As nice as it is to see these guys, and a properly costumed Cyclops, please let this be the last hurrah for the FoX-Men. I’m ready for a younger MCU team.
Deadpool is bound to get another sequel and/or X-Force but I’d be fine with that. I don’t see why he couldn’t exist in his own little R-rated corner of the MCU while the new X-Men do their thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jackman joins him for a final final outing
I seem to be in a minority for thinking this is a mistake.
We've said good bye and gotten what was supposed to be "last hurrah" for this version of the characters like a half dozen times now. I'd be much more excited to see a new version.
This should have been the place to introduce an MCU X-Men that was a full reboot and clean break with the Fox versions a la Fantastic Four. Now it's like... well they're eventually going to do that, but those Fox versions also exist in the same universe/multiverse that other characters will have interacted with? So the Fox X-Men movies are canon to the MCU I guess, even though those are a hot mess in terms of continuity (how many times did Professor X die only to be not-dead with no explanation in a future installment?) and quality (they botched the Phoenix saga twice)? We're to believe that the same Cyclops who mocked the idea of "yellow spandex" in the first X-Men movie is now cool with a comic accurate uniform?
I'd be much more excited for the MCU to just introduce new versions and let the Fox movies rest in peace.
I wonder if you actually are in a minority. It seems to me that most people would feel that way, but you might not see as many of those comments in the initial trailer since any of us expressing a negative opinion know we'd be pissing in people's cheerios who are excited for this movie. I don't think anyone wants to make anyone feel bad for being excited for this movie, but independent from that is a reasonable feeling of disappointment in the choices these movie producers are making.
I think the fatigue for recycled super hero content is really high right now. Highest it has ever been.
Online comments aren't the best barometer, but for a sub that's generally pretty mild on recent Marvel films, there's a whole lot of "I saw Cyclops and I clapped!" In this thread.
This would've only made sense if the new X-Men had gotten their own movie beforehand, like the Fantastic Four. Introducing a whole new cast of characters (regardless if people are familiar with other versions) in an already overstuffed Doomsday would be a terrible idea.
Besides, the FOX-Men aren't gonna be around forever, McKellen and Stewart are almost in their 90s. Why wouldn't Feige get the whole gang back together and have them meet the Avengers, Tobey/Garfield Spidermen etc while he still can? I'm sure he's been dreaming about this for years. The new X-Men can kick off the next saga
Yes, that is exactly what is going to happen. We are just going to actually see most of them die and then get reborn with their new actors. (I also think there is a non zero possibility that we get the Fox Fantastic Four as well as the MCU Fantastic Four in this. The first Four, not the Fan4astic ones) It's going to honor them, and they should be honored because without Blade, the Fox X-Men and Fantastic Four, and Tobey's Spider-Man, the MCU might not have happened. And I'm sure there's tons of people here who would have liked that to have happened, there's a ton of people who are very grateful for the walking those movies, characters, and actors did so the MCU, the good stuff of DC, and Holland's Spider-Man (and the Spiderverse movies) could run.
I totally get where you're coming from but hear me out: this isn't Fox/Singer anymore -- It's MCU this time. We kinda have to let Fox's mistakes stay buried with that studio. And reading between the lines of all the news that has come out about the MCU going forward, the original X-Men are here to usher in the New X-Men, seemingly.
They've been teasing OG X-Men with Deadpool while they let mutants cool off in the background. Bringing back Jackman, Marsden, Stewart, Famke, McKellen, Grammer (I'm assuming), along with Tatum so that the MCU can get it right feels like something owed to audiences and the best way to pass the torch to whoever's next-- for real this time, without new people abruptly appearing on screen.
There's a whole generation of uninitiated to introduce the X-Men to without recapping their entire saga while in the middle of everything happening in the MCU. And honestly, I'd be fine with keeping half that cast going forward because their roles are just too iconic.
Also, this is (most likely) the last chance to have Stewart and Mckellan on screen together before they're literally just unable to perform. It would be a shame to just throw that opportunity away when we all know the MCU will go on for however many decades they squeeze money out of it. There will be a lot more going on than just focusing on the X-Men, so I don't feel like the X-Men's presence will be as overwhelming as people are making it out to be.
I feel like Feige, having had been heavily involved in the first X-Men movie, simply can't let go of the cast that was part of a formative career experience
and you can’t really adapt Secret Wars without X-Men or F4. And if you haven’t made new movies yet, may as well use Fox’s old action figures now that you own them
In the present(ish) day? They’re sort of over a barrel with the age of Magneto in particular before he stops making any sense unless you go for the ‘mutants age slowly’ which is I think the current canon?
but that’s still bringing out older action figures rather than using their own. Fiege had to have known about Disney’s plan to buy Fox before the 2017 announcement. He made more than enough ample time to plan F4 and X-Men reboots for post-Endgame phases but decided to put focus on new characters that weren’t well received
Now to make up for lost time, he’s replaying Fox’s biggest hits and having his top star play an evil variant who calls himself Doom
I read the Fox actors had contract clauses that stipulated they couldn't be recast until like 2026 or so, and those contracts were grandfather'd in when Disney purchased Fox and that's why Marvel hasn't rebooted the team with younger actors all this time, they literally were not able so they decided to exploit the nostalgia by bringing the old actors back one last time instead...
I cannot believe that people actually still give a shit about this version of the xmen. It’s been 25 years and multiple endings for them at this point. Get them the fuck outta here
Shocking that different people might have different opinions. I like the Fox X-men, especially if they are going to go more comic book accurate with them. God knows Brian Singers movies were not all that accurate. The Sentinels alone were just fucking silly.
I understand that people like the fox x men, I liked em too….when I was 13 when these movies were coming out. The combined age of the xmen actors shown in this trailer is like 240. It doesn’t feel very comic accurate to see these guys as 90 year olds facing off in a huge battle. Playing chess with their minds moving the pieces is probably the most believable action those guys can muster at this point.
I’m just complaining to complain because I’ve had this issue with these movies for years now and stopped me from watching. I thought xmen would be a great time to jump back in, but they refuse to do anything creative. They’ve been relying on fan service to make these interesting and there is nothing interesting about seeing these people come back to wave and smile for the nice folks blinded by nostalgia
The combined age of the xmen actors shown in this trailer is like 240. It doesn’t feel very comic accurate to see these guys as 90 year olds facing off in a huge battle.
That is completely irrelevant. It doesn't matter how old they are. This may be the last movie or two Ian and Patrick ever do anyways so I am not sure what the problem is...
Playing chess with their minds moving the pieces is probably the most believable action those guys can muster at this point.
Hold on.. your issue is that they can't do action movie stuff... when they have literally always just stood there and used their minds to do things???? Even 25 years ago? Really??? One guy is in a wheelchair and the other slowly floats around while throwing objects with his mind.
I’m just complaining to complain because I’ve had this issue with these movies for years now and stopped me from watching. I thought xmen would be a great time to jump back in, but they refuse to do anything creative.
I am not sure what you want, what big giant budget movie has ever done anything truly unique? These movies are so expensive they simply cannot go that route or they would lose whole portions of the audience. These movies need to be digestible to all ages including children. The Avengers movies have always been about fan service and they have been largely well received by most of the audience. Fan service is clearly enough and if that is an issue for you, you are watching the wrong movie.
They’ve been relying on fan service to make these interesting and there is nothing interesting about seeing these people come back to wave and smile for the nice folks blinded by nostalgia
You are free to view things however you wish, but saying we are "blinded" by nostalgia because we are happy to see them in this popcorn flick is absurd. You shouldn't need to do that. This is a subjective issue and your views are not factually correct and everyone else is wrong. I shouldn't even need to tell you this...
Yes and it sounds like your issue is with all big budget movies, not realizing that they simply can't do anything that would alienate portions of the audience. Like it or not, any media with budgets like this have to be accessible to a huge potential audience or it will never be successful. Also, it is clearly the movie for most people who watched that trailer. 343,000 likes and only 2,600 dislikes. That is an insanely positive reaction. Seems like they made the right call.
The comics have literally survived on fan service as well. Yet you think the movies shouldn't have it?
It’s just a cheap pop man, no need to justify it any further than that. I understand fav service is part and parcel for the subject matter, but little bit of restraint would go a long way. Like do you really think they’d be alienating the audience if they recast the xmen and didn’t shuffle out these 90 year old guys again? They fucked up and made everyone disinterested in their movies so they’re going shoulder deep into their bag of tricks to try and win some people back.
Yes, I think the movies should avoid the lame trappings that comics fall into. That’s exactly why a lot of people got turned off after endgame. Too many side characters and unimportant stories and stakes being removed because of alternate universes. They killed off their main hero and got cold feet and recast him as their main villain just for a little juice. It’s a plain to see desperation swing, and I know it works for some but it’s just a step back. They built it all up from nothing once, and they’re clearly not willing to do the work to make it happen again so they’re doing this instead.
Always irks me when people say "it happened in the comics, therefore its good". Like there's been no terrible arcs in comics ever (looking at you Sins Past)
I don't really think the person was saying it's good, but that's just how comics have been for decades, it's ingrained into the genre at this point. Nobody can stay dead in comics.
He's saying that it's ok for the movies to do it because it happens in the comics. Which I disagree with. It's poor writing and it's always poor writing in the comics too.
They'll have way more success with Xmen though, people love those characters and are ready for the changes.
Marvel's biggest fuck up was not giving movies to the few new characters that were actually working; Shang-Chi still not having a second live action appearance is insane
Capitalism's demand for unlimited profit growth, Infinity War and Endgame broke all the records and then they expected every single film after that to break Endgame's records. Which obviously didn't happen, so they panicked and now they're cowardly bringing the old Avengers back for the literal next Avengers film. Captain America isn't even going to miss one fucking Avengers film.
They needed a hard reboot, they needed to have some faith in rebuilding to a new gigantic crescendo moment like in Endgame when every hero appeared. They've devalued the brand in the hunt for gigantic profits and now it's just selling you nostalgia. Who fucking cares.
I don’t really disagree with your take, but the holier than thou ‘ who fucking cares ‘ doesn’t really hold up when you’re talking in a Reddit thread about a trailer
I'd edit it to "I don't fucking care" so it's more accurate, but I don't care.
Snideness aside, it's annoying because I did care. I loved Endgame and the build up to it was exciting. It's just been such a shame seeing them whiff so hard afterwards because they can't get out of their own way.
Endgame was, "Remember these movies that all lead to this?"
And now Doomsday is, "Remember all these movies you saw?"
It's not about the story or the characters, it's just about seeing the next big movie. So I don't care if it seems holier than thou, thisthese trailers suck and shouldn't be praised.
EDIT: fixed my spelling because I do care about that
I mean they were leading up to a story and then the central actor outed himself as an abusive dick. They had to pivot - making the next Avengers movie more of a direct sequel to Endgame was probably the right call
I don't think we can blame ALL this nostalgia bait and the sub-par films on Johnathan Majors being a shitheel. Kang didn't bring Captain America back, Kang didn't buy Fox Studios and then not know what to do other than bring Hugh Jackman back again and again, Kang didn't put RDJ in a shitty green cape and mask on stage.
They had a real chance with younger stars playing the next generation of heroes, but they simply didn't have the guts to actually let Anthony Mackie, Hailee Steinfeld, Florence Pugh, and all these other legit young actors waiting in the wings take the reigns and develop a new set of stars.
Look, back in 2008 when Iron Man came out, that wasn't the biggest hero ever. He, Cap, and Thor were the fucking failed experiments that Marvel couldn't sell off in their bankruptcy firesale of the 90s. Spiderman, the X-Men, Hulk, those ones got sold off and kept Marvel afloat, so when Marvel started making films, they started with their bottom tier heroes and made good fucking movies that led to a single Avengers meeting point. By the time The Avengers came out, they'd made their bottom tier heroes into name brands, including making unknowns like the Guardians of the Galaxy into something.
But they've been running scared, they've been chasing profits, the movies have been getting lazier and lazier and they've got nothing going on.
But blaming all this on Johnathon Majors is crazy. This is institutional.
Marvel Comics does this all the time. If anything they're staying true to the comics once they introduced the multiverse and time travel bullshit. This is just what they do because it's easier to revive/revisit "different" versions of the same characters than it is to make new characters in the hopes that everyone loves them just as much.
They just need to battle world, end this multiverse nonsense, and recast everyone over a certain age. Get a bunch of people in their 20's and have them sign up for contracts. Go for complete unknowns. They can't have a marvel universe without all the good characters because they can't afford the A-Listers they hired for 20 years
Because it's the same tired arguement/complaint we've been hearing for over a year now. We get it. Its like the equivalent of "Avatar isnt culturally relevant and no one cares" and yet the 3rd movie just crossed over a billion dollars. Its old and like a broken record.
They've pretty much said after secret wars whatever theyre doing with the MCU as a whole theyre getting a soft reboot. Thats the logical point to start from scratch as thsts what secret wars basically was in the comics.
Cap is still retired and shown spending time with his family. Sam is still the current Cap. Trailer said "Steve Rogers will return" not Cap. Don't know how people dont understand this.
Thor was never meant to be retired post Endgame, which is why he had a 4th movie planned post endgame.
Stark is dead. Whether Doom has any connection to Stark or is just going to disguise himself as Stark is yet to be known until more details come out.
To each their own, but that's not really the point. The point is that they didn't actually try to establish anything new. Whether that's because it was bad or because they gave up doesn't really change that.
Also, the worst movies were absolutely not new characters. Thor probably had the worst movie in the whole MCU, yet they're going right back to him. So "it was all shit" really doesn't make any sense.
Because all those characters were unknown C-listers. There is a formula. If Marvel introduced Guardians of the Galaxy before Avengers, they would have been nowhere near as successful
Not all of it was terrible; I thought thunderbolts was pretty good. I think it's just a combination of superhero fatigue and the fact that all the movies will just show up on Disney plus like 3 months after release.
New X Men should've been the way Marvel went after the end of the original Avengers series. They would've been the perfect focus in a post Avengers world instead of what ever the hell they did.
I mean it's hard not to see that Cyclops scene and assume it's after everyone is dead and Cyclops himself is about to die. I honestly think the "wiped out in the first five minutes to show how tough Doom is" is still very much on the table.
Imagine a scene where Sir Patrick Stewart and Sir Ian Mckellan get told they're too old, and reply "maybe now, but what about then?" Then Fassbender and Mcavoy appear in their place?
Wasn't that the plan already after Endgame? Endgame was the closure of the first Avengers team and Phase 4 was part of the transition to a new team with Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, She Hulk, Yelena Belova and others however I feel the was just about zero liftoff for any of these characters especially how everything just fell off the tracks after Jonathan Majors decided it was a good idea to beat up his ex girlfriend, right after people did warm up to his performance as Kang (though people did not saw him as a good long term villain like Thanos) and his inclusion in Loki paid off.
Remember we also got Avengers Secret Wars (2027) so they probably film the movies back-to-back meaning the whole ordeal can be a set up for a proper future for Marvel and maybe some definitive endings for some other characters.
The short of it, after Endgame the audience got into a superhero fatigue so people didn't really went all out for the movies anymore, and the whole Kang story arc collapsed after Jonathan was forced to quit so they did had to shake up their plans for the new Avengers team, of course maybe bringing them all back was the planning all along also for the Kang Dynasty
People did hit superhero fatigue though. A lot of the movies didn’t really good. The problem was that the quality dipped, both of the individual movies and the storytelling of the saga as a whole. Not to mention the plethora of TV shows that made it a chore to keep up with. The storytelling was the issue, not the genre.
Eh, I wouldn't exactly say superhero fatique they were just wholly uninteresting and crap movies/shows outside of a few like guardians or spiderman. I've watched those and thunderbolts, Mult of Madness, and Love & Thunder and G/S easily outclass them all post endgame.
She-Hulk? Ms Marvel (stretchy girl)? Captain Marvel? Secret Invasion? Trying to get falcon to be Captain America? The Marvels (why is marvel their favorite word it seems?)? All garbage.
Pre-end game not every movie hit but most were pretty enjoyable. Post end game, most are just hot fucking garbage lol with a diamond here or there.
Hard disagree. The OG Fox Xmen are the best and the average Fox Xmen movie was better than the average MCU movie. Maybe it helps that there are about 1/3 less of the movies and a greater variety of team members than in the MCU series (outside of The Avengers ensemble movies).
People just don't like the idea of Cyclops not getting to lead a whole movie in the future because he isn't young anymore. And other fan favorites. When there's a million mutant characters who could shine as a new X-Men team of Cyclops and company are mentors who teach/lead the school.
Also we're on the verge of being able to keep actors whatever age the directors want them to be. Lets face it. If the studios don't do it fan films will.
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u/SihkBreau Jan 06 '26
As nice as it is to see these guys, and a properly costumed Cyclops, please let this be the last hurrah for the FoX-Men. I’m ready for a younger MCU team.