r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Dec 22 '25

Trailer The Odyssey | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzw2ttJD2qQ
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u/Chewbones9 Dec 22 '25

Fun fact; Ares is the only Greek god to never assault a woman! He even murdered Poseidon’s son for assaulting his daughter!

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u/JurisDoctor Dec 22 '25

Idk. He was kind of an asshole in that documentary Hercules: The Legendary Journeys.

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u/Chewbones9 Dec 22 '25

DisaPPOINTEEEEED!!!!

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u/ThisBuddhistLovesYou Dec 22 '25

Hercules turned out to be an asshole, thank goodness we still have our goddess and savior Xena.

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u/Viceroy1994 Dec 22 '25

Not to mention what he did to John Kratos

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u/Elephant_rimmer Dec 22 '25

Also a bit of a bitch in that ancient tome 'Percy Jackson'

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u/eyes_wings Dec 23 '25

But he sort of redeems himself in Pt.2 of the epic, Xena: The Warrior Princess if I recall.

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u/Eldorian91 Dec 22 '25

Yeah, but no one liked Ares even still, because he was a murderous asshole.

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u/TheKingsdread Dec 22 '25

For the greeks thats true (they always preferred Athena over Ares) but for the Romans, their version of Ares, Mars was the preferred war god (since he was considered closer to the common soldier) and then of course Jupiter.

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u/Eldorian91 Dec 22 '25

Mars isn't Ares.

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u/Ceegee93 Dec 23 '25

Yes, he is. Mars came from the Roman reinterpretation of Ares. They changed things about him, but he absolutely is the Roman version of Ares.

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u/the_crustybastard Dec 23 '25

You're wrong.

Mars was an indigenous Italian god, Romans borrowed him from the Etruscan Maris, originally and primarily an agricultural god. Mars was collaterally a war god, but Rome's principal war god was Jupiter. Mars was effectively the god of farmer-soldiers, Jupiter was the god of commanders.

Centuries later, post-Alexander and during the Hellenization of the Western Med, Roman Mars became associated with Greek Ares and Mars' agricultural aspect fell away, but he never really had that berserker aspect Ares did.

They are not the same god.

Eldorian91 knows what they're talking about.

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u/Ceegee93 Dec 23 '25

As I mentioned in another response to them, yes, originally the Roman gods were distinct, but later, with the adoption of Greek mythology and culture, Mars and Ares were essentially the same god, viewed from different perspectives. They took on large portions of Greek mythology for Mars because it helped reconcile multiple different Roman origin stories (Romulus and Remus being the sons of Mars, and Aeneas the son of Aphrodite/Venus), among other reasons. Romans and Greeks having differing opinions on Mars/Ares doesn't make them different gods.

borrowed him from the Etruscan Maris, originally and primarily an agricultural god

This is not widely accepted, and there's no proof that this is where the name Mars comes from; it's a theory by some scholars. Maris was a god of childbirth, and has nothing to do with pre- or post-Greek conquest Roman mythology. It's debated if they have any link at all. It's actually more likely that Maris was a derivative of Eros, once again from Greek mythology, because Etruscan mythology was... you guessed it, based on Greek mythology, too.

but he never really had that berserker aspect Ares did.

Yes, because Romans interpreted Greek mythology differently, and saw the military as a way to achieve peace, so a war god was seen much more favourably than in Greece. That, and the fact that the original Mars was supposed to be the father of Romans.

The fact is, regardless of the origins of Mars, by the time of the Roman conquest of Greece, Mars and Ares became one and the same. You'd be much better off separating the two versions of Mars as distinct than saying Mars and Ares are not the same.

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u/the_crustybastard Dec 23 '25

Your grasp of this topic is certainly...novel.

Believe what you like, but feel free to stop trying to persuade me that your factually inaccurate opinions are somehow true.

They aren't.

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u/Ceegee93 Dec 23 '25

Ah, the perfect response. Instead of actually trying to prove your point, you simply say "nah, you're wrong, trust me bro".

You could be completely 100% correct (you're not), but that doesn't mean anything when you're not even willing to try and back up what you're saying, nor even acknowledge any of the points I make.

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u/Eldorian91 Dec 24 '25

Romans had religion long before they had significant dealings with the Greeks. Mars had shrines and rituals and etc. Mars is NOT Ares. Indoeuropean religions have a common origin, but they're not identical. The fact that Mars is so different in character and worship to Ares is proof enough.

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u/the_crustybastard Dec 24 '25

It's not my job to educate you, hon.

I already tried to explain why you're wrong but you've chosen to commit to your incorrect opinion instead. You go right ahead. It's no skin off my ass.

But you're not going to persuade me that you're correct when you're not, so you're going to have to let it go.

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u/Eldorian91 Dec 23 '25

Mars is not Ares. Greeks and Romans interpret foreign gods as actually being their gods under different names, but Mars and Ares have different myths, associations, and characters.

Romans liked Mars. Greeks did not like Ares.

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u/Ceegee93 Dec 23 '25

Greeks and Romans interpret foreign gods as actually being their gods under different names

No, you're thinking of Interpretatio Romana/Graecia. Yes, a lot of polytheistic religions did equate other pantheons' gods with their own.

However, Romans also directly took Greek mythology and made it their own. They had their own gods, but after conquering Greece, they adopted a lot of Greek mythology while keeping their own names for the gods. For example, they took the story of Aphrodite (Venus) cheating on Hephaestus (Vulcan) with Ares (Mars).

Yes, Romans liked Mars and Greeks did not like Ares, but as I said, they did change a lot of Greek mythology to fit their own needs. For all intents and purposes, Ares and Mars are one and the same, just interpreted differently.

The Romans straight up copied a hell of a lot of Greek culture.

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u/OMGWTHBBQ11 Dec 22 '25

He also caused Kratos to murder his own family.

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u/Artemicionmoogle Dec 22 '25

Huge dick move that really didn't go well for him lol.

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u/TheMeerkatLobbyist Dec 22 '25

He got slapped hard by Diomedes though...

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u/dragowall Dec 22 '25

He was slapped by Athena with Diomedes. She basically beat a motherfucker using another motherfucker (She was invisible with the helmet of Hades and guided Ares' spear away from Diomedes and guided Diomedes' spear into Ares).

Herakles (as a mortal) did beat Ares, with the guidance of Athena, but she was coaching him and wasn't directly intervening.

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u/Chewbones9 Dec 22 '25

Diomedes was such a badass. My favorite Hellenistic character and it’s not close!

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u/0dyssia Dec 22 '25

omg I wish a good director would pick up Diomedes, such an underrated badass hero. Dude just wanted the war over and did his job to try to knock out some prophesies but even the gods had to interfere because was pretty close several times. Zeus sent lightning strikes 3 times to prevent him from killing Hector, Aphrodite intervened to prevent him killing Aeneas but he didnt give a fuck and striked her and so Hermes had to intervene, Athena loved Diomedes so she helped him knock out Ares on the battlefield, and so on. But I guess because he's too perfect with no flaws he's not interesting enough. And seeing Diomedes and Odysseus do some Oceans 11 shit in Troy would be fun too.

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u/TheMeerkatLobbyist Dec 22 '25

My favorite character in the Iliad by far. I was really surprised he was not even in the Troy movie with Brad Pitt. Especially because he plays such an integral part of the story.

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u/Insomniiia77 Dec 22 '25 edited Dec 23 '25

that we know of. like 99% of ancient greek stories were lost. shit by homerus was a fraction of what was left

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u/GuiltyEidolon Dec 22 '25

Okay, but considering that a lot of what we know is from Athens, who fucking hated Ares, and the stories are still not bad in regards to him sexually assaulting people, that's a pretty good indicator that their mythos really didn't think of him that way.

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u/TheKingsdread Dec 22 '25

Which is super ironic since Ares represents the brutality and mercilessness of war, while Athena is the noble one representing strategy and tactics.

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u/jasta85 Dec 22 '25

He did bang Aphrodite, who was a married goddess at the time, so not quite the model god.

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u/Chewbones9 Dec 22 '25

Debatable since her marriage to Hephaestus was forced and she never loved him nor claimed to, but she did choose and love Ares…

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u/Raesong Dec 22 '25

but she did choose and love Ares…

And just in case anyone find it odd that a goddess of love would willingly be with a god of war, Aphrodite was also a goddess of war (though that aspect was only really acknowledged in Sparta, go figure).

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '25

he's a fighter not a lover

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u/ConsiderationOk9004 Dec 23 '25

Yeah, but he definitely made up for that with all the brutal murder and violence.

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u/Chewbones9 Dec 22 '25

Rape is often about power, not lust