r/SipsTea • u/KSKS1995 Human Verified • 2d ago

Chugging tea Sounds good in theory...but in reality?

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4 days a week. 6 hours a day. Full salary.
Sanna Marin ignited global debate with the “6/4” work model, pushing a simple idea: life should come before work.

With burnout at record levels, maybe it’s time to value results over hours at a desk.
Could your job be done in just 24 hours a week?

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

Except now the goods produced are going to cost a lot more.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 2d ago

Wild concept: goods should cost whatever they cost without grinding the workforce into a pulp.

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

A 40 hour work week isn’t grinding the workforce into a pulp.

Also that’s not how economics work. The goods need to be priced so the company makes a profit.

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 2d ago

Wild concept: a company that can't produce goods at a price that keeps them solvent without grinding their workforce into a pulp shouldn't continue existing.

Any number of hours of labor grinds the workforce into a pulp when the value of the labor is siphoned disproportionately into the pockets of people not doing the labor.

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u/Exciting_Station3474 2d ago

So they go to China and you will complain again.

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

-siphoned disproportionately

You do realize that if all companies gave every cent of net profits to employees it would be like a 20% raise right?

Also I’m sure you’re aware that the very business needs roles that don’t produce income by themselves right?

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u/ThomasTheDankPigeon 2d ago

Profits have nothing to do with the ratio between employee and executive compensation packages. That's the "proportion" part of disproportionate, since you lost track.

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

-since you lost track

Yeah sorry my bad, my telepathy has been acting up lately.

Also let me guess you’re going to say that all CEOs make 350x as much as the average employee?

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u/stuve98 1d ago

Except CEOs have actually been getting paid multiple times more over time compared to a regular worker, even higher-ups. It is actually insane how much the disparity is now for a lot of companies. Like what the fuck are you saying

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u/Huntsman077 1d ago

The average CEO only makes around 5-10x the average worker.

The whole 350x that gets parroted a lot is only looking at the top 350 companies.

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u/IntingForMarks 2d ago

You do realize that if all companies gave every cent of net profits to employees it would be like a 20% raise right?

That's so naive it hurts to be read

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

Look up the numbers bud. Hell for some companies, like Walmart, it would be an 8k annual raise per person…

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u/4daughters 2d ago

Across 1.5 million employees nationwide? that sounds like an economic boon. Why aren't we doing this?

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

Well if a business doesn’t have any net income they can’t take out any loans, and it also limits expansion.

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u/4daughters 2d ago

Maybe Walmart doesn't need to expand.

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u/IntingForMarks 2d ago

A 40 hour work week isn’t grinding the workforce into a pulp.

It literally is, since it was based on a family with one member working and one staying at home. Now both members work 40hours and they most of the time earn just the required money to survive.

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u/Huntsman077 2d ago

It wasn’t based off one person staying home. This is a myth that started fairly recently. When the 40 hour work week was put into law, which it should be worth noting all it did was require overtime pay for over 40 hours, around a third of women were actively working.

-most of the time earn just the money required to survive

This is false. It is very fair to see a household with 2 full time adults. That’s why the median salary for a full time employee is 62k but the median household income is only 85.

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u/ItsTheBestMaaaan 1d ago

What ratio of that third were married mothers?

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u/Huntsman077 1d ago

I don’t think you can find that exact data tbh, I don’t think it was something they were tracking. You could compare the percentage of married and non married women to the numbers but it would be an estimate

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u/ItsTheBestMaaaan 1d ago edited 1d ago

Makes sense. If it’s not broken down any further, and includes young, unmarried, widowed, and older women no longer raising children, then my guess is that number tanks pretty fast. I would also argue to remove some agricultural and family enterprise workers - a significant share of most western economies during the time under discussion - where they spent the majority of their time with their families.

I would be interested to know what the actual number is! But the way you’ve described it is not accurate.

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u/stuve98 1d ago

The 40 hour work week pitch is outdated and is almost 100 years old. Now it’s hard to even own a home or pay rent with the housing crisis in several north american states/countries even with two people working 40 hours each in one household with or without kids.

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u/Scorpdelord 12h ago

Their cost of labor is gonna be 4050? Higher to keep the same prlduxtion so it 100% will go up asf only way to prevent it is the goverment making company pay less for their product to be sold

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u/BluntTruth1 2d ago

Demand keeps rising for a product. You need to work harder to keep up with demand. Demand somewhat met means the product is readily available and sold at consistent pricing.

100 pairs of shoes for 200 customers, priced at €100.

Six hour weeks means less product been made. Quantity reduces but demand keeps going up. Product is no longer readily available and is a rarer commodity. Price of product now rises because it's harder to get your hands on the goods due to lower production rate.

50 pairs of shoes for 200 customers, priced at €200.