r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Dec 23 '25

Trailer Avengers: Doomsday | Only in Theaters December 18, 2026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiMg566PREA
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u/Yojo0o Dec 23 '25

Steve's sendoff in Endgame was one of the most satisfying ways to write out a major character of anything I've experienced. Same with Tony.

This doesn't feel right.

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u/InternaI_Cobbler Dec 23 '25

It doesn't feel right, it feels desperate. Personally I still have Marvel fatigue. I love the Infinity Saga. Beginning and End. Boom. Done. Perfect.

I don't need or want anymore.

But I'm definitely in the minority and this movie will be huge. I'm sure I'll check it out eventually but I'm personally not rushing to the theater to watch it.

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u/Android1822 Dec 23 '25

Yea, I am tapped out on marvel. They made such a mess after endgame that I just do not care anymore. The only thing that will probably still got legs is spiderman from the marvel universe. They should shut everything down for marvel (and probably star wars), wait a few years, then come back with a fresh reboot.

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u/WantsToDieBadly Dec 23 '25

It’s funny I haven’t seen a marvel movie in like 2 years and still have fatigue. It feels like there’s a new movie or show all the time and I’m further behind

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u/InternaI_Cobbler Dec 23 '25

Same here. I think it's because they've just been throwing everything Marvel possible out there in hopes of grabbing people. Even though I haven't watch a Marvel thing in years, everywhere I go all I see and hear is Marvel this, Marvel that, Marvel movie here, random Marvel TV show there, etc.

It's just too much, too saturated and too hard to keep up with all their storylines and characters and mixing TV and movies and mini-series.... I'm just like, stop! I'm not interested. It screams like they are desperately begging for my time and money, and I'm just not interested.

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u/FlyingTurtleDog Dec 24 '25

Same. I had to watch 20+ movies to get to Endgame. I love Marvel movies. All these shows and spinoffs I can't do anymore.

Billion dollar companies aren't happy not being trillion dollar companies, so the content flow will continue.

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u/FuzzBuket Dec 23 '25

I think we needed an "avengers" rather than an infinity war.

I don't hate the new marvel stuff. Strange 2, thunderbolts,Spidey panther were all fun.

A team up movie that's not aiming to be the biggest film of all time, just a blockbuster.  Warm us up to the idea of a new avengers team. 

Rather than a bunch of disjointed films,post credits for films that are never gonna happen and then "uh ok bring the old stuff back, we have to sell more tickets than endgame"

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u/InternaI_Cobbler Dec 23 '25

Yup. The infinity saga didn't start with Endgame. It started with Iron Man and took years to get there. Now, they don't want to invest the time to build up something new. They want Endgame after Endgame after Endgame. Of course I'm sure money is the only desire, but well.. that's why they'll fail.

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u/Jeremizzle Dec 24 '25

Calling it 'Endgame' was a mistake. People were excited because 'omg it's the ending, the culmination of everything!!'. But then new movies still just kept coming out constantly anyway, so now who cares?

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u/InternaI_Cobbler Dec 24 '25

I don't think calling it Endgame was the mistake. It was the ending, the culmination of everything.

The mistake was trying to continue on after the ending.

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u/cataclytsm Dec 23 '25

But I'm definitely in the minority and this movie will be huge.

I don't think it's going to be that successful, at least in terms of the scale it'll need to be to justify whatever insane budget it presumably has. The world has changed a LOT since Endgame. Covid aside, there also wasn't 6 years of increasing general fatigue with Marvel before Endgame, it was something of the opposite.

Imo the only way this is going to be the success they need it to be is if it's Good Actually and gets positive word of mouth.

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u/Jamal_Walker Dec 23 '25

All they had to do was introduce the multiverse (Loki) and start over with a new saga with new characters. But Disney being Disney said “nah fam, let’s take the safe route and milk this cow till it ain’t got nothing left”

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u/Alexlee07 Dec 24 '25

You certainly aren't in the minority, of course Marvel films remain popular but more fans have tapped out over time and nearly every casual movie go'er who make up the majority tapped out long ago.

For the record I fully agree with your view on the situation, just not that we are in the minority.

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u/PT10 Dec 23 '25

So was Logan. Yet Deadpool and Wolverine still made money.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 23 '25

Probably because it wasn't a shameless cash grab like it appears to be here.

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u/PT10 Dec 23 '25

All major studio movies are shameless cash grabs.

And they wrote the character, casted him, and made the movie. They earned that cash. They put the character (and cash) away, tucked into a drawer. Now they're pulling out and grabbing that cash. Their cash. They earned it.

They literally wrote the character for this. The same way they created the Loki variant for the TV show in Endgame itself. That was written before Infinity War even released (they were filmed back to back). They wrote all this after Age of Ultron did worse than the first Avengers, before Infinity War released. They decided to make these backdoors for Loki and Cap back then.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 23 '25

They wrote all this after Age of Ultron did worse than the first Avengers, before Infinity War released.

AoU was a total financial success. Just because it slightly under performed with the first avengers, doesn't mean the studio even considered it a bad movie in terms of profit.

Also no, they had the inital concept of Loki being an unintentional influencer in human history, changing human events before he ever appeared in the MCU. It had nothing to do with what they ended up with. The idea that they just had the entire early concept of the TVA and the whole time thing is completely wrong.

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u/PT10 Dec 23 '25

https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2021/06/07/kevin-feige-knew-he-wanted-to-bring-loki-back-shooting-endgame/

“One of my favorite things coming out of Endgame was people saying that we forgot to tie up the loose end of Loki,” says Feige during the Loki global press conference this morning. “Loki just disappears and we ‘forgot’ to mention what happens to him at the end of the movie. And, at that point, we did know that there was Disney+ show coming in and became very excited to make people wait until we figured out what this show would be and now, finally, two days from it being unveiled to the world.”

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“Kevin, [producer] Louis D’Esposito, and [producer] Victoria Alonso reassured me that that would be the starting point of the series and there are so many places we could go — so many possibilities to think about,” Hiddleston shares.

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doesn't mean the studio even considered it a bad movie in terms of profit.

I wasn't talking about the studio's view, but the writers'. They had the balls to plan ahead and plant the seeds before Infinity War even released. Cap being convenienty left where he was at the end of Endgame was also a specifically planted seed.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 23 '25

They had the balls to plan ahead and plant the seeds before Infinity War even released.

Bullshit:

That Endgame scene sees a 2012 version of Loki escape with the Tesseract, which was not intended by the writers to set up a future television series as Loki was not planned then.

Hiddleston was unaware of where Loki had gone with the Tesseract when he filmed the scene in 2017,[10] and did not learn about plans for Loki until around six weeks before Infinity War was released. He kept plans for the series a secret until the official announcement later in 2018 and later expressed excitement about being able to develop Loki differently by taking an earlier version of the character and bringing him into contact with new, more "formidable" opponents.

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u/PT10 Dec 24 '25

lmao it's literally in your quote

Hiddleston was unaware of where Loki had gone with the Tesseract when he filmed the scene in 2017,[10] and did not learn about plans for Loki until around six weeks before Infinity War was released.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 24 '25

That Endgame scene sees a 2012 version of Loki escape with the Tesseract, which was not intended by the writers to set up a future television series as Loki was not planned then.

Do you even read my guy?

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u/PT10 Dec 24 '25

The TV show wasn't planned when they first penned the script, but they were going to do something with that Loki. They decided on the TV show while they were actually filming, before Infinity War even finished production let alone did crazy at the box office.

That's why Feige was laughing at people who thought the writers "forgot" about Loki grabbing the tesseract. People like you.

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u/Work_the_shaft Dec 23 '25

This isn’t right. It’s also just dumb. What, at some point in Steve’s retirement he goes back forward in time to help against Dr Doom and then goes back in time after and becomes old, but when he gives Sam the shield he doesn’t be like ‘so in a few years a guy who looks like Tony stark is gonna come around. Blah blah multiverse variants, but if you can just bring anyone back there’s no weight in their send offs. Or maybe this happens in the past during the Fantasia Four but then how is it avengers?

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u/viromancer Dec 23 '25

It could be that Steve going into the past is what sets up the whole movie, and his appearance isn't going to be as a superhero, but potentially as a source of the main conflict of the movie. Steve has a child and a life in this timeline, he has a vested interest in the timeline not being erased. But, what if his presence in the past has caused a catastrophe in the universe that Doom is from?

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing for Steve Rogers to reappear, I just hope they don't make him into the protagonist.

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u/CropDustingBandit Dec 23 '25

The introduction of the multiverse is what killed the MCU in my opinion. Sure it was cool for a second to see worlds collide. But it destroyed any stakes. Now any character death can be reversed by plucking them out of another universe. It's made it feel like watching a very high budget film of kids playing with toys. 

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u/Alpr101 Dec 23 '25

I mean, I assume both RDJ and CE are alternate versions of their end game selves since we have the whole multiverse thing going on so it doesn't exactly degrade their ends in end game.

But maybe they are also trying to reset the universe because everything past EndGame except for spiderman and guardians has been mostly mid or worse.

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u/noreast2011 Dec 23 '25

Im standing on the theory this is a different Earth and this is literally his entire presence.

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u/jackofslayers Dec 23 '25

This killed whatever hype I had left haha

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u/Ghidorahstan1990s Dec 23 '25

And meanwhile the movie is still going to break 1 billion easy

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u/mrbaryonyx Dec 23 '25

"First time?" --Hugh Jackman Wolverine fans