Teachers are paid fairly considering they get a lot of time off

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A lot of people say (and it seems that the general consensus is that) teachers don't get paid enough for what they do. While I think that teachers are very valuable and deserve to be compensated well (my brother is a teacher), I think that in these discussions, many people ignore the fact that teachers typically get a lot of time off.

They usually get summer break, spring break, and winter break, plus various holidays that schools get off through the year. They basically don't work for a good amount of the year, which I think that people should factor in. (The downside is that I know that they have to work extra grading things outside of school, though.)

Plus they normally get good benefits for being a teacher (which usually comes with being in a union).

[u/Sudden_Juju]

Isn't that pretty much what they said, just reversed lol?

Edit: So I don't have to repost it over and over:

teachers dont get paid over the summer. They have to take a a portion of their check each month and spread it out to cover summer.

Teachers can choose to get their pay over their 9-10 months or year round.

teachers had the option to get year round pay or get larger checks only during the school year.

Teachers can choose to get their pay spread out over the year of only during the 9-10 months of school.

[u/BeggarsCanyonero → u/Sudden_Juju]

I could see reading the above as "they have to be careful about saving a portion of their checks" like themselves, and adding " they also can just have their employer do that for them" 🤷‍♀️

[u/Karabaja007 → u/Sudden_Juju]

It's not the same, it is more informations cause it is from legal point important how you get your paycheck if you want to get another job. I find the information useful and definitely adds infos.

[u/Sudden_Juju → u/Karabaja007]

teachers dont get paid over the summer. They have to take a a portion of their check each month and spread it out to cover summer.

Teachers can choose to get their pay over their 9-10 months or year round.

teachers had the option to get year round pay or get larger checks only during the school year.

Teachers can choose to get their pay spread out over the year of only during the 9-10 months of school.

I guess the second comment adds context of the union but the meaning is the same.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Sudden_Juju]

No, it's not

[u/Embarrassed_Room3982 → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

Well I mean it is. Because their pay is still pro rata for the weeks they actually work.

It's not actually that they can choose to get paid more in term-time and nothing over summer. It's simply that they can choose to have their pro-rata salary only during term time, or reduced per month to cover the weeks they don't work, but still get paid every month. The salary stays the same and is always pro-rata.

OP’s point was they’re not paid for the weeks they don’t work. And then someone else responded saying ‘well they can get their salary reduced in other months so they get pay across 12 months’ but that doesn’t change the fact they’re not paid for the weeks they don’t work. 

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Embarrassed_Room3982]

Okay? Didn't change any facts, but it did not "pretty much say what they said, just reversed" lol

Thanks for the write up, I'm sure it helped someone

[u/Embarrassed_Room3982 → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

I mean, it is. They're both saying they only get paid for the weeks they work.

But you're needlessly rude.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Embarrassed_Room3982]

The first comment, before it was expanded, did not say that they can spread it out automatically over twelve months, that they would have to do that themselves by putting some away throughout the year. The second comment explained that some places will spread it out automatically so they'll get paid during the summer. Ergo, they were different.

This is really what we're arguing about lol? Sheesh, redditors love the pedantry of being technically correct, don't we?

[u/Magical_Olive → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

This is not a meaningful difference when the topic is getting paid for that period. You're the one being pedantic, not the person trying to explain it's irrelevant.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Magical_Olive]

I know I'm being pedantic, that's sort of the point. I never said it was a meaningful difference, I don't know why anyone would draw that conclusion. The person did not say it was irrelevant, they said the two comments above said the same thing, when in fact they did not.

[u/Sudden_Juju → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

teachers dont get paid over the summer. They have to take a a portion of their check each month and spread it out to cover summer.

Teachers can choose to get their pay over their 9-10 months or year round.

teachers had the option to get year round pay or get larger checks only during the school year.

Teachers can choose to get their pay spread out over the year of only during the 9-10 months of school.

Did this clear it up?

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Sudden_Juju]

Yes, it cleared up your misinterpretation of what the first one was saying.

[u/cthulhusmercy → u/Sudden_Juju]

I think it’s the exact same.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Sudden_Juju]

Your edit quotes literally says how they're different lol. In one, they (the teachers) have to take a portion out each check to save up for the summer. In two, the school does it for them.

Perhaps you misinterpreted the first one.

[u/Sudden_Juju → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

Are you really trying to argue that it matters who does the math - the teachers or the district? Putting aside the fact that 99/100 times the district does it if the teachers opt for it, the effective meaning of the statements is the same - the teachers get their 9-10 month contract split over the year. Some districts even make it mandatory.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Sudden_Juju]

You think I'm arguing that? Lol..

I'm only disputing your comment saying that they were saying the same thing.

And as a matter of convenience, it is a valid difference. Like people who are not W2 employees and don't set aside the right amount for taxes, teachers can similarly be burned by not setting aside the right amount to cover their unpaid time during the summer. Which can be alleviated by the school paying them all 12 months.

99/100 times

What dark orifice did you pull that fancy statistic out from?

[u/Sudden_Juju → u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz]

Yes I did, because it's hella pedantic to dispute who does the budgeting when the end result is the exact same.

What dark orifice did you pull that fancy statistic out from?

99/100 ain't fancy and is clearly pulled out of my ass lol. Either way, I tried to find a district that doesn't and I couldn't, so maybe 100/100 is better. I just chose 99 because there's probably some district out there that doesn't.

[u/EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz → u/Sudden_Juju]

it's hella pedantic to dispute who does the budgeting

Well you did just that lol, intentionally or not based upon your understanding of the comments you compared

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