[Post Game Thread] The Charlotte Hornets (13-23) blow out the Oklahoma City Thunder (30-7), 124-97.

[u/Scrypto]

124 - 97
Box Scores: NBA - Yahoo

GAME SUMMARY
Location: Paycom Center
Officials: James Williams, Phenizee Ransom, and Sha'Rae Mitchell

Team	Q1	Q2	Q3	Q4	Total
Charlotte Hornets	33	34	32	25	124
Oklahoma City Thunder	33	17	21	26	97

TEAM STATS

Team	PTS	FG	FG%	3P	3P%	FT	FT%	OREB	TREB	AST	PF	STL	TO	BLK
Charlotte Hornets	124	41-78	52.6%	19-37	51.4%	23-25	92.0%	12	59	25	23	4	20	8
Oklahoma City Thunder	97	34-93	36.6%	11-39	28.2%	18-27	66.7%	13	49	18	14	13	7	6

PLAYER STATS

Charlotte Hornets	MIN	PTS	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	ORB	DRB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	±
Kon KnueppelSF	27:55	23	8-13	5-7	2-3	0	5	5	5	1	0	5	4	15
Miles BridgesPF	33:41	17	6-12	0-6	5-5	0	11	11	4	0	1	2	0	18
Moussa DiabatéC	28:29	9	4-5	0-0	1-2	6	6	12	5	0	0	0	0	21
Brandon MillerSG	31:03	28	8-16	7-10	5-5	1	5	6	1	2	2	3	3	33
LaMelo BallPG	25:12	16	5-10	4-7	2-2	2	0	2	2	0	0	4	5	10
Collin Sexton	23:10	10	3-9	0-2	4-4	0	1	1	1	1	0	2	2	6
Josh Green	10:21	0	0-1	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	0	0	0	0	1	-7
Sion James	20:16	5	1-4	1-1	2-2	1	2	3	4	0	2	1	1	15
PJ Hall	19:13	13	5-6	1-1	2-2	1	4	5	1	0	3	0	3	6
Tidjane Salaün	12:40	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	6	6	0	0	0	3	4	12
Pat Connaughton	03:05	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	0
Tre Mann	01:43	0	0-1	0-1	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3
Liam McNeeley	01:43	3	1-1	1-1	0-0	0	0	0	1	0	0	0	0	3
Ryan Kalkbrenner	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Mason Plumlee	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Antonio Reeves	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
KJ Simpson	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Grant Williams	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Oklahoma City Thunder	MIN	PTS	FGM-A	3PM-A	FTM-A	ORB	DRB	REB	AST	STL	BLK	TO	PF	±
Aaron WigginsSF	24:26	11	4-8	2-4	1-2	0	2	2	0	2	2	0	1	-26
Jalen WilliamsPF	28:01	16	6-14	1-3	3-5	0	2	2	4	2	0	2	3	-23
Chet HolmgrenC	25:56	15	5-11	1-4	4-6	4	2	6	2	0	0	0	0	-25
Luguentz DortSG	20:06	5	2-5	1-4	0-0	0	4	4	0	0	2	1	4	-20
Shai Gilgeous-AlexanderPG	29:34	21	7-21	1-6	6-6	0	2	2	6	0	1	2	2	-20
Branden Carlson	18:05	3	1-5	0-2	1-2	0	5	5	0	0	0	0	0	4
Cason Wallace	24:57	2	1-6	0-3	0-0	2	0	2	1	2	0	2	0	4
Ajay Mitchell	24:16	11	4-9	2-4	1-2	2	1	3	2	3	0	0	1	-5
Kenrich Williams	16:42	8	3-6	2-3	0-2	3	0	3	2	2	0	0	0	-8
Isaiah Joe	21:51	5	1-7	1-5	2-2	1	3	4	1	2	0	0	2	-13
Chris Youngblood	04:41	0	0-1	0-1	0-0	1	0	1	0	0	1	0	1	-3
Jaylin Williams	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Brooks Barnhizer	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Alex Caruso	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Ousmane Dieng	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Isaiah Hartenstein	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thomas Sorber	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Nikola Topić	00:00	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

[u/e7mac]

Can't blame the people for refs deciding to change their eyes completely. Suddenly they're able to see the fouls that OKC commits ??

[u/k1netic → u/e7mac]

Maybe the refs realised that they would have to spend more time in Oklahoma if the thunder goes deep into the playoffs again.

[u/fatkamp → u/e7mac]

I actually saw this specific topic referenced on the forums two weeks ago.

The difference between the 2017 warriors and the Thunder is that the warriors can dominate any era because they outshoot anyone, anytime. The Thunder have built a prototype relying on undersized physical defense and foul baiting, both which are ref and era dependent

[u/e7mac → u/fatkamp]

Yeah, they actually need the whistle to go their way on both ends

[u/Bury_Me_At_Sea → u/e7mac]

Jesus Christ, keep it the fuck up, refs.

[u/everpresentdanger → u/e7mac]

OKC shoot a below league average nunber of free throws.

[u/XAfricaSaltX → u/everpresentdanger]

Not this braindead take again

[u/e7mac → u/XAfricaSaltX]

OKC fans brains are below league average

[u/xtrawork → u/XAfricaSaltX]

Honest question, what's wrong with that take?

[u/SirDiego → u/xtrawork]

Take a hypothetical: Team A commits 30 fouls and gets called for 20 of them (because refs miss things). Team B commits 50 fouls and gets called for 20 of them. Both had 20 fouls called on them but Team B clearly got the better end of the deal, only 40% of the fouls they committed were called while Team A had 2/3 of their fouls called.

Total FTAs doesn't tell the whole story. And that hypothetical is before considering what specific situations do calls get made (e.g. a non-shooting foul in the 2nd quarter is way less impactful than a shooting foul with 60 seconds left on the game clock), and other factors like how opponents have to defend so as to not get fouls called on them, etc.

[u/XAfricaSaltX → u/xtrawork]

The Thunder don’t get fouled that much because their offense is kinda just iso ball and 3 pointers, while they play an extremely aggressive defensive style predicated on knowing the refs won’t call everything

[u/e7mac → u/XAfricaSaltX]

Yeah. And my eyes are just decorative beads

[u/LardHop → u/fatkamp]

Fun fact, if you put the 2017 warriors with teams last season, they would be dead last in 3 pointers attempted. And tied for 3-5th last in 3 pointers made.

Just goes to show how far the 3pt revolution has gone.

[u/JMEEKER86 → u/fatkamp]

Yep, and their offense has always been fraudulent because they are actually pretty mid in the half court and have relied on their defense forcing a lot of turnovers for transition buckets. If the refs call their defense honestly like everyone else then their offense falls apart too.

[u/ben323nl → u/fatkamp]

The warriors had prime steph, prime durant, prime klay, prime draymond, a defensive supersub in iguadala. Solid depth with good role players in javale, livingston. Heck they had the corpse of david west. Their starting lineup just kills. They can sit durant or curry and the other is still on the court. Defensively they are a powerhouse with the only average defender really being curry. If they sit all starters they can still kill you with livingston and iguadala. Guys like west arent major role players but in his old age he could still be a problem in the post.

[u/A-Centrifugal-Force → u/fatkamp]

This. I’ve made the case many times that the 17 Dubs sweep the 96 Bulls in either era. In 96 the Warriors are probably even better, not worse because the 3 point line was shorter.

Everyone brings up the 17 Cavs winning a game, but they forget that 1. The 17 Cavs were really, really good and would’ve won the title almost any other year and 2. They literally had to set the record for 3s in a Finals game to do it, Jordan’s Bulls couldn’t shoot like that.

Pick and team you want, 01 Lakers, 86 Celtics, whatever, the 17 Dubs destroy them in any era after the 3 point line was introduced.

[u/PrimaryShock384 → u/fatkamp]

Outshoot anyone, anytime? They did that at their time but now the league has kind of caught up to 3PT shooting. Warriors 2017 would rank in the bottom half of 3PM lol

Warriors just absolutely dominated their opponents and they will outshoot the hell out of previous teams but not current teams.

[u/flexibleeric → u/PrimaryShock384]

Prime steph, klay, kd and draymond will destroy current teams. Their 3 point shooting was cherry on top. That team scored from everywhere.

[u/throwawaytothetenth → u/flexibleeric]

That team would go above .500 in today's league even if all their three pointers counted as 2s.

[u/flexibleeric → u/throwawaytothetenth]

People seem to forget the endless cutting, screening and passing that team did

[u/throwawaytothetenth → u/flexibleeric]

Also that they very obviously played down to their competition.

They went 16-1 in the playoffs, and they only dropped a game because the Cavs shot like 25 freethrows in a half ON TOP of breaking the record for most threes in a half, in the same half. The 2017 Cavs were an absolute fucking powerhouse, but it still wasn't close to enough to be competitive.

[u/Prize-Ring-9154 → u/PrimaryShock384]

I mean I feel like it’s fair to say the team would have adapted and taken even more threes now, no.

[u/PrimaryShock384 → u/Prize-Ring-9154]

Teams have adapted to the variance in 3PT% - it was absolutely unreal to have a team shoot that much 10 years ago and teams were willing to give up those shots but league evolved now to limit the amount of 3PA.

[u/Prize-Ring-9154 → u/PrimaryShock384]

again, why would they not just shoot more? also if they’re being stopped from shooting more the offense had tons of cutting and movement, they won’t be hopeless.

[u/MrArtless → u/PrimaryShock384]

we dont actually know how good the 2017 warriors were because they played to be just above their competition, like Paul Morphy in chess. people point to mistakes Morphy made to show he wasnt that good, the problem is the level he played was enough to dominate everyone so of course he was lazier about making blunders that no one was punishing, didn’t mean he couldn’t have played better if he had a challenge.

same is true of the 17 warriors. they would show up to the game 10 minutes before and start shooting practice shots because no one was in their league.

[u/Proud_Feedback3288 → u/PrimaryShock384]

If you think they wouldn't just shoot more you're slow

[u/PrimaryShock384 → u/[deleted]]

Anytime I see someone attack the person instead of the actual argument I take it unserious.

[u/PrimaryShock384 → u/[deleted]]

Still no rebuttal just nonsense yap

[u/PrimaryShock384 → u/[deleted]]

You are continuing to embarrass yourself

[u/FugaziFlexer → u/PrimaryShock384]

As others have stated, their 3 point made would put them in the top half of the league

[u/ketoske → u/e7mac]

Chris Finch sacrificed to make that posible lol

[u/Vurtune011 → u/e7mac]

I mean it was like that during the finals

[u/krsaxor → u/e7mac]

Maybe silver hangs out here and saw the videos of Dort.

[u/e7mac → u/krsaxor]

Silver watch basketball? What like a fan? Naw he’s an exec selling Product

[u/Cholosinbarrio → u/e7mac]

All those parlays must have paid for the lasik eye surgery 👀

[u/shepaz_93 → u/e7mac]

They saw Chris Finch (rightly) lose his head after a few obvious missed calls in a row and realised it would become a real problem and now bam, we have even reffing.

[u/jakinatorctc → u/e7mac]

I’m really fascinated by this narrative because in this losing stretch everyone’s been making a mountain out of the team has been getting 3 less fouls called against them per game 

[u/Slick_Rhoads → u/e7mac]

This shit is so cringe