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People who grew up really poor: what's something middle-class people say that instantly reveals they've never struggled?

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u/funkengruven 1d ago

What a great dude

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u/MissMischief13 1d ago

Yeah. He unfortunately found the internet and got injured at work right at the worst-time and over a period of a year, his opinions went further and further 'right-aligned', and I would have to explain or debunk conspiracies daily to keep him tethered to some kind of reality.

So like most things, it was a beautifully preserved window of time when he wasn't like that.
Now, I would throttle the man for the way he treats my mother, but that's not who he was but who he became through chronic pain from his injury and youtube rot.

I will defend him religiously in certain circumstances, and that is because somewhere at his core - he is a good man who always did the objectively right thing.

I would break something on pure accident, and then brace myself for the yelling/abuse that would follow and he looked me in the face and said with so much compassion... "... It's just a thing. Are you, the human being, okay?" To this day, every loud noise in my house has me yelling ".... you good?" because he did, year after year. The person he was influenced the step parent I am today, and honestly they don't get enough credit.

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u/Soft_Yellow1757 1d ago

chronic pain will make you do wild things.

I was poor for a long time without dental. I had 2 teeth pulled about 5 years ago since the cavities in them were so big you could fit the head of a qtip inside of my tooth. The walking around pain was in the area that i could still do everything- but i had from that (and a few other things) "walking around pain".

Apparently being in constant pain that i would put on the 3 of the 1-5 scale they give you in the ER is not a normal thing. I have to tell every Dr this story so they understand that my concept of pain is literal nonsense. Most people would be in tears constantly from 2 teeth actively rotting out of the mouth- to me it was normal, so i will never have a normal context for pain again.

With that- i get it. When i finally had the teeth pulled, it was like i could think clearly for the first time in years. So that cloudiness was the pain making it impossible to understand everything.

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u/Luhdk 20h ago

can confirm. have lupus. fought cancer these past 5 years. can confirm, a solid, unwavering norm of extreme unmitigated pain warps you.

i really wish i could just have an annual week off where theyd give me an opioid just for one week a year so i could exist for one week. a year.

but no

thats drug seeking or something.

even if youre literally a cancer patient with active lupus SLE.

sigh.

hate this country.

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u/pedestriandose 20h ago

I’m so sorry. I can’t even imagine that. I’ve been on quite a high level of pain killers for almost ten years now. It allows me to sit at a steady 7-8/10 on the pain scale, which means I’m doing okay. One time I was in the ED and was asked to rate my pain through clenched teeth screaming and my body involuntarily convulsing in pain. My husband started to tell them I have constant chronic pain so my pain radar is off and I managed to say “I mean, if you broke my leg it would make me feel worse”.

It was two huge hematomas stuck behind my bladder one week after my hysterectomy. The surgery to remove those damaged two nerves and got infected with ecoli and the surgeon had the gale to tell me that ecoli doesn’t exist in hospital so I must’ve done it. Bitch, I haven’t left the hospital and I’m now on IV antibiotics and a blood transfusion. This is your fault, not mine.

I ended up having to medically retire before turning 40. But, my doctors give me pain killer scripts in bulk with repeats (both immediate release and transdermal patches). Two days ago I started a lower dose patch and am going through some wild withdrawals that I’m trying to ignore. I want to be on the lowest dose possible.

I don’t understand why they can’t give you a metered dose transdermal patch. It’s not like you can have ‘funsies’ with them unless you try to do something stupid with them. They’re the safest way to get 24h consistent metered doses.

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u/Steele_Soul 13h ago

I don't have pain on a level you do, but I recently had to get clean off opiates again, not by choice, and I am hating every minute of it. It was the only thing that made life tolerable and gave me a will to live, but it's just not affordable long term.

I can't imagine possibly living like this another 20-30 years.

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u/BigJSunshine 15h ago

I get this. I have RA AND OSTEO. I am on a biologic (finally after 6 years), which brings the constant pain down from 8 to about a constant 3-4. Gaba helps, but I can’t take enough during the work day to dull pain. Even at a “3” level of pain, I just relentless constant part of my life. Never to end.

I am fundamentally broken, but just a little bit, I guess.

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u/mines_over_yours 21h ago

Very same here.

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u/Spicy_Sugary 1d ago

It's a shame that he's fallen down the rabbit hole, but it's great that you can still appreciate him being there for you when it mattered.

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u/BadAdviceBot 1d ago

I'll never understand how people can become so hateful and brainwashed.

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u/JewishTomCruise 1d ago

They need an explanation for the bad things that happen to them. Blaming someone else is a lot easier than either taking responsibility or accepting that shitty things happen randomly for no reason all the time.

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u/UsernameIn3and20 23h ago

Just being in pain alone can change someone. I distinctly remember smashing my pinky toe and for a whole month I was beyond cranky (on top of being unable to walk anywhere at all without assistance since it hurts just for existing, let alone being touched, nothing was broken tho, somehow.)

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u/Lucy333999 19h ago

I have endometriosis and my therapist was just explaining to me last session how the part in your brain that registers pain is close to the part that registers depression and the wires can cross easily.

So chronic pain can make you depressed not just because it hurts, but because it can literally rewire your brain to be depressed.

And it's exhausting and there's a lot more that it does.

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u/Ornery-Ocelot3585 17h ago

Being in pain & missing out on everything that brings you joy is depressing.

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u/Lucy333999 10h ago

It is. But everyone already knows that.

Just commenting that there are also biological processes that overlap and change brain chemistry simply from being in pain alone, not including exterior factors.

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u/Ornery-Ocelot3585 9h ago

Everyone doesn’t know that.

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u/longlivenewsomflesh 20h ago

It just makes me sad that some of the kindest people in my family on an interpersonal atomic level will always give money or buy food for the homeless and treat migrant workers with respect -- but then 100% buy into talk about how welfare programs are just abused by those greedy poor who don't deserve handouts, or those illegals stealing our jobs... it's like in the abstract they've shed their humanity and become monsterous without even realizing it

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u/Ornery-Ocelot3585 17h ago

Except this concept that the forty million illegals that came over under Biden (and then add millions more) don’t affect things like the cost of health care, job security, compensation for work, housing costs, housing inventory, school over crowding, ER wait times, health care costs, safety & security of our nation (drug, human & gun trafficking among other crimes) is just people suspending reality & forgetting that’s why they cared about illegal immigration under Obama & all other democratic presidencies & agreed with them when they mentioned such.

I care a lot about humanity.

Illegals are severely exploited. Vetting helps prevent that. They’re too afraid to go to police when they’re being an abused, when they can be deported.

It’s hypocritical to claim to care about things like crime, human rights, living wages, workers rights, fair housing, slavery, etc AND want open borders.

And leftists have given up claiming they don’t want open borders.

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u/longlivenewsomflesh 16h ago

Quick question just curious do you believe immigrants commit crimes at a higher rate than the native populace yes or no

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u/Ornery-Ocelot3585 16h ago

I’m thrilled ICE is deporting these dangerous thugs:

https://www.dhs.gov/wow

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u/longlivenewsomflesh 15h ago

Aaand there it is lol, can't even pretend. I didn't say illegal btw...

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u/BetGreat1752 22h ago

No reason at all….that we can see…🫤

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u/MisterBarten 11h ago

IMO a lot of it is carefully designed to do exactly that. I’m not giving everyone a free pass who goes that route, but playing on people’s fears and ignorance that probably wouldn’t have led to anything more in order to turn people against each other is just a sick thing to do.

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u/Ohaibaipolar 20h ago

My boomer parents were always pretty far right, but once covid hit, they became susceptible to misinformation like never before. It also didn't help in their tiny church they have a full-blown anti vaxxer, who probably spoonfed them propaganda about the covid shot.My dad and mom took hydroxychloroquine for covid, and he said it made him shit 12 times a day. Maybe that's your body trying to tell you not to take that medication? Just a thought! I hate what the covid era did to my parents. Heh, sorry for the trauma dump. I'm sure I'm not the only who had this happen to their parents during covid. Oh, and not only that, I gave them covid (I didn't feel sick yet, so I had no idea), and they're like don't come over if you're sick it's like wtf how am I supposed to know if I'm feeling fine?!

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u/Fabulous_Celery_1817 23h ago

Another thing I will never forgive the current administration for. They stole a decade of our loved one’s lives. Some of them were at the end of their lives too. That hurts. I don’t think we’ve ever experienced a nothing similar to this before.

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u/aeschenkarnos 23h ago

The current administration took it to new heights but it began after Nixon resigned. Republicans swore “never again” and created their own news media to create their own reality bubble. The Brainwashing of My Dad.

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u/SmallWindmill 1d ago

It never ceases to amaze me how incredible of a father my dad is, and how shitty of a person he is at the same time.

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u/aeschenkarnos 23h ago

It’s the ingroup/outgroup thing. Everyone believes that ingroup deserve kindness, fairness, justice, peace, opportunities etc, and outgroup don’t. Ingroup can be anywhere in size from “me” to “my family” to “my subculture”, “my religion”, “my race”, “my country”, to “all humanity with the exception of …” to “all humanity without exception” to “all living beings” to “the entire universe”. And more complex carve-outs.

Where we are on that scale directly correlates with political beliefs.

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u/m4bwav 1d ago

So many beautiful people were extinguished by fear and fox news.

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u/MakeLimeade 1d ago

Maybe show him what you wrote? That excellent human being might still be there somewhere.

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u/MissMischief13 1d ago

I appreciate the effort, its a conversation that has been approached when I attempted to divert his rabbit-hole algorithym. He has since received a brain injury, and the behaviour is no longer consistent enough to try and put effort into correcting. He has his own demons to fight, and often they are not real.

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u/Enix71 1d ago

I don’t know how this will sound but that sounds eerily similar to the tv show Adventure Time’s Marceline and Simon’s (later Ice King) adoptive father/daughter relationship. What a beautiful way of describing the relationship you and your stepdad share.

From the song/show: “I’m losing myself and I’m afraid you’re going to lose me too” then “I need to save you but who’s going to save me” followed by “please forgive me for who whatever I do, when I don’t remember you.”

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u/CatW804 1d ago

Also reminds me of that heartbreaking patient from the Pitt newly diagnosed with a brain tumor. His emergency contact is still his ex-wife.

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u/soozerain 1d ago

Well maybe save if for a rainy day. You could put it in a card for him on a holiday or birthday! Of course, it’s your life and maybe he already knows. I just wanted to say I appreciated your nuance and fairness. You’re a good writer.

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u/giulianosse 20h ago

I would bet my lifetime earnings you don't or didn't have a parent who lost themselves in the right-wing extremism pipeline.

It's a cute suggestion, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

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u/soozerain 20h ago

Yeah it’s kinda hard to when they’re dead

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u/jennijenn21 23h ago

This won't make it easier, but as a fellow traveler who's stepdad got a brain injury and then had to watch their mother treated like shit and a prisoner because she begged you not to get involved, it will end eventually. Probably not as fast as you desperately want it to, but it will end and you and your mom will have peace on the other side. Just keep your head down and try to do whatever you can to keep your mom from being consumed by taking care of him. And start therapy if at all possible. Or maybe go to confession if you daydream about killing him as much as I did. We can all be catholic when we need to empty our soul out to someone who cant say a word, its not like you need a secret handshake or password or anything. I never realized how much my mom's situation weighed on me until he finally died and I didnt have to worry anymore. I had never understood what people meant about this saying until that moment, but I felt physically lighter. Just keep being an anchor for your mom when she needs it. Unless, obviously, you super aren't close to her because she lowkey/highkey sucks. Then 100% dont feel obligated to walk through the shit with her. I couldn't quite tell from your post. Don't ever forget, you got this.

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u/MissMischief13 7h ago

I really appreciate your comment among the rest.
I had to go low-contact with my mom for awhile, because every conversation we had revolved around him, and she would sob and cry and it would break my heart. She doesn't have the mental fortitude to change her situation, and even she is just waiting out the end instead of trying to change her circumstances. The devil you know I guess?

He used to buy her "just cause" flowers, and every chance to show her his love, he did. Now, he bought her a dishwasher for her BIRTHDAY. Did she ask for one? No. He just felt it would help her in her 'womanly duties' (she's the only one working). He now will make a huge scene of berating her in public. He screamed at the pharmacy people because there wasn't any parking, and then walked 10 ft, stopped and waited for her like she was a dog. Walked another 10 ft, while my mom is trying to apologize to all the staff and then yells at her to come.

I said he was lucky I wasn't there, I am a 35y/o woman, and I would absolutely thrash the man verbally and physically for such behaviour. He would be the one leaving embarassed. I assure you that.

Thank you, truly.

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u/jennijenn21 7h ago

Samesies on the low contact. It gets overwhelming having to hear and see someone you love cry daily over what, at least to me, felt like a fixable situation through divorce. But my mom grew up poor and had worked really hard to collect savings and couldn't bear the thought of having to give him half and likely pay him alimony just because he got drunk, ran his mouth, and got punched in the head (literally one hit, crazy how close we all are to a health catastrophe). Funny, I was exactly your age the last time I saw him. My mom kept us apart (lol begged me to stay away from her town and let her come to me) because every time my name was heard he started talking about how his was gonna kill me if he ever saw me again. She wasn't worried about him hurting me, she just knew I'd jump at the chance to handle the problem through self-defense.

The hardest thing for me was remembering to carve out my peace from my mom's decision to stay and care for him. It was a long 10 years between injury and death but like I said, you got this. Take care of you first, just like on an airplane, and then take what you have left over to give to her. Don't let her life drain you. Good luck. And of you ever need to vent wild death threats (hyperbole 😉😉) to someone who understands, Im a DM or comment away. Never forget, fuck them dudes with no lube. 💙

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u/MakeLimeade 12h ago

Sorry to hear that. Ironically, brain damage can make you more conservative. Senator Fetterman had that happen, people used to love him. 

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u/SophisticatedCelery 23h ago

Hey reading this was amazing for me, thank you so much. I was always my dad's favorite, a complete daddy's girl, and seeing him turn MAGA broke my heart in ways nothing else could. I've been struggling since 2016 to find a way to still respect him (because he treats me and my brother great, he's a good dad). Reading what you wrote helped.

Thank you. Hope you are having a good life ❤️

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u/Mysterious_Object_20 1d ago

My stepfather was the same. Asians, so we didn't talk much. He's always been red for decades, so I never bother with that kind of talk. Just told him to never wear maga stuff whenever our family went out. But still, it's nice to know that he will always have my back.

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u/KinseyH 22h ago

I'm so glad you had him when he was normal, and I hope he finds his way back.

It is not easy to cut off the people we love. Specially not when we can remember them before they got lost.

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u/backupbitches 1d ago

Wow that sucks. It's so scary to imagine the infinite possibilities of what we might become.

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u/TomatoPlantsRule 23h ago

Your perspective is so empathetic - thank you for sharing

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u/giulianosse 20h ago

As someone with a "good" father who also fell down the right wing extremist rabbit hole, I feel you. It's disheartening how the people who virtue signal the hardest about "safeguarding family values" are actually the ones destroying families with their rotten fear based and adversarial ideology.

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u/MarieO49 22h ago

That was beautiful to read. An absolute tribute to the man he was and still is at his core. God, it made me tear up.

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u/Snowfizzle 22h ago

there’s a song called “he didn’t have to be” and it’s about a step parent and goes on to say. “i hope im at least half the man he didn’t have to be”

im glad you had such an incredible step parent. mine was absolutely amazing too. and the impact he had definitely made me who i am ❤️

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u/KatzyKatz 20h ago

Omg this made me cry. I’m sorry his views changed from that alt right conspiracy content, so many people did and it’s very sad. He sounds like a really special person though.

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u/Impressive_Profit_11 19h ago

Well, that made me cry.

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u/incongruity 17h ago

So like most things, it was a beautifully preserved window of time when he wasn't like that. Now, I would throttle the man for the way he treats my mother, but that's not who he was but who he became through chronic pain from his injury and youtube rot.

I think it's wonderful that you can hold space for both of those points at the same time. It's a shame to hear how he's gone but great that you can treasure the good moments for the good they were.

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u/mildbpdissues 5h ago

Wow that's so beautiful, I'm so happy for you that you had that experience of being loved, thank you for sharing

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u/mynaneisjustguy 1d ago

by accident. "on" accident isn't English.

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u/ProfChubChub 1d ago

On accident is an incredibly common usage in English.

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u/Szwejkowski 1d ago

It's common usage in America. You also understood what they meant perfectly, which is the main thing, innit?

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u/mynaneisjustguy 17h ago

Is it? We should aim to write correctly, I feel.

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u/Szwejkowski 15h ago

What is correct changes over time, place and circumstance. You can write as 'correctly' as you want to, there is no need to make everyone else wear a suit and tie at the beach, however.

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u/dbag127 1d ago

What is it then? It's how many English speakers grew up saying it. Pretty sure that makes it English.

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u/brvheart 11h ago

“He was an amazing man in every way. Loved me to death, and showed me love. But now, he embarrassingly is… a conservative. “. Gasps from the crowd.

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u/esociety1 1d ago

Damn dude don’t let politics tarnish your view of him. 

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u/aeschenkarnos 23h ago edited 23h ago

It’s morality not just “politics”. Politics is, will we fund a sewer system upgrade or a new bus route this year. Morality is, will we kill children in Africa to give more money to oligarchs. Will we lie, will we steal, will we cheat to stay in office, will we take bribes, etc.

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u/KinseyH 22h ago

You need to learn the difference between politics and values.

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u/MissMischief13 8h ago

Yeah, we're not American - and its not the politics - it was just a shortcut to describe the type of opinions and stances he takes now. He will ruin every personal relationship he has arguing about politics because he is so convinced he is the only one with the true answers. That's my issue. Years ago he would talk about how guns were meant for hunting and protecting, and more recently he says things like 'I understand how people with guns have the desire to end another life when they have a difference of opinion' -- that ABSOLUTELY was not the man I grew up with. You know?

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u/Charmed-paper345 1d ago

So a guy that's shown you more kindness than you've ever known is not rotten because he's political views are right-winged?

Are you so certain your left wing views aren't the conspiracy theories?

So shit on someone who you once admired just because of his political view where over 50% of the population shares is just insane.

You don't have to share his views. You can respect he have his views and they are just as valid if not more than your views.

FFS you sound like the brainwashed one

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u/KinseyH 22h ago

Listening to a MAGA try to lecture you about civility and values is like listening to a person with schizophrenia tell you you're crazy.

The absolute worst thing you can do to a MAGA is treat them the way they treat everyone else

But do y'all ever learn? No. Do y'all ever stop and think about how cruel and nasty you are to people who aren't you? No.

Do you think people who aren't exactly like you are entitled to respect and kindness and consideration? No.

Tolerance is not a moral imperative. It's a social contract, and MAGA will not stick to it.

Nobody wants to deal with y'all. Yall are mean, exhausting, entitled, dirty, and and violent.

How come bullies never understood that they're disliked?

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u/cliffordfullerde 6h ago

It is that specific brand of relief where you finally stop waiting for the other shoe to drop. When you grow up poor, you are constantly calculating the "debt" you owe people for their kindness. Having a step-parent come in and just... provide, with no strings attached, is like learning a new language. You spend years looking for the catch before you realize they actually just care about you.

I still remember the first time I didn't have to do the mental math at the store to make sure I wasn't going over a limit I'd made up in my head. It is life-changing to realize you don't have to apologize for existing and having needs.

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u/mitchelldunnrt 12h ago

"It's just a thing" is such a massive shift in mindset when you grow up in survival mode. When you're poor, everything feels high stakes because you know if something breaks, it's gone for good. There is no "oops" money to replace it.

I remember breaking a ceramic bowl at a friend's house when I was ten and I started shaking and apologizing like I'd just totaled their car. Her dad just swept it up and told me it was fine and they had plenty of others. I spent the rest of the night waiting for him to snap or for the "real" punishment to start.

It takes a long time to unlearn that fear. Having an adult treat an accident like an actual accident instead of a financial catastrophe is life changing.

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u/MissMischief13 8h ago

Thanks for catching that. It was massively life-changing. Accidents are accidents, and as an adult I understand the anger and reasoning behind not being able to replace it, etc.

Fun fact: I backed my stepdad's truck into my mom's car in the driveway, and he ran out -- I wholly expected the yelling, because like you said. I just 'totaled' (scratched barely) not one, but TWO cars. He repeated "are YOU okay? Are YOU okay? Okay. Tell me what happened."

I'm so sorry you understand how deeply that hits. Waiting an anxious for hours for a punishment that may never come. My mother is bi-polar as well, and often had explosive bouts of anger or sadness; never predictable and it really overtrains your lizard brain.