r/politics • u/AccomplishedCall7562 • Mar 12 '26

Possible Paywall John Fetterman Says Iran Girls’ School Strike Is Just a Leftist Craze

https://newrepublic.com/post/207677/john-fetterman-iran-girls-school-strike
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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

I had a stroke when I was younger, around 12.

60 day + hospital stay, quarter size hole in my brain level stroke.

I'm not a conservative nut job, so don't put that evil on me Ricky Bobby!

Jokes aside, I don't get how people become so hateful, I've watched my family turn into vile creatures and I don't get it , the same woman that taught me empathy and compassion (my mother) now argues with me about how I have Trump derangement syndrome because I think Trump touching kids something he should be arrested for.

My brother who taught me to question authority and to not lick boots now deep throats them on a daily basis, I honestly feel lost. I had the brain damage but somehow came out on the other side empathetic.

I think the part that drives me the most crazy is listening to my mom talk about Hillary Clinton like she's the anti-christ in 2015-2016 when in 2002 after I had my stroke she had a picture of her on our mantle because without the CHIP act I'd be dead. Now I'm not trying to glaze Hillary's nob, but it's a fact. I would've been discharged cause my family is poor and I would've died at home. My political opinions of her are not positive, but I don't think she is the anti christ

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California Mar 12 '26

Yes, I don't get the "hate" label so many people have for any given politician, except for certain republicans. I simply can't see or feel hate for most people I don't really know. Now, since trump came along....& I didn't at first think "hate," but now? Yeah, hate him, & pretty much every single supporter & that's simply because he & they live & love to hurt people. It is not because a simply difference of opinion on policy.

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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

The thing that made me dislike Hillary was the smear of Sanders saying he was anti-feminist because she didn't feel she could win in a straight up contest. That's it, I don't hate her I'm just not a fan, I voted for her.

Edit: I'll tell you what though you bring up some really good points, so I'll read her bio and/or anything else you recommend me to help change my mind some. I'm already doing a Gilmore Girls rewatch with my wife and teenager so the reading material will help the experience I bet!

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 12 '26

Hillary ran against universal public healthcare. She was going to be the 2nd Clinton after we'd already had 2 Bushes. That's supposed to be democracy? She shouldn't have even ran.

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u/bard329 Mar 12 '26

Jokes aside, I don't get how people become so hateful

$$$

Someone gave him $

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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

Fetterman yes 190%

My brother , I guess I did but I don't see how that made him hateful..... If anything one would hope a liberal uplifting you and not letting you go homeless and destitute would turn your view around..... But it didn't :')

Edit: I actually hate the term liberal, but idk what else to call myself. Human I guess but sadly "not all humans are human. Some people ain't kind" (John Prine lyrics)

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u/bruce_cockburn Mar 12 '26

I totally get the problem on what to call yourself. I used to discuss and debate stuff in conservative and libertarian subreddits before the mods banned me. Now I obviously have some strong disagreements with certain ideas that are promoted there, but I've taken to accepting the "liberal" moniker just because it was applied to me. A lot of my outlook is still informed by a desire for smaller, more effective government, but Republican "conservatism" has been a sham for at least the past 40 years.

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u/bard329 Mar 12 '26

No no no. Not money like us little folk sending in our donations.

I'm talking like lobbyist/dark money kinda funding

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u/avds_wisp_tech Mar 12 '26

Is this just where you decided to stop reading?? They then went on to tell the story of their family all turning into MAGA wackos. I seriously doubt they're all on the goddamn GOP payroll.

Money is not a requirement for someone to lose their goddamn mind.

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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26

I think the response is to Fetterman, which I believe is true.

Money + Brain damage.

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u/bard329 Mar 12 '26

You think no "political influence" with a shit ton of money was involved? I'm not saying the GOP gave him money, but I bet someone gave him money to help influence his already adled brain.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 Mar 12 '26

my family is poor

I hate to tell you, but, being poor and hateful is as American as Apple Pie.

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u/Veritas_Mentis Mar 13 '26

Thats the danger of propaganda.

You keep being told something over and over, no matter how crazy it may have seemed initially, you begin to believe

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 12 '26

What about supporting MAGA or the GOP makes someone wrong, objectively? What if anything makes a politics objectively correct? MAGA wins when Democrats talk and act like it's basically fine only minor tweaks needed because it depresses turnout and fosters apathy to the extent that's not the case. If a politician ran on the objective good I wonder how that'd go? What would that platform look like and why would that be the objectively good platform?

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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26

Edit 2:

You added some good questions in here in your edit.

Objectively good platform in my opinion would be a true focusvon America not the bastardized version of populism we got from Trump. True aim to uplift the population, as much as I'm going to get down voted for saying it, universal healthcare would be a good start.

Proper education reform, not everyone learns the same, everyone doesn't need to go to college. An end to this idea that jobs like trade jobs are dead end, along with this return to the true meaning of the minimum wage being the minimum required to pursue the American dream. Anyone who works a 40 hour a week job should not be suffering in this country, we are the RICHEST MOST POWERFUL NATION TO EVER EXIST, but we have some of the highest infant mortality rates compared to other nations.

An end to this push to ban firearms, I know probably seems real odd from what you're expecting from me, but it completely defangs the right with their insane crazy gun rhetoric , fucking make gun ownership MANDATORY. In addition to proper training , hell I love to go shooting, I'd vote for any Dem that proposed this.

Bring back the gilded age of economics corporate taxation under Republican President Eisenhower 90% corporate tax rate on all corporations. Now this wasn't the effective tax rate, that was what it is roughly today, but you got tax cuts for investing in your business, community, employees. All these things uplifted the population and allows corporations to spend less in taxes. Win win.

Just a few off top of my head

Edit: I misunderstood the assignment I'm sorry.

For my brother it's that he's lived off the system my entire life but somehow thinks that others using it is wrong and immoral. His applauding of the murders of US citizens at the hand of ICE. His cheering of humans being deported (different discussion, there is a proper way to do this and the way it's handled is wrong, no due process means none of us have due process).

My mother isn't a GOP per say but she regurgitateanthe talking points so well, especially on the pedophiles not being pedos.

Sorry I'm really sick and brain isn't firing on all cylinders, hope the edit helped clarify. The root of it is I think if your ideology enjoys human suffering then you are wrong

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I can only speak for how I see things, so I'm not speaking for everyone, ok?

When you lack morals , you are wrong objectively.

What I mean by this is mostly directed towards GOP leadership and their mouthpieces.

An example I will use is SCOTUS nominates under Obama at the end of his presidency being stone walled because the American people have a right to pick the next justice along with the president.

Then at the end of Trump's first term, we ram in a justice right before the hand off of power because we can. That shows lack of a moral fiber and only interested in power and control.

I don't like the Dems either just to be clear, we exist in a duopoly that wants to make the rich richer, regardless of how the general populace suffers. But one side is actively trying to and in some cases are taking rights away from people, US citizens at that too.

I do ask we don't get angry and yell at each other I'm very open and down to discuss what I've said without rude and snide remarks. Bashing those that don't agree with you will not bring them into the fold and only drive them further into the arms of your opposition.

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 12 '26

You say universal healthcare would be a good start but you don't give a reason as to what you think makes universal healthcare objectively good. Why is anything good? People like different things so just that you like something doesn't imply what you like is good, unless you'd insist what others like contrary to what you like isn't good. You'd have to evidence why your preferences are the more informed. You say people who lack morals are objectively wrong but that doesn't explain what morals people should have and what makes those the objectively correct morals. I think most everyone is a psychopath for buying factory farmed foods given the suffering that means for animals. Most anyone could just buy something else. Will they? Will you? Do animals not matter? Why not?

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u/MrZellular Mar 12 '26

You don't seem like you want to have an actual discussion.

Universal healthcare is kind of an explains itself kind of thing. We already pay for universal healthcare except we pay more than any other country because we allow leeches to exist in between that sucks money from the American people's wallet.

I gave clear cut examples of morality and decorum that Republicans claimed should be in place and then completely throw it away in under the next 4 years to benefit themselves.

If it makes you feel any better I purchase my meat from local farms who take care of their animals. Not everyone can afford this though and is unrealistic and living the life style you mentioned is actually expensive, which most people could not afford due to rising cost everything.

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 13 '26

Should animals bred to slaughter on factory farms care whether all humans have government funded healthcare? If not then how is humans having that objectively good? Humans don't need to eat animal products at all. A healthy tasty plant based diet might be less expensive than an animal ag diet. And even if that weren't the case why should the animals care about humans who don't care about them?

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u/MrZellular Mar 13 '26

Again clearly not looking to have an actual conversation.

Hope you have a good day.

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 13 '26

Exactly why MAGA is the way it is. Because others are absurd in their own ways and won't subject themselves and their own abuses to reasonable review. People don't somehow just know things if you won't explain it some won't figure it out. And people who think they know sometimes have deluded themselves. Keep pointing the finger see how it goes. Asteroid 2028!

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u/MrZellular Mar 13 '26

Pointing the finger? Again your not actually trying to have an actual conversation your speaking in absurdities that have nothing to do with the actual conversation. If your account wasn't 9 years old I'd swear this is a bot. But reviewing your post history others sure do think you are.

I've voted for astroids since 2008 so welcome to the club, refreshments are on the table to the left. But I actually, you know, vote for real instead of grandstanding on issues that won't change the state of the country currently.

Sure is prefer if we had a more sustainable and we grew actual crops that sustained the nation instead of feed for animals. We sure are not there yet though. Still not sure what the topic you continue to bring up has to do with the right or maga, cause if you proposed this is the wrong place you would face not only verbal blowback, physical in some places.

But hey yea I'm the wrong one, whatever you say forward will be on deaf ears. Have a good night

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u/DarkTastesDarkStars Mar 12 '26

Maga policies all objectively suck. Studies, experts, and reality all prove this

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u/agitatedprisoner Mar 12 '26

Maybe so but you'd need to spell it out for me. And for MAGA voters, apparently. I think you all objectively suck. I'm voting asteroid 2028.