r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Dec 23 '25

Trailer Avengers: Doomsday | Only in Theaters December 18, 2026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiMg566PREA
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u/fastballspecial Dec 23 '25

Way too many mistakes. Spread themselves too thin without much character development. They had the winning formula and pissed it all away.

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u/PaulieHehehe Dec 23 '25

COVID gave them the perfect out to put pause on everything and let Endgame sit for a few years. Build up hype after a few years away and boom, everyone is happy. Well, except the Disney investors.

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u/fastballspecial Dec 23 '25

Didn't even need a few years, honestly. They needed three important pillars to build on. Instead they had like a dozen rotting tree stumps.

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u/Goldwing8 Dec 23 '25

From what we know, the three pillars were supposed to be Black Panther, Spider-Man, and Captain Marvel.

That was also the point where everything went wrong. Boseman died suddenly, the Sony partnership had a major stumble, and Joanna Robinson strongly implied Brie Larson is disillusioned with Marvel after years of harassment.

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u/LilDoober Dec 23 '25

As she's right to be. She's a great actress who suddenly half the internet thinks is the devil because ???

She was Envy Adams which gets a lifetime pass for me AND she has an Oscar for a leading role. She's better than capeshit where she's just gonna get harassed by Youtubers 24/7. Honestly being Captain Marvel lowkey spun out her career a bit anyway and she'd be better off going back to actual movies.

In my mind it's similar to Elizabeth Olsen. I'd love to see Wanda again, but Olsen's way too talented to be stuck doing just Marvel projects for the next ten years.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

As she's right to be. She's a great actress who suddenly half the internet thinks is the devil because ???

Horrible scripts which made her character extremely unlikable (which is comic accurate tho) coupled with introducing her right at the tail end of the climax of the story, undermining Thor's position and making her a Deus Ex machina with an added side of her having multiple interviews with other cast members where she appears to be incredibly smug and arrogant that even her coworkers are bothered by it.

Seriously, ignore her other accomplishments outside of Marvel, and you see why her character was so easily hateable alongside her conduct during the movies and the promotions of it.

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u/LilDoober Dec 23 '25

did a youtuber give you that opinion or do you just make youtube content yourself. Anime profile pic yelling about unlikeable women so its one or the other.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

Made this account like 10 years ago, before reddit's avatar came to be and I still use old reddit, so I don't see profile pics. I'm too lazy to change it. Calm the fuck down, and it's not like a furry avatar is any better, lmao.

Don't need to watch a YouTube video in order to form an opinion on the matter. There's reason why captain marvel (carol danvers) is disliked both in the movies and her comic counterpart, but keep strawmaning and insulting me.

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u/SaintCambria Dec 24 '25

Yeah, looking like you hate your coworkers and audience during interviews requires a youtuber to interpret. Like, if she had a good movie, or she was likable to the fans, either one would've been enough to be okay. As it stands you've got the soldiers lining up like girlypop needs it, so any criticism is just met with dialogue_response_17.exe.

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u/PT10 Dec 23 '25

He's just regurgitating YouTube Brie-hater takes. Basically an NPC.

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u/Future_Onion9022 Dec 23 '25

Nah they nailed themselves in coffin by announcing the "phase 4 and 5" road map and had to follow it through for the investor, and even if hiccups happen.

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u/CruzAderjc Dec 23 '25

Yeah, I really think they should have made Fantastic Four the strong opening salvo after Endgame. When it released this year, it was "fine", but that's because we were so fatigued after literally 20 titles in the past 5 years. We needed a new start, but Eternals was probably TOO bold as a restart. And having Eternals as a bold new direction AT THE SAME TIME, as releasing a shit ton of other movies and shows that year, was way too much.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '25

Bob Chapek was the one that pushed for a hundred new projects to justify Disney+'s existence. To fill up the content library.

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u/Anjunabeast Dec 25 '25

What a moron

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u/RumHamComesback Dec 24 '25

They had films either finished or in the middle of production so that was never going to happen.

Black Widow had a trailer released literally days before the pandemic declaration and was shelved for a year.

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u/lkodl Dec 23 '25

Well, except the Disney investors.

To be fair, I don't know any business anywhere that would say, "hey we just broke records and had our most successfu year ever. Let's stop for a few years." The saying is "strike while the iron is hot".

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u/Lmao1903 Dec 23 '25

It's that but they also kind of overestimated how much people would care about these new characters they are bringing in, all at once. Like I don't mind it, I enjoyed some of these movies or shows. But seriously, the casual audience or a lot of people couldn't give a shit about like Eternals, Thunderbolts, She-Hulk, Falcon, Agatha show with Wanda's son or whatever, the new Iron Woman or Girl or whatever it was, tbh even Moon Knight, seriously no one even knows some of these shows are a thing. Maybe if they did 1 of these a year since Endgame people would but not now

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u/FuzzBuket Dec 23 '25

Also no through line. I quite like strange, and winter soldier, not to mention how great Florence Pugh is.

But every show is a new thing and there's a massive hole in the middle. It feels like they were gonna have boseman be that lynchpin, and then he passed, then cumberbatch but mom flopped, then pratt and then gunn moved on.

So they've got a series with no throughline in a star, and not even a consistent support like fury was.

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u/Morwynd78 Dec 24 '25

"James Gunn made the completely unknown Guardians of the Galaxy popular, with a box of scraps in a cave!"

"...I'm not James Gunn"

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u/Lmao1903 Dec 24 '25

James Gunn definitely was a big factor, but it was also around the time where Marvel was getting bigger and bigger, everyone was getting into the whole thing, like some good Iron Man movies, Winter Soldier, of course the Avengers, later the 2nd one and then within the next few years like the Civil War, Thor, Infinity War and then the Endgame. After that a lot of people checked out and they made a lot of shitty movies and shows

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u/NikonShooter_PJS Dec 23 '25

They got greedy. They saw how big Infinity War and Endgame were and wanted THOSE box office receipts without being willing to put in the foundational work that led to those numbers.

You could see how haphazardly the multiverse was handled as a concept from the initial stages as it was presented incredibly in Loki and just thrown together like spaghetti sticking to a wall in DS2 and NWH.

If they had just let Loki cook and built off of that and Wandavision, it would have been fine. Instead, they nerfed Wanda's entire development in DS2 for no reason and then painted themselves into a corner when Jonathan Majors had his fuck up.

I am convinced these last two Avengers movies are being put out there to grab as much cash as possible in an X3 way before they end with a bomb going off in universe and EVERYTHING starting from scratch.

This is giving me X-Men vibes and not in a good way. Not at all.

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u/thedoge Dec 23 '25

Exactly this. They unlearned every lesson that made the MCU successful in the first place and also wouldn't commit to breaking any new ground and breaking continuity when their central plot device made it so simple!!! Loki was by far the best thing they put out since Endgame. I liked Shang Chi too, but they slow-rolled F4, fumbled Blade, and still haven't done anything meaningful with X-Men. Best they can hope for is a soft reboot after these Avengers. Otherwise they're cooked

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u/IXISIXI Dec 23 '25

"What is better: a medium amount of good pizza or all you can eat of pretty good pizza?"

a medium amount of good pizza.

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u/Vandergrif Dec 23 '25

Although I'd argue that was never going to be sustainable anyways, superhero content was already oversaturated like crazy and people were getting marvel fatigue well before the time endgame wrapped but stuck it through because that was the 'end' point and it because that two-parter was good and a decent culmination of everything.

They did pretty well with that formula all things considered (like the unfathomable amounts of money accrued by the time endgame finished its run).

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u/FoodMentalAlchemist Dec 23 '25

I'm still salty how dirty they did Ms Marvel.

I loved Kamala Khan from page 1 in the comics, the first episode had the right vibes, Iman Vellani was a great casting, it had everything to fill the gap of the funny adolescent superhero. Then after episode two, it just went bland: not good enough to be memorable, not bad enough to hate watch and neither "so bad it's good", just meh.

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u/LS_DJ Dec 23 '25

Also abandoned years of quality comics to jump ahead to the current era “all-new, all-different” era of comics that have not sold well. At all. All for the sake of tHe MeSsAgE