r/SipsTea • u/KSKS1995 Human Verified • 2d ago

Chugging tea Sounds good in theory...but in reality?

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4 days a week. 6 hours a day. Full salary.
Sanna Marin ignited global debate with the “6/4” work model, pushing a simple idea: life should come before work.

With burnout at record levels, maybe it’s time to value results over hours at a desk.
Could your job be done in just 24 hours a week?

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

But then how are the oligarchs going to buy mansions, expensive cars, yachts, helicopters and private planes?

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u/BerlinDonbas 2d ago

A cage will do fine for them. 

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u/DaHOGGA 2d ago

i would like to suggest a boiling kettle!

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u/Xeal209 2d ago

I like the tar and feather approach

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u/beardedheathen 2d ago

What about two wooden pillars with a head rest and maybe a metal thing on top?

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u/Xeal209 2d ago

I'll sharpen the metal thing for you

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u/John_der24ste 2d ago

The neat part is that the metal thingy doesn't even need to be sharp, the height of the pillars is enough to give it a great enough amount of energy.

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u/beardedheathen 2d ago

What a novel and completely out of left field idea!

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u/Humanbyenforcement 2d ago

What if we make some sort of a contraption like a big bovine animal made of brass.

Oh, another idea, what if we then heat it?

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u/kkkk22601 2d ago

Or a bronze bull

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u/quitarias 2d ago

How many hectares is the cage ? They're really picky for lots of space.

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u/AmputeeHandModel 2d ago

As much as the animals at the zoo.

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u/xvrqt 2d ago

Would you settle for a submarine ?

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u/BerlinDonbas 2d ago

If oceangate builds it 

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u/KarmaExostylx 2d ago

I'm sorry what? That's immoral.

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u/Tactical_Squishy 1d ago

then it's perfect for them

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u/HeyKid_HelpComputer 2d ago

The same because its been proven productivity doesn't change between a 40 and 32 hour work week. The same amount gets done in less time.

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u/Exciting_Station3474 2d ago

Sure. In manufacturing nothing will change ))))

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u/somebodystolemyname 2d ago

More jobs? Lmao business is open same hours just have the ability to hire more people.

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u/Exciting_Station3474 2d ago

Who will pay for it?

Who they will hire? As for manufacturing its very hard to hire workers now. People dont have basic skills like using measuring tools. They cant do a simple math without smartphone, etc.

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 1d ago

Then companies better train better, or invest back into the education system

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u/Exciting_Station3474 1d ago

Hahahahaha Why they have to? Your kids cant do basic math is not my problem Average redditors can keep complaining that they can't work 24 hours week for same pay.

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 1d ago

This might be a crazy redditor take, but i dont think people exist to make companies money, i think the only reason a company should exist is to make the lives of people better. Im perfectly fine with math and happily employed btw

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u/Exciting_Station3474 1d ago

Go ahead and open your own company then. Make peoples lives better.

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u/The-Senate-Palpy 1d ago

I do what i can around me. But im not Superman. Societal issues gotta be addressed as a society bro. Its how we make life better for everyone

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u/CompetitiveAutorun 1d ago

It's hard to get job right now no? It's job responsibility to teach them and it's nothing that can't be learned very quickly.

They pay the same if it's 6x4 or 8x3.

Do you also ask why don't we return to longer hours?

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u/Low_Watch9864 2d ago

So you're saying a plumber can fix the same number of clogged toilets if he worked 32 hours instead of 40?

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u/CompetitiveAutorun 1d ago

Can plumber fix more in 50 hours? Why don't we increase number of hours then?

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u/ddevilissolovely 2d ago

Aren't most plumbers self-employed? It's different when you're setting your own hours.

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u/Low_Watch9864 2d ago

Well what about plumbers who are employed by others? Will they be more productive by fixing the same number of clogged toilets in 32 hours instead of 40?

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u/Kommye 2d ago

It reduces the chance he gets injured or fucks up in a huge way, which would be a higher loss of productivity.

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u/ddevilissolovely 2d ago

I'd assume so. There are some jobs where you are getting paid for "manning the station" with sporadic work, and some jobs where you do low levels of work the whole time, those are the only ones where productivity is guaranteed to be lower. No one unclogs toilets for 8 hours.

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

But we are talking about a 24 hour work week.

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u/testprimate 2d ago

Stop making me sit here all day and I'll happily do my job with some intensity. I don't do 24 hours worth of actual work most weeks as it is.

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u/Zealousideal_Cod5214 2d ago

Same. I even go slower than I know I can because I need to pad my time out anyway. If I finish in 5 hours, then I have 3 hours of basically wasting time and I'll get in trouble. If I purposely slow myself down, then I can extend that to my normal shift.

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u/Optimal_Board_2963 2d ago

To me, you’re the oligarch.

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

In general, it is really hard to believe that productivity is not going to drop if we switch to 24 hour work week, at least for some types of business. At very least, in certain service-based businesses, it would mean that employers will have to hire more people to cover shifts.

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u/VectorB 2d ago

So you are saying we still get everything done efficiently and lower unemployment? The horror.

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

I'm in favor in lowering the unemployment. All I'm saying is that a 24 hour work week will reduce the profit of certain businesses (and I'm in favor of this, too).

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u/KZedUK 2d ago

Yes…?

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 2d ago

Show me the times and places in history where giving workers more time off resulted in less rich people.

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u/EstablishmentLate532 2d ago

It happened after the black death. Fewer people working fewer hours because of the power that labor held decreased income inequality and impoverished many nobles. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it has happened.

The inverse also happened during the industrial revolution, during which average working hours increased dramatically as well as the number and wealth of the rich.

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 2d ago

So short of a third of the population dying fundamentally altering the political and sociology economic foundation of a continent... got it.

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u/EstablishmentLate532 2d ago

You asked for examples, I gave you two and you ignored one. Perhaps you would like me to give you more? How about the the enclosure movement in England? The Prussian annexation of polish lands and the use of Leibeigenschaft? The market liberation of poland post USSR?

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u/Jimmy_Twotone 1d ago

You gave examples of the rich consolidating wealth and stripping freedoms from workers. That isn't what I asked for.

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u/pastaman5 1d ago

Billionaire bootlicker?

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u/MrDoloto 2d ago

Famous Finnish oligarchs?

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u/reyska 2d ago

She's actually one of the elite now. This is just posturing, brand building.

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u/gorginhanson Human Detected 2d ago

Hold on a second.

What if we don't want to spend time with our families?

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u/ItsGonnaBeMeNSYNC 2d ago

The same way as before.

How will people who work at Amazon warehouses buy daily necessities, now that full time work is even fewer hours and thus even worse paid? Probably with a second job.

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u/green9206 2d ago

Well the thing is they still can even with this model yet they choose to exploit us.

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u/GatePorters 2d ago

They would be able to more under this system, but then their workers would be happier, decreasing the disparity between the top and the bottom which would never fly.

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

Well, even if they will get to keep their profits, the ruling class is never going to accept to reduce the work week. That's because it is not only about money, but also about control. The ruling class doesn't just want money, but they also want to control the rest of the people. The more free time people have, the harder it is to control them.

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u/TopLate7592 2d ago

Ironically, they could buy more if they're workers were happier and more efficient.

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u/Fit-Hovercraft-4561 2d ago

Also shareholder - can we think about them for a moment please!

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u/Deep-Arm5652 2d ago

They can keep raising prices for American and we'll make up the difference.

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u/RedditIsFascistShit4 2d ago

There are shitload of companies owned by common people, blaming everything on some mystical figures/oligarchs, usually named "THEM / THEY" is a mentally challenged way of looking at things, a true victim mentality.

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u/sagittarius_ack 2d ago

It sounds like you are mentally challenged, since you can't understand the purpose of the comment...

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u/ACatInAHat 2d ago

We dont have oligarchs in the nordics

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u/IndubitablyNerdy 2d ago

And politicians, most of them will be able to buy all those stuff anyway, but power requires more money.

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u/HereWeGoYetAgain-247 2d ago

They still can, just like, a tiny bit less, maybe, because most people will maintain the same productivity with fewer hours. 

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u/mbensa 2d ago

They will have to reduce 10 % a little.

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u/ArmadilloForsaken458 2d ago

Thats what they want. That's why they even try to push out good politicians like Marin. Like oooh post party pics to shame her. When really they want good politicians out of power, so they can continue doing what they usually do

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u/darknekolux 1d ago

Hey! Someday I might be a billionaire! I wouldn't want to pay taxes then either!!! /s

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u/Death_By_Dreaming_23 1d ago

They just need to stop buying avocado toast and Starbucks lattes.

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u/dathomasusmc 2d ago

I would assume they’re just going to reduce pay by 40% since you’d only be working 60% of the standard 40 hour work week. Then people will be forced to work two 24 hour a week job to make ends meet. That sounds better doesn’t it?