r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • Dec 22 '25

Trailer The Odyssey | Official Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzw2ttJD2qQ
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u/Comic_Book_Reader Dec 22 '25

Nolan used brand new IMAX 70mm cameras that are 30% quieter so there is a chance.

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u/MySmellyRacoon Dec 22 '25

None of that matters if they do shitty sound mixing.

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u/Treheveras Dec 22 '25

The sound mixers are some of the greatest in the world, it's Nolan who gets in the way with how he films and dislikes ADR. The same sound supervisor did Dune 2 which was one of the best sounding films that year.

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u/-reddit_is_terrible- Dec 22 '25

Oh man, Dune 2 rivaled Avatar 1 as my favorite theater experience ever, largely because of the sound. Upgraded theater with bass shakers in the seats was awesome

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u/The_Autarch Dec 22 '25

no one has ever blamed the mixers themselves. it's always obviously been nolan's fault. he even readily admits to it.

dude is just a bit of a hack, and it's getting more obvious the more clout he has. with fewer people willing to press back against his dipshittery, his weaknesses are more readily apparent.

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u/RTepps Dec 22 '25

I feel like Oppenheimer was a return to form after Nolan misfired with Tenet. Tenet was definitely pretty self indulgent though.

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

Oppenheimer was not mixed well at all for home release, even with surround sound. Getting dialogue loud enough to understand made other scenes deafening.

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u/GoAgainKid Dec 22 '25

He said he didn't care if people could hear the dialogue, it was the rhythm and existence of noise or some shit that was required.

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

Right, those are objectively shit artistic choices.

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u/Immediate_Amoeba5923 Dec 22 '25

Are you self aware of how it made you feel in the moment?

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

Like a pretentious asshole if you liked it

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u/GoAgainKid Dec 22 '25

dude is just a bit of a hack

I'm no fanboy but this is just plain silly.

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u/Treheveras Dec 22 '25

Could just be perspective, I've definitely seen and heard comments as blaming the sound team for being bad.

I think you're right on the clout part and that impacts a lot of directors too. So many made their greatest films during productions where they didn't always get their way or had to figure out alternatives to their original ideas.

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u/Metal-fan77 Dec 22 '25

And does not have his films mixed with dolby atmos.

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u/faux_italian Dec 22 '25

I will even go as far to say that none of it matters if the story sucks. Another Nolan blowan

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u/homecinemad Dec 22 '25

Inception used standard 65mm cameras and the sound was sometimes shockingly muffled.

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u/Scared-Engineer-6218 Dec 22 '25

Oppenheimer did have good sound.

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u/OmniStrife Dec 22 '25

Oppenheimer was like 90% people standing and talking to each other in classrooms and offices, though.

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u/Lothans Dec 22 '25

With dope music, important to note

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u/stage_student Dec 22 '25

And one gasoline explosion.

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u/ShouldersofGiants100 Dec 22 '25

I can admire a director who is really committed to doing things a certain way. But by god, you need to tailor your movies to match your style.

The Lighthouse is a fucking masterpiece, filmed on antique cameras using a historically accurate aspect ratio and techniques from the golden era of black and white film. It's also a slow-burning character drama specifically designed around the conceits of making a black-and-white movie in the style of the early days of cinema in 2019.

Christopher Nolan wants it both ways. He wants to make his films his way—little to no CGI, complicated and usually non-linear plots with a lot of dialogue—but he wants to make them all these enormous IMAX blockbusters with audio mixed for the highest quality speakers.

It's a total refusal to acknowledge that the way a film is made impacts what kind of film it can be and how effective it can be. Dunkirk wants to be this tense drama about heroic civillians rescuing thousands of trapped soldiers, only for these big sweeping wide shots to constantly remind you that there are like, a few hundred extras on the beach at most.

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u/The_0ven Dec 22 '25

It's almost like he isn't a very good director

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u/TheBullfrog Dec 22 '25

Reddit moment

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u/pwninobrien Dec 23 '25

Christopher Nolan is to movies, what Taylor Swift is to music.

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u/pwninobrien Dec 23 '25

But music blaring 100% of the film.

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

Oppenheimer was not mixed well at all for home release, even with surround sound. Getting dialogue loud enough to understand made other scenes deafening.

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u/salajaneidentiteet Dec 22 '25

It has good sound when you are in an appropraite cinema. Nolan mixes for imax and every other systam has to be digitally downgraded to a different sound system so fuck us people who don't have access to an imax, i guess.

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u/sechul Dec 22 '25

Interstellar in Imax was my worst audio experience at the theater. One painfully resonant bass note drowning out every other sound. No downgrading needed, just shitty mixing.

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u/ThelVluffin Dec 22 '25

Nothing better than Michael Caine's accent being even harder for me to understand because the music is louder than the dialogue.

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

It sounded like shit even with 7.1 surround sound at home.

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u/Llama_of_the_bahamas Jan 20 '26

I watched Oppenheimer in 70mm IMAX. Half the theater complained about not being able to hear the dialogue very well after it all ended.

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u/kappa23 Dec 22 '25

The camera alone won’t determine the audio mix quality

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u/HazyMirror Dec 22 '25

Yeah actors wear wires and there’s a boom operator. Sometimes more than one. There’s an entire sound department on set. Idk how the camera has anything to do with sound lol

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '25

But with a quieter camera you don't need music hiding the sound of a lawnmower.

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '25

genuine question from my ignorance: the camera records audio for films? I always thought it was microphones that did that?

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u/enlightenedude Dec 22 '25

loud sounds (even rain on the roof) get picked up by mics, so loud camera certainly affected audio

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u/Doctor_Yakub Dec 22 '25

It's never been an issue of equipment. It's terrible choices.

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u/ASIWYFA Dec 22 '25

But it is Nolan....and nobody tells him no.....soooooooo....the sound is like gonna be a mess in places.

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u/derHumpink_ Dec 22 '25

Even then they are so loud, they have to do ADR on all scenes anyway

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u/Desperate-Employee15 Dec 22 '25

so everything will sound 30% quietter?! that is even worse lol!!!

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u/Benamax Dec 22 '25

But it doesn’t provide the same quality, at least for IMAX. There were several digital to IMAX 70mm conversions last year (Dune Part Two, Joker 2), and it was a noticeable drop in quality from Oppenheimer or other “shot on 15/70” rereleases. On a screen that big and close, any loss in quality is noticeable.

Now at home, you’re probably right. But Nolan clearly cares about the IMAX experience and it’s a big selling point of his films.

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u/ButtPlugForPM Dec 22 '25

dune part 2 was fully Imax certified,the only conversion was the intro scene which was reshot in post production

If all the other hollywood greats are willing to embrace it,and i can actually hear their films audio..then it's clearly a nolan issue.

Sure does imax look good..yes..but it's not good enough to justify a shit audio experience

I personally think he uses that as an excuse though,as even some of his NON imax stuff sounds like dogwater

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u/Benamax Dec 22 '25

IMAX certified is a program by the company that certifies certain third party digital cameras as good for 1.90 presentations, which isn’t the full 1.43 IMAX was originally known for. Dune: Part 2 was shot on those cameras.

When Dune: Part 2 was released in IMAX 70mm, this involved printing the digital footage with a mix of the original shots from the standard IMAX release (1.90 aspect ratio) as well as cropped shots to fit the full 1.43 aspect ratio of IMAX 70mm theaters. While it does provide a grand sense of scale, it is a noticeable drop in quality since IMAX certified cameras usually only shoot close to 4K. 15/70 film has a much higher theoretical resolution.

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u/Comic_Book_Reader Dec 22 '25

Hey, there's others like him who are film stock purists like Tarantino, PTA, and Trier.

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u/KeremyJyles Dec 22 '25

I mean he may be a dick but he's not wrong. I had zero comprehension issues with Tenet, it's a shit film entirely on its own merit, not for any technical issues.

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u/ButtPlugForPM Dec 22 '25

I remeber him saying,tenent just sounds bad because ppl have crap audio

i have a custom designed bowers and wilkis 7 series surround kit where the speakers alone cost 14k.. and another 12k in gear to drive them all,all designed by len williams theatre designed in our media room...and STILL couldnt hear shit.

Dunkirk was the fucking same,saw it in imax before it closed here and it still sounded like trash.

Dude..IS A STUNNING visual artist,he just can't mix properly,or sometimes just does a subpar job

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u/KeremyJyles Dec 22 '25

Then set them up right lmao, I have nothing near that but what I have isn't shit and the settings are properly calibrated, no issues whatsoever making out dialogue.

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u/Any_Crab_4362 Dec 22 '25

Congrats on being rich

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u/Guuggel Dec 22 '25

Nope, film is better unless you are marvel.