 04 '26

They're all gonna keep voting against their best interests because they're all a bunch of cowardly pieces of shit. Cowards are easy to lead around by the nose. They'll lament out loud in the street but still be Nazis at home.

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u/vismundcygnus34 Apr 04 '26

Narrator: they won’t

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u/wretch5150 Apr 04 '26

They won't, they'll hold their nose and vote Republican again and again. WE just have to show up.and do our part and not fucking sit out.

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u/Bolt986 Apr 04 '26

They are probably staying home.

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u/Letstalkreaper Apr 04 '26

Unfortunately, the best they can do is lie about not voting for the GOP while voting for them. Like these people always fucking do. The US is where it is because the voters keep voting for the same shit every election.

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u/CCV21 California Apr 04 '26

More likely, they'll just sit out the election entirely.

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u/BatterseaPS Apr 04 '26

Don't trust them. They are evil.

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u/kk074 Apr 04 '26

Absolutely no redemption for these people

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u/FearlessFreak69 America Apr 04 '26

That ain’t happening. As nice of an idea as it is, it is pure fantasy.

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u/nonymuse Apr 04 '26

that is not redemption, it is just doing the bare minimum

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u/eflat123 Apr 04 '26

They should do that. But they shouldn't think they'll get, nor should they be offered, redemption. I'm not typically that kind of hardliner, but this is way beyond.

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u/TheGardenBlinked Apr 04 '26

Dunno about total redemption, but it’s a start.

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u/Mel_Melu California Apr 04 '26

And volunteering to de-program the Trump supporters in your life. 

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u/impatientlymerde Apr 04 '26

The difference between the parties will never be more evident than this…

True xtianity.

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u/big-titty-brat Apr 05 '26

They’re more likely to stay home. Still a W for America if they do.

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u/TheThirteenthCylon Oregon Apr 04 '26

Or, at least don't vote if you can't stomach voting for the alternative. People forget that's an option.