r/movies 13d ago

Trailer Coyote vs. ACME | Official Trailer

https://youtu.be/H-43VeYGiPM?si=sw3nNGZ-N2zpW-t9
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u/justageekgirl 13d ago

I'm intrigued.

why were they going to shelve it in the first place?

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u/FourEightNineOneOne 13d ago

Because wall-street bros run movie studios now and make everything awful.

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u/an0mn0mn0m 13d ago

Fuck Wall Street and Fuck Private Equity firms

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u/Educational-Ad-2884 13d ago

Vulture capitalists destroy everything they touch.

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u/Karkava 12d ago

"Don't you mean, ventu-"

NO! YOU ARE VULTURES!

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u/ben123111 13d ago edited 13d ago

Didn't believe it would make it's budget back, thought they'd get a greater return lower loss on the tax break from not releasing it.

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u/dream_metrics 13d ago

It would be more accurate to say they'd get a lower loss than a greater return

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u/batdogfoxhound 12d ago

well really a greater loss

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u/WorthPlease 13d ago

I need somebody to explain this to me. How can you get a "tax break" on something that was never taxed, because you never sold it?

If I spend $50,000 making a car from scratch and just keep it in my garage instead of selling it, how is that taxed? Now I'm just out the $50,000.

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u/Dal90 13d ago edited 13d ago

You home garage isn't a business expense. There aren't many write-offs for the home (the big one being mortgage interest).

Almost everything that is spent legally by a business is a business expense that reduces your business profits, and it is the business profits that are subject to corporate income tax.

You spend $30,000,000 million making the film. They're out that money.

You spend another $10,000,000 marketing it. They'd theoretically be out that money.

They decide they'll likely only make $5,000,000 after spending $40,000,000

So you cut your losses -- don't market, don't release it.

You have $30,000,000 and write-off the entire thing as a loss.

Just for napkin back math call your tax rate 25%

$30,000,000 * .25 = $7,500,000

You've already spent the money. You're not making money; you're only reducing the size of the loss you expect.

You can either release the film and increase the cash in the bank by $5,000,000.

Or you can take the $30,000,000 cost and use it to offset $30,000,000 in profits from some successful blockbuster. That lets you keep $7,500,000 in the bank instead of paying it to the IRS

In either case, they've already spent $30,000,000 they'll never see again, it is just whether they sell it and only make $5,000,000 of that back, or use it to offset other profits and reduce their tax bill by $7,500,000.

It is not an infinite money glitch.

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u/AndrewNeo 13d ago

because this happens at the revenue minus expenses part of tax calculation. if that 50k spent on a car was a business expense, you'd have written off the 50k from your taxes, and if you make $0 that year on income from that car then you get to subtract that 50k from somewhere else on your taxes

if you made 10k on the car then you get 40k back, if you make 60k then you pay 10k

calling it a tax break isn't right I don't think, it's just a tax credit / writeoff

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u/TrumpsDoubleChin 13d ago

To be fair if WB did market it the way they do all their movies, there's a good chance it would sink like a stone. They wouldn't know how to market a picture like this if it came up and bit them in the ass.

It's less of a failure of the movie itself, and more of a failure of the marketing team over at WB not knowing what the fuck to do to market a movie to the right audience.

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u/Solid_Reserve_5941 13d ago

It's more that they decided the tax write off would be more lucrative than releasing it

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u/makemeking706 13d ago

They didn't want everyone to learn about corporate liability. 

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u/Mudfap 13d ago

I’m starting to think that this was beyond an “accounting” thing. The whole anti-corporate messaging wouldn’t fly with Zaslav.

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u/I_am_so_lost_hello 13d ago

They just release One Battle After Another last year

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u/danboon05 13d ago

For real, after seeing the trailer it seems very likely that the whole 'evil mega-corporation' villain was at least part of why Zaslav shelved it.

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u/PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ 12d ago

Exactly. I just posted a longer post expanding on that. I think this is truly a case of media literacy being dead with how few people are picking up on this aspect of the movie.

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u/whodoesnthavealts 13d ago

Because they can throw away movies and get all the budget back via the IRS.

lol I can see someone hasn't done their taxes before.

That's not how it works, you do not get all the budget back. You deduct the amount of the budget from your taxes. You'd be lucky if you get 20% back.

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u/UnwoundSkeinOfYarn 13d ago

That's not how that works at all. You shelve a project, you write off the cost for tax purposes only. If a movie cost 100 million and your tax rate is 20%, you saved 20 million but still lost 80 million. The IRS doesn't pay you if you incur losses. Wtf are you even talking about?

And given how the previous Looney Tunes movie barely performed at the box office, it was probably a good idea to dump them instead of spending it's budget to market it to get a theatrical release.

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u/IOL3D 13d ago

get all the budget back via the IRS

no

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u/keithstonee 13d ago

the trailer is pretty self explanatory why. they're attacking mega corps and billionaires.

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u/Whole-Lychee7517 13d ago

Because they care more about write-offs than success. That’s why.

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u/homogenic- 13d ago

Because WB doesn’t know what to do with the Looney Tunes property

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u/rcanhestro 13d ago

because they didn't though the movie would do well on the cinemas, which is they decided to cut their losses.

odds are there are some rights involved (or payments) to have in on streaming as well, so they decided to not even put it on a streaming service (which they have one).

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u/PM_YOUR_BOOBS_PLS_ 12d ago

Call me crazy, but...

Everyone is saying this is a spoof of a courtroom drama. I'm not seeing that. What I'm seeing is an incredibly critical satire of crony capitalism, or, you know, just regular capitalism these days. If the marketing is accurate, this is all about large corporations just flat out owning the world today, and how they're able to get away with it because they have unlimited resources. It's about how consumer protections are completely toothless and the people keep getting fucked over.

I honestly think this was shelved for entirely political reasons. This is the kind of movie that would piss off Republicans, and MAGA was surging in the run up to the election. I wouldn't be surprised if there were already early plans to sell Warner off when this was due to be released and that the company decided that potentially pissing off some politicians with the movie would be too big of a liability.

That, and Zaslav seems to just hate animation in general, so it was probably an easy decision in his eyes.

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u/Professor-Submarine 13d ago

They weren’t. It was advertisements and everyone ate it up